Hundreds of bipartisan former national security officials endorsed Harris in an open letter criticizing Trump as "impulsive and ill-informed."
  • penquin@lemm.ee
    921·
    2 months ago

    If you couldn’t figure out what Trump is in 8 years, then you’re either a fucking moron or just an evil asshole who is after personal benefits.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
      30·
      2 months ago

      My mother still thinks he’s basically harmless. We have a no politics rule because his first term nearly made me cut her out of my life.

      • cows_are_underrated@feddit.org
        1·
        2 months ago

        This is basically the same for me. During covid my parents driftet into the conspiracy theories and never got out(tbf I also kinda got into that shit, but somehow got out of it, a bit after it was undeniable, that the vaccination was safe). After about 1.5 years of constant discussions they stopped talking about that shit in my presence because nobody of us liked the constant fights. Nowadays I also always try to stay away from their “friends” (they now almost exclusively have social interactions with other conspiracy theorists), because its much healthier for me to not be forced to listen to their dumb bullshit.

    • Coelacanth@feddit.nu
      9·
      2 months ago

      Sadly the world is full of morons. As the late, great George Carlin said:

      Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

  • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
    43·
    2 months ago

    I don’t understand how military people support republicans. It’s their faults we lost so many children in the Middle East. As well as their fault for how little we are taking care of our soldiers who come home.

  • Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
    331·
    2 months ago

    What choice do they really have? If they believe their oath of allegiance to the Constitution.

    Just saying

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      8·
      2 months ago

      I’ve yet to see evidence trump can read at any comprehension level, so while he has many documents, only Kid Rock and a handful of foreign spies have been able to read them.

  • vegeta@lemmy.worldOP
    16·
    2 months ago

    Wow, the RINO population has exploded. All that so called climate change is obviuosly good for plants/grass that they eat.

    /s

  • BigMacHole@lemm.ee
    121·
    2 months ago

    All those Men and Women who Served and Defended our Country are WOKE! I’m Supporting the Man who Made up an Illness to NOT Serve and then Called our Veterans Losers and Suckers!

  • nifty@lemmy.world
    7·
    2 months ago

    How do you convince regular folk who’re just trying to get by and make sense of the world? They don’t even know what they stand to lose by voting in unsafe people like most Republicans

  • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    4·
    2 months ago

    It is not that he’s ill informed, it is that he is willfully ignorant and utterly dishonest when the truth and facts don’t benefit him. Which given how much he lies, is pretty much all the time. It must be so be some miracle he didn’t try to bomb an ally (that we know of) and I can’t think of one good thing he did while in office that he wasn’t compelled to do so by laws, precedent and his few remaining competent staff preventing him from fucking it up.

            • kescusay@lemmy.world
              1·
              2 months ago

              That is a bizarre assertion that has nothing to do with what I’m saying.

              You get Trump if you manage to convince enough people on the left to vote for third parties.

              • PeggyLouBaldwin@lemmy.world
                12·
                2 months ago

                if they wouldn’t vote for Democrats, then it doesn’t matter how many people vote for a so called third party

                • kescusay@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  2·
                  2 months ago

                  if they wouldn’t vote for Democrats…

                  …then - again - they get Trump for president. Like it or not, split the left and that’s what you get.

        • kescusay@lemmy.world
          323·
          2 months ago

          That’s the fucking POINT. We don’t have a great democracy. We want one, but we’re currently fucked by the undemocratic electoral college, a system specifically designed to winnow our choices down to two.

          So your options are a member of a rather pedestrian centrist party, or a deranged and demented monster.

          If you’re not American, as implied by your comment, then you may be used to functional democratic systems. Well, we’re currently stuck with what we’ve got. So as an outsider looking in, who do you want in charge of the world’s largest military? Harris or Trump? Pick one.

          • escapesamsara@lemmings.world
            324·
            2 months ago

            No citizenry is ever stuck, at any point with the government they have. That was the entire, exclusive positive lesson to learn from the american experiment.

            • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
              81·
              2 months ago

              And “the American experiment” took place in a world that didn’t contain mass surveillance systems, automatic firearms, remote control attack drones, EMPs, radar trackers, and god knows what other military secrets that can be brought to bear. A second American revolution is guaranteed to be extremely bloody, has a much lower chance of success than the first one, and nobody wants to be on the first wave of it.

              Besides, the stakes are different now. The American Revolution succeeded largely on the back of the fact that the rebels in question were all the way across the ocean and not taking land from Britain directly. That’s no longer an option.

              I see the point you’re trying to make here but you’re ignoring an awful lot of context both for the original American Revolution and also for the modern day.

              • escapesamsara@lemmings.world
                18·
                2 months ago

                No, I wrote american experiment. The concept of america itself is rotten and worthless, except the idea that citizens control their government, not the other way around. If we abandon the only good lesson that america has given the world then the hundreds of millions of people the us has tortured, murdered and oppressed were hurt for absolutely no reason.

          • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
            731·
            2 months ago

            Democrats aren’t centrist, they’re right-wing. Harris is talking about making the most lethal military in the world, cracking down on asylum seekers at the border,.and giving unlimited support for genocide. Under Biden the number of people killed by police went up every single year and under Harris that trend will only continue.

            If you want democracy you need to think outside the ballot box, because elections in the US are fucked and both parties are in on it.

                • kescusay@lemmy.world
                  9·
                  2 months ago

                  Define “direct action.” I asked for specificity. Don’t dance around what you mean, say it clearly.

                • webadict@lemmy.world
                  51·
                  2 months ago

                  That is only one of the actions. Voting is harm reduction, and done in tandem with other actions.

              • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
                314·
                2 months ago

                I think we should be working to organize the anti-genocide caucus of Democrats away from the Party and form a revolutionary party that can challenge the two right-wing parties for power. I think we can do this within the unions too, the rank and file are much more radical on this issue than the leadership. There’s a huge political movement right under our feet.

                • kescusay@lemmy.world
                  151·
                  2 months ago

                  Ah, so just divide the Democrats up to destroy their power. Typical.

                  I know I’m not going to convince you, so this is for everyone else reading this thread. Because of our shitty electoral college and FPTP system, calls for third parties on the left translate into more political power for the right. Here’s how it works…

                  Let’s say you have two main political parties, the Snuggling Puppies party and the Kicking Puppies party. The Snugglers usually win, because the Kickers are violent weirdos.

                  Then the Kickers get the bright idea of helping out fringe parties that also love puppies, like one called the Worshipping Puppies party, which takes their love of puppies to the extreme. They secretly fund and promote these other parties, and it’s very effective. In the next election, it’s so effective that the Kickers win.

                  Wait, what? How? It’s simple. With the people who love puppies dividing their votes between multiple candidates who love puppies, the Kickers get a plurality.

                  Let’s keep it simple and say the Kickers clandestinely supported three parties that are ideologically opposed to them, meaning people who love puppies divided their votes up four ways. Each of the puppy-loving parties gets 19.5% of the vote, for a pro-puppy total of 78%! But the Kickers didn’t divide up their vote, so with a 22% plurality, the winner is… The party that everyone else hates!

                  It’s a classic divide and conquer strategy. It only works when astroturfers manage to convince people on the left puppy lovers to divide themselves up, rather than consolidate to fight back against the right people who hate puppies.

                • mycodesucks@lemmy.world
                  81·
                  2 months ago

                  None of that is incompatible or inconsistent with a Harris victory. If this is your expressed goal and desired outcome, it is MUCH easier to do under Harris than under Trump where any action you take is more or less guaranteed to be met with responses from any number of empowered supremacist groups.

                  Also, I only EVER hear these revolutionary ideas and pushes during the last 6 months before an election when people proudly virtue signal about their intent not to vote for the Democrat. Just like with third parties, where is all of this political will and activity during the off-years when there’s time to actually BUILD a grassroots movement?

                  I’m with you. Our choices suck. The time to start doing something about that is November 6th, after the election is won and a backslide has been prevented. Build out a movement and come back in 2028 with a platform, a base, and a candidate.

            • Fedizen@lemmy.world
              5·
              2 months ago

              I don’t think equivacotion is realistic here. The GOP is actively hostile to democracy while the dems are just ambivalent to it.

        • chetradley@lemmy.world
          10·
          2 months ago

          Obviously I’d prefer us to have a better voting system, but that’s unfortunately not on the table. Right now, there’s a candidate who advocates dismantling our democracy all together and has tried to overturn the results of the last election. I’ll be voting for his opponent for the sake of our nation.

        • anticolonialist@lemmy.world
          727·
          2 months ago

          They deny that this is a fascist country while also refusing to acknowledge that there are no choices. They treat politics like WWE wrestling, they cheer for their favorite wrestler when both wrestlers work for the same company

    • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
      5·
      2 months ago

      Explain the endgame here.

      Left sits out the election. Either Harris wins and can ignore Left concerns or Trump wins and starts mass arrests of his enemies.

      Where’s the upside?

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      2 months ago

      Hey, remember when you said you’d vote Dem if Biden was replaced? Good times! How’s that going?