You’re getting little in the way of benefit of the doubt because you’re repeatedly trying to make Russia look good and misleading about this.

Never did either of those things.

It’s also somewhat hard to take you seriously when in another comment you equated drinking alcohol with child rape.

Why are you lying? I did not equate them, and you know that. I analogized. If I say a sad movie “hit me like a truck” does that mean I’m equating it, or even saying its close? No, its an analogy.

11 maintainers from sanctioned Russian companies were removed from their position where they could submit patches without any approval required.

My understanding is this is not true. My understanding is they are pushed to linux-next where people test and review them, and are eventually merged into the main branch after Linus reviews them, though I agree those patches are probably not reviewed as thoroughly, but there is still an approval process. My understanding is no one other than Linus can push directly to main.

Russia could easily utilise these people to introduce insecurities. We do not need another xz utils disaster.

Linux is not xz, each change has weeks before introduction and is much more looked at. Furthermore, the core thing, Jia Tan wasn’t a real person- these maintainers are real people. If you’re going to do a backdoor there still could be pseudonymous maintainers and contributors, those that show their face are more trust worthy. They’re at least risking losing their real names reputation.

Stop trying to minimise what they’re doing.

I’m not, stop insulting me. Nothing I said minimized it in any way.

Genocide: “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”

I think this definition is not specific enough. I would not consider ‘cultural genocide’ genocide. Genocide is the systematic slaughter of nearly everyone of a specific group with the intent to kill nearly everyone in that group. It is not the banning of a religion to destroy that religion or as China and some other countries have tried to do- encouraging or forcing reproduction with a certain ethnic group to ‘dilute the blood’. It is also not banning or repressing a language. That doesn’t mean those things aren’t ‘cultural genocide’, just that ‘cultural genocide’ and genocide are different things. To be honest, I’m not sure how to classify forced sterilization.

Putin has been leveling entire cities.

This itself doesn’t mean its a genocide, war crime and massacre yes of course.

He said Ukraine isn’t a real country with a real culture.

Yes to the first, the second though do you have a source for? (Though I would support that if he applied the same to Russian ‘culture’ but I don’t think he does sadly)

He has been abducting children and bringing them into Russia so they grow up as Russians.

Systemic cultural repression is bad, taking orphaned kids from their close family is bad. Adopting orphaned children itself is not itself bad, just like an American adopting a baby born in China isn’t cultural repression for them to be assimilated into American ‘culture’. I don’t know how much of it is former, and how much is the latter, but it seems like it leans towards the former rather than the latter- but there are also cases where its the latter.

He has been altering signs, maps, etc to erase Ukrainian names.

Okay?

The reason I am hesitant to agree with the claim of genocide is that there are still plenty of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russian occupied territories, and they are being oppressed(even more so than others in Russian territory) but they still exist. One example, my grandma was born in Nazi occupied Czech Republic, called then on her birth certificate the “Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia”. Czechoslovak resistance assassinated the Nazi governor of the protectorate, an in revenge that Nazis killed all the adults in the town of Ležáky and in Lidice all the men and many women and children were slaughtered. This was a horrific atrocity, but I do not believe it was a genocide of Czechs because for the most(though still many, many were slaughtered) part ethnic Czechs were able to live, oppressed, but still allowed to live. It would be fair to say it was a genocide of the people of Ležáky but I don’t think that counts as a “national, ethnical, racial or religious group”

XD

Nobody got banned

Yep I knew that, no clue why I wrote that, sometimes I should probably proofread.

They were removed from their positions as maintainers, because they work for a sanctioned company.

But again, employees of non-Russian sanctioned companies were not removed.

Please stop being purposely misleading.

I am not, it was genuine slip of the finger? Idk, but if you check my profile there are plenty of examples where I omitted or said the wrong word, I really should proof read more rather- though that would ruin the fun. Stop assuming malice when someone has a different opinion from you and makes a mistake.

They just can’t submit patches with no oversight

There is still oversight, plenty of people read every merged commit.

because they are close to the Russian government

I’ve never seen anything to support this.

has invaded their neighbour and is currently committing genocide.

Invaded yes, genocide I have no clue what really is happening in Ukraine, but I would say it doesn’t look like a genocide. War is bad, killing is bad, but genocide is a specific thing, and this feels a lot like just adding a word to make it sound more bad. The invasion is bad enough.

None of those say it is good. I disagree with him, he also disagrees with him and apologized for saying that. But that is very different from saying its good. I don’t think alcohol is good, I also don’t think it should be illegal.

This was reported, I’m not sure its rule breaking, but its weirdly aggressive.

This got reported, but its a joke, I think people just didn’t get it- including me. Because its a weird joke.

Do you have a source for that?

People were saying it in the comments before the recent press release even came out. Do you think they knew it by magic?

They saw people were banned to comply with the law and it was a list of just Russians. Huawei is a sanctioned company and none of their employees were banned.

Good thing Linus was never talking about Russian people in general then, isn’t it?

But he was talking about the specific people implying that they were supporting the Russian aggression, which to my knowledge they weren’t. The removal also said it can be reversed with “sufficient documentation” without any clarification on what that is. There were and are many opportunities to say “these people were removed because they worked for sanctioned companies” but that was not said.

And btw, for being Polish it seems weird that you constantly post in US politics communities and never in any polish ones.

To my knowledge there are no Polish communities on here. I do comment and post on r/Poland on Reddit.

He never said that. I agree he was more skeptical than I’d like, but he eventually was informed and apologized.

If the cruelty had stopped, I would agree revenge is inappropriate.

Has the cruelty done by the US, France, Palestine(under Hamas), and Israel stopped?

Oh, yep I didn’t see that. Though definitely more eyes are on Linux than were on xz

It was known beforehand.

Source?

I live in Poland…

Also, disliking the Russian state is different from disliking Russian people

And you know this because it has been made clear throughout this thread,

As I said, everyone is basing this on one post on Mastadon, I have no clue where that person got that information, if he is trustworthy, if he speaks for the LF/Kernel team, or what.

Russians are not the Russian state, I’m well aware of what Russian(and don’t forget other Eastern Bloc militaries did at the time). My relatives were arrested for protesting in the Prague Spring. Actually, one of those relatives runs an organization for political prisoners. This kind of reciprocal cruelty will just make it more common. Just look at the Yugoslav wars, or the eastern front in WW2 if you don’t believe me. Or every war that’s happened in the middle east or south east asia for the past 50 years. Actually a lot of soviet oppression of the western republics (Ukraine, Causes, etc) was justified based on the cruelties nationalists did from those countries while fighting on the side of the Germans in WW2. This nationalist/xenophobic “revenge” on civilians is evil. (And rests on the same premise as was used to justify 9/11, collective guilt)

Yes, something that wasn’t published to my knowledge until after a xenophobic rant

What did I miss?

Nothing was or to my knowledge has yet been indicated that it is only sanctioned companies, or if it is to comply with the sanctioning of all of Russia, other than one post on Mastadon

Don’t know, but if they want to avoid that backlash there’s literally 1 person they can remove to fix it.

Good idea, I expect you hold the same standard for all Americans, French, Israelis, Chinese, and Palestinians too

Or let me guess, Germans in 1945 didn’t deserve the cruelty they got from the red army either?

You’re right, they didn’t. Shockingly, being cruel to civilians and conscripts isn’t cool. If “lashing out against oppressors” is okay then I’m sure you supported what happened in Rwanda? What about the Khmer Rouge killing foreigners?

I heard Russia is full of Nazis, and if that level of hearsay is fine for staging a multi year invasion and destroying a thousand years of history it’s just FINE for segregating bad-actors and persona non grata.

Linux maintainers aren’t invading Ukraine

Limiting the freedoms of innocent people who happen to live in a country doesn’t protect the rights of others.