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- transgender@lemmy.ml
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- lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
- transgender@lemmy.ml
Tennessee has recently passed a bill, effective July 1st 2024, declaring it a class-C felony to “recruit, harbor, or transport an unemancipated minor within this state” for transgender healthcare procedures, carrying a sentence of 3-15 years in prison. This applies over state lines and states that do not have anti-extradition laws relating to trans rights can extradite you to Tennessee.
Notably: the bill is vague. This means: telling stories of your own transition, describing your healthcare experiences to an open group chat, describing your trans experiences on a public website, creating trans health guides online, describing how you have gotten DIY HRT, describing anything to do with trans healthcare, even as a cis person, can result in a class-C felony conviction.
Given that being arrested in any capacity for transgender people can be an incredibly dangerous experience (CW: SV), I strongly suggest you begin caring about opsec, stop referring to where you live, use VPNs, stop using apps like Discord, and stop using social media sites that track your IP or user agent fingerprint while unprotected. Remember that for a bill like this to be challenged in court, you have to be arrested first.
Will discuss creating / linking to a transgender matrix chat so that we can help people to move off of things like discord.
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For anyone curious, here’s the bill in question: https://publications.tnsosfiles.com/acts/113/pub/pc1064.pdf
Apparently they dropped it being a felony in final version of the bill, it is now a cause for civil liability to “intentionally recruit, harbor, or transport an unemancipated minor within this state for the purpose of receiving a prohibited medical procedure under this chapter, regardless of where the medical procedure is to be procured.” There are exceptions cut out for common carriers, the minor’s parents or guardians, and anyone designated by the minor’s parents or guardians and the civil action can only be initiated by the minor’s parents or guardians.
I’m curious what counts as “recruiting” kids for trans health care.
My current strategy of “stick to the safe states” is starting to feel shakier and shakier.
I’m fuckin scared yo.
It’s only a matter before a red state tries to extradite a trans person from safe state, which will comply in the spirit of bipartisanship. Or maybe they won’t, in which case it will go to the Supreme Court which will rule just the way you expect them to. Fuck this depraved country
This will become a new form of swatting. A group like kiwi farms picks a target, collects their online statements, then sics the law on them.
I know this is serious, but I eagerly await Biden’s response. He cares about trans rights, doesn’t he?
Sooo… I could be prosecuted for being a mod?
Okay so we need to secure Michigan and Wisconsin, then break away with Minnesota and Illinois to form the Great Lakes Protectorate.
Sorry it’s called the Great Lakes People’s Republic. I have been irl shitposting about it too much to accept another name.
Please god I just want this
We can recruit Wisconcom for the military of our new republic
For one-to-one comms Signal is easier to get started with. Matrix requires a hosting service (or just reliance on the main matrix.org instance), or trust in a server administrator to run one. But it is good software. But unfortunately for group chat it’s not as easy to get started as Discord, due to the encrypted nature of Matrix. But Discord shouldn’t be considered secure or private, not really. It’s just more proprietary spyware, at the end of the day.
Certainly, no matter what, no SMS.
Didn’t Signal recently get outed as having a back door?
Honestly, as long as you’re using a phone, you’re at risk. As LLMs becomes more portable it’s just a matter of time before our own phones will narc on us. Most of them already have some sort of ocr /image describer process happening on our photo rolls.
I think that’s where threat modeling comes in. Unfortunately, if you’re threat modeling against the US government, you’re mostly relying on the laziness and ineptitude of some random LEO to not follow through on looking into you further. You can absolutely make things better, but if you get a target on your back you’re fucked. There’s a reason Snowden’s in Russia.
Signal is incredibly dangerous, it’s a US hosted and domiciled company, and they have a legal obligation to forward anything they know about you to the federal government if asked.
I wouldn’t knock it until I learn of a situation where Signal handed data over to the government that wasn’t encrypted mishmash or derived from side-channel that wasn’t specifically related to Signal (the app or the protocol) itself. I do fully agree, however, that a phone number as a registration ID is bad.
But as it stands I don’t consider the point that it’s located in the USA to be fully incriminating. Just as I don’t find it a problem that Matrix and Vector Creations were an offshoot from an Israeli tech company*. The protocol, and how it functions, are what matters.
*And yes, the major caveat here is that you can inspect and run the Matrix server code (Synapse or Dendrite), but not the Signal server code.
Read the section on NSL’s (national security letters) in the link above. Any US domiciled company must give up it’s data when asked, and it’s illegal for them to tell their users they were forced to do so. The Obama regime admitted to issuing 60 of these every single day, there’s no way Signal isn’t compromised.
Matrix doesn’t need to be hosted in the US, so they don’t have that problem. Using any US-hosted service is a big no-no.
Anyone know if matrix servers are still secure?
As long as it’s not hosted in the US, yes. And anyone can self-host one.
uhhh if you live in the US then isn’t self hosting dangerous then?
Most self-hosters don’t actually host on their home computers, they rent a server called a VPS for a few dollars a month, and these can be anywhere in the world.
Do we know of any Russian or Chinese VPS companies that would be unlikely to comply with US requests given the whole second Cold War thing?
Chinese would probably be safer because of Russia’s anti-lgbt laws
There’s probably lots of other countries that would be good too, I’m just a dumb American bad at geography
Any country outside the 14 eyes should be good.
Wouldn’t it basically have to be any country outside of NATO?
I disagree with the idea that people should be so overcautious as to only communicate the ideas they support or share in closed, secure, completely anonymized spaces. Generally speaking, it is my belief that overzealous Left-wing security culture does more to harm the movement in the long run than help it.
How and what you choose to communicate is a personal decision, and you should make your own threat assessment to decide what to do. It’s important to protect yourself. It’s also important not to so easily allow ourselves and our beliefs to be siloed off to private corners of the Internet and not expressed openly in public.
I’m a junior member of the PSL and this is their party line. Use your real name, don’t hide your face, tell people exactly what you believe and who you are, if it is at all feasible for you to do so. The more people brazenly and publicly oppose the Capitalist order, the better. I don’t share my real name on the Internet because I don’t want groypers harassing me, but I have zero fear of fascists breaking down my door and killing me in my home. This sort of thing is exceedingly rare and, if it did happen, I would die a martyr.
Getting arrested as a trans person means you have a high chance of being put into the wrong jail cell. Rates of violence against trans women in jail are astronomical. How you do not comprehend this is beyond me.
I do understand it. People should make their own personal threat assessments when deciding how private and secure to be with online and public communications.
What I’m pushing back against is not people making a personal decision to be more private and secure, which is their right; what I’m pushing back against is the insistence that queer and leftist people and groups should constantly be hiding themselves and their ideals away from the public at large.
I can make an analogy to something told to me by a Union representative: if you are worried about retaliation for support for the union, the best way to protect yourself is not to distance yourself or hide your affiliations; it’s to loudly and proudly support the union, so they have a better case to claim your firing was retaliatory.
All revolutionary left-wing politics are inherently escalatory. You bait the oppressors into overstepping their bounds and giving people an excuse to be outraged. It’s any one person’s right to choose not to participate, and I won’t hold it against them, but I believe it is unwise to recommend that the community at large hides itself away in anonymity. Our strength is in numbers, organization, and solidarity.
what I’m pushing back against is the insistence that queer and leftist people and groups should constantly be hiding themselves and their ideals away from the public at large.
no one is arguing for that though. it’s just a psa
I believe it is unwise to recommend that the community at large hides itself away in anonymity
Just to be sure, you are trans yourself, right? I’m trying to figure out which community youre referring to
Yeah it isn’t like being a communist where you can just shut up in jail and have no repercussions from other inmates. If you’re trans in prison you either have to just sit with dysphoria in prison or be horrifically abused for being out.
I’d also like to point out the very high profile case of Chelsea Manning. She was considered to be in such danger in prison due to being trans that solitary confinement, a known torture method, was safer than being in general pop by the wardens.
The link I posted in the main article was of a trans woman being sent to a county jail and abused was for a traffic offense, even.
While you certainly have a point, I would rather myself and anyone I know be arrested for actually organizing a trans militia rather than a r/traaaa shitpost
So, if I live in a non-explicitly-transphobic state, can I be extradited to Tennesee for say, posting advice about HRT online, even though I’ve never been to or directly interacted with anyone in Tennessee?
Fugitive Trans Act of 2025
If a minor from Tennessee reads it, it’s possible if it’s not on that map. I’m sure some psychoes might use their kids to try to mess with trans people in this way
Technically if you ever travel to one of the bad states you could also be extradited. Only 14 states have protection
What the fuck, isn’t that unconstitutional?
there’s no point asking that question, the supreme court just does the mental gymnastics necessary to make something constitutional or not.
US Supreme Court ruled back in 2022 that migrants can be detained indefinitely
It don’t matter
What the fuck
That’s old hat now
In an 8-1 ruling, Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that the Immigration and Nationality Act does not require immigration judges to hold bond hearings after six months to determine if a non-citizen should be released while their case proceeds or is a flight risk or danger to the community. Agreeing with the Biden administration, Sotomayor said there was “no plausible construction of the text” of the statute that would mandate the government provide for such bond hearings and that the law did not even hint at such a requirement.
In a separate decision, the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that federal district courts lack the authority to issue injunctions to force the government to release immigrants after 180 days without a bond hearing on a class-wide basis.
The decision reversed the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which upheld decisions by judges in California and Washington barring the government from detaining immigrants without bond headings after 180 days.
I don’t think I need to tell you what the aggregate meaning of those two decisions is
Fascism doesn’t care, and the supreme court is full of em.
