- cross-posted to:
- lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
- transgender@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- lgbtq_plus@lemmy.blahaj.zone
- transgender@lemmy.ml
Tennessee has recently passed a bill, effective July 1st 2024, declaring it a class-C felony to “recruit, harbor, or transport an unemancipated minor within this state” for transgender healthcare procedures, carrying a sentence of 3-15 years in prison. This applies over state lines and states that do not have anti-extradition laws relating to trans rights can extradite you to Tennessee.
Notably: the bill is vague. This means: telling stories of your own transition, describing your healthcare experiences to an open group chat, describing your trans experiences on a public website, creating trans health guides online, describing how you have gotten DIY HRT, describing anything to do with trans healthcare, even as a cis person, can result in a class-C felony conviction.
Given that being arrested in any capacity for transgender people can be an incredibly dangerous experience (CW: SV), I strongly suggest you begin caring about opsec, stop referring to where you live, use VPNs, stop using apps like Discord, and stop using social media sites that track your IP or user agent fingerprint while unprotected. Remember that for a bill like this to be challenged in court, you have to be arrested first.
Will discuss creating / linking to a transgender matrix chat so that we can help people to move off of things like discord.
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My current strategy of “stick to the safe states” is starting to feel shakier and shakier.
I’m fuckin scared yo.
It’s only a matter before a red state tries to extradite a trans person from safe state, which will comply in the spirit of bipartisanship. Or maybe they won’t, in which case it will go to the Supreme Court which will rule just the way you expect them to. Fuck this depraved country
I know this is serious, but I eagerly await Biden’s response. He cares about trans rights, doesn’t he?
He hasn’t said jack shit while trans and their allies are systemically incriminated across the country, hexs too busy comittng multiple genocides. He hears you. He sees you. He just Does Not Care.
i don’t even have words for this one other than
. shit’s getting worse, the dems will refuse to do anything, and unless some serious left wing labor/political org can get formed real fast real quick then there’s basically nothing we can do about itGod damn America, that’s in the bible
To be fair, we need to be forming that serious leftist org asap for a billion other reasons but yes, I tried to get libs to care about trans rights beyond tokenizing us when I was in DSA and a lot of cis people still don’t get it
Maybe cross post this onto blahaj zone (even though some of the users are weird pissy freaks about hexbears posting there, it’s probably important enough to get them aware of this and stuff)
Sooo… I could be prosecuted for being a mod?
probably, or just posting anywhere really
“Your content can be seen in Tennessee. Guilty!”
At this point they’ll try to extradite international posters for existing while trans
For anyone curious, here’s the bill in question: https://publications.tnsosfiles.com/acts/113/pub/pc1064.pdf
Apparently they dropped it being a felony in final version of the bill, it is now a cause for civil liability to “intentionally recruit, harbor, or transport an unemancipated minor within this state for the purpose of receiving a prohibited medical procedure under this chapter, regardless of where the medical procedure is to be procured.” There are exceptions cut out for common carriers, the minor’s parents or guardians, and anyone designated by the minor’s parents or guardians and the civil action can only be initiated by the minor’s parents or guardians.
I’m curious what counts as “recruiting” kids for trans health care.
This will become a new form of swatting. A group like kiwi farms picks a target, collects their online statements, then sics the law on them.
we gotta be more secretive than ISIS online because transphobes are madThis applies over state lines and states that do not have anti-extradition laws relating to trans rights can extradite you to Tennessee.
Is there a place where I can check which states do/don’t have said laws? or is that included in that first map you posted?
my advice would be do not count on any state protecting you. Do your best to protect yourself and those around you first. Even in those states with good laws, there is no guarantee they will cover things like: actions committed in another state, actions taken as a third party (not doctor or patient) to facilitate trans care, actions facilitating DIY HRT (could probably be treated as drug trafficking), etc.
But yeah I think that first map more or less lines up with the anti-extradition/anti-subpoena type laws that are on the books.
in addition: states with good laws are only that way as long as the Democrats, the party addicted to shooting off its own dick all the time, can remain in power. I live in MO. We were considered the bellwether state in terms of electoral politics but post-Obama, we are now one of the reddest states in the country. This can happen to any of y’all bc the Democrats are incompetent and evil.
see also: Wisconsin
I wonder if that state democratic party is gutted like ours is. that’s part of what drives me crazy about the election cycle, the libs keep yelling at me like we can flip the state blue with no party infrastructure and a centrist genocider at the top of the ballot. lol I’m writing myself in for governor
I couldn’t tell you. WI did elect a dem governor (because statewide races can’t be gerrymandered like they did all the districts), but I don’t know if that was an outgrowth of an organized state party or just resentment against like 10 straight years of republican rule, esp. in the more populous cities
first map
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Fugitive Trans Act of 2025
If a minor from Tennessee reads it, it’s possible if it’s not on that map. I’m sure some psychoes might use their kids to try to mess with trans people in this way
Technically if you ever travel to one of the bad states you could also be extradited. Only 14 states have protection
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there’s no point asking that question, the supreme court just does the mental gymnastics necessary to make something constitutional or not.
Fascism doesn’t care, and the supreme court is full of em.
US Supreme Court ruled back in 2022 that migrants can be detained indefinitely
It don’t matter
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That’s old hat now
In an 8-1 ruling, Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote that the Immigration and Nationality Act does not require immigration judges to hold bond hearings after six months to determine if a non-citizen should be released while their case proceeds or is a flight risk or danger to the community. Agreeing with the Biden administration, Sotomayor said there was “no plausible construction of the text” of the statute that would mandate the government provide for such bond hearings and that the law did not even hint at such a requirement.
In a separate decision, the Supreme Court ruled 6-3 that federal district courts lack the authority to issue injunctions to force the government to release immigrants after 180 days without a bond hearing on a class-wide basis.
The decision reversed the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which upheld decisions by judges in California and Washington barring the government from detaining immigrants without bond headings after 180 days.
I don’t think I need to tell you what the aggregate meaning of those two decisions is
I wonder if the weather underground is nice…
Well, the wind’s blowing in the direction of “you should be armed and ready to catch some blue laces”
Death to the United States of America.
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I hope someone sues this unconstiutional law for fucking millions.
For one-to-one comms Signal is easier to get started with. Matrix requires a hosting service (or just reliance on the main matrix.org instance), or trust in a server administrator to run one. But it is good software. But unfortunately for group chat it’s not as easy to get started as Discord, due to the encrypted nature of Matrix. But Discord shouldn’t be considered secure or private, not really. It’s just more proprietary spyware, at the end of the day.
Certainly, no matter what, no SMS.
Signal is incredibly dangerous, it’s a US hosted and domiciled company, and they have a legal obligation to forward anything they know about you to the federal government if asked.
I wouldn’t knock it until I learn of a situation where Signal handed data over to the government that wasn’t encrypted mishmash or derived from side-channel that wasn’t specifically related to Signal (the app or the protocol) itself. I do fully agree, however, that a phone number as a registration ID is bad.
But as it stands I don’t consider the point that it’s located in the USA to be fully incriminating. Just as I don’t find it a problem that Matrix and Vector Creations were an offshoot from an Israeli tech company*. The protocol, and how it functions, are what matters.
*And yes, the major caveat here is that you can inspect and run the Matrix server code (Synapse or Dendrite), but not the Signal server code.
Read the section on NSL’s (national security letters) in the link above. Any US domiciled company must give up it’s data when asked, and it’s illegal for them to tell their users they were forced to do so. The Obama regime admitted to issuing 60 of these every single day, there’s no way Signal isn’t compromised.
Matrix doesn’t need to be hosted in the US, so they don’t have that problem. Using any US-hosted service is a big no-no.
Didn’t Signal recently get outed as having a back door?
Honestly, as long as you’re using a phone, you’re at risk. As LLMs becomes more portable it’s just a matter of time before our own phones will narc on us. Most of them already have some sort of ocr /image describer process happening on our photo rolls.
I think that’s where threat modeling comes in. Unfortunately, if you’re threat modeling against the US government, you’re mostly relying on the laziness and ineptitude of some random LEO to not follow through on looking into you further. You can absolutely make things better, but if you get a target on your back you’re fucked. There’s a reason Snowden’s in Russia.
