plant-based protein options still play a major role in diets
said as if it were a bad thing
No it isn’t?
From the article:
But the Chinese people are also showing that it is possible to increase protein consumption without eating as much meat as the Americans, which also benefits the planet.
Why are the Chinese not aiming for the Big Chungus physique? Why are they so scared of it? Could it be a CCP PROPAGANDA??
Yeah this one is very confusing. Tofu is delicious in Chinese food. Mapo tofu is one of the greatest treasures we have available to us. You can’t “replace” the tofu in that dish with a meat, it wouldn’t work at all.
The whole idea that something like tofu just exists without being a meat substitute is unimaginable to a lot of people
“meat substitution” type dishes are stupid anyway. There are thousands of years of delicious non-meat meals, built around the ingredients as they are. Dishes don’t need meat at all to be delicious, just construct your dishes around the ingredients you have and they’ll be wonderful. Trying to shoehorn in “replacements” just creates weird stuff.
Disagreeing heavily here. Chicken Nuggets are good as fuck and they basically nailed those in vegan form, which begs the question, why not?
I think chicken nuggets is a great example where it works because “real” “chicken” nuggets are basically meat substitute products anyway.
Agree’d, but we ain’t starting at 0 and chicken nuggets were around to define the flavour before plant based alternatives were ever made, so yeah, they’re a substitute. Good stuff though, would’ve been better if we never had to take the detour of the animal abuse
It’s very much a cultural thing. A lot of cuisine in the americas is built around chattle culture. With the best land used for commodity cultivation, the ever moving, ever expanding peripheric frontier of american colonies was used for chattle ranching. ‘Cowboy Culture’ was invented by the spanish and the portuguese, after all. So all compositions follow a similar pattern. What type of meat, what type of cut, how to season it, and then what type of side dishes to accompany it.
Even here in Brazil where Rice+Black Beans is considered the staple food people will still add a serving of red or white meat to their plate as if they weren’t already eating more protein than they probably need. Nevermind cutting meat entirely, having meat as a secondary or a tertiary aspect of a dish is culturally strange and something that would indicate poverty in most people’s eyes.
the volatile American tends to get abnormally antsy and restless, especially when in the company of their peers. one instance that these symptoms may occur in is when ambient bloodlust isn’t being maximized. to address this, they may need to be provided external enrichment to distract themselves with–for instance: burger that requires a saving throw to survive
These Amerikkkans looked at the myth of the wendigo, and just thought it was a model…
said as if it were a bad thing
DAE LE EPIC BACON marketing and its consequences have been a disaster.
Literally the cringe American soylent green nightmare meat slop v.s. the based gigachad Chinese soybean-based plant protien.
The duality of soy.
Tofu and tempeh are both staples in my diet and last I checked I’m still alive.
oh yeah sorry meaning to say that american meat protein is literally soylent green type pink slime in the original sense. Various parts from like 9 different dead diseased mass produced animals, all of which spent their entire lives drowning in their own shit and piss, either sold whole or blended together and formed into patties for consumption.
shouldve specified I meant this instead of the reactionary use of “soylent” to mean plant based meat substitutes
And it’s not like the article claims that the Chinese diet is some vegetarian or vegan one, according to the article almost 50% of the protein Chinese people eat comes from animal sources. Which is still a lot, and still expected to increase.
By 2019, animal proteins accounted for 49.2 per cent of China’s protein intake, according to a Chinese study published last year in the peer-reviewed journal Environment, Development and Sustainability…
UN projections suggest that on present trends meat consumption in China could increase by 21 per cent from 2010 levels by the end of this decade
Is that meat consumption per capita or for the whole country
USSR had a similar report done on it, from the US alphabets no less.
this one I believe https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp84b00274r000300150009-5
I was expecting the title to be: “AMERICAN AND SOVIET CITIZENS EAT ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF FOOD EACH DAY BUT” AT WHAT COST?
Internal documents tend to be quite factual.
There were several such studies, if I recall. The CIA report is not the only one.
these stories will continue to be ignored or distorted (bUt At WhAt cOsT?) until China’s sputnik moments start coming, at which point bourgeois media will go into panic mode
It’s gonna be on the renewables/battery cells. The West has been huffing the “but China pollutes more than us!” copium for so long that there’s no acknowledgement of how much China has been building out and investing in that sector. So when fossil fuel costs become untenable, the West will look to renewables and batteries only to find China has the supply and manufacturing corned. At which point there will be a panic, probably some whining that China was somehow being unethical in preparing for the energy shift,
I could also see it on fusion power. I know fusion power is always 10 years away but it’s always 10 years away because nobody has invested into it. China actually is in a more meaningful way that could make it happen. Imagine a nation that produces so much of the world’s shit being able to produce it on extremely low cost fusion power. There would be no competition
I’ve seen “fusion is always 40 years away” slowly decrease to “fusion is always 10 years away” over my lifetime and at a certain point I wonder if the problem is just that people don’t know how long a year is.
Years where weeks happen
i hope its a manned moon landing
That wouldn’t be enough unfortunately. In fact it would probably have the opposite effect of “oh wow MURRICA already did that many years ago”. China needs to do something undeniable that also carries spectacle for the Western media to care. Their remarkable achievements around manufacturing and lifting their entire country out of poverty aren’t flashy so Western media doesn’t give a shit about them. It needs to be something flashy
Mars landing and a fusion generator
Those would both be undeniable
I agree. Which is why I’m not looking forward to when the US nukes China’s moon base.
probably some whining that China was somehow being unethical in preparing for the energy shift,
Funnily enough, one of the more common theories circulating for decades is that the western oil and energy companies have been stifling alternative solutions and research for all that time and are just sitting on ready tech to roll out when the oil runs out. Current events already proven that while the first part of that theory is undeniably correct, second one is not, as if monopoly corpos ever planned that much for the future.
Yeah, every other 'working class" (media guy larping as a factory worker) complains about how ‘unethical Chinese production is’ as if American companies keep their noses clean.
Western pig-headedness is a blessing and a curse.
And to make matters worse, being Chinese food rather than American, those pesky Chinese are also eating much tastier food than yanks.
but they just get hungry again a half hour later hur hur hur
That’s why they’re eating more than us.
The Chinese agricultural system is a modern miracle, feeding over a billion people to such a high standard with the limited amount of land and resources they have. China has one third of the arable land of the United States, yet they feed four times more people, to a higher standard even!
Bro no joke when watching the Olympics there were Americans mad that the Chinese were winning swimming and guys were on about “that country putting on a display of power for their country while their people are starving”. Shit I seen I was wondering what century I’m in
My mom made the comment China forces their people to become athletes against their will. In my head, I thought “Oh as opposed to the US who has kids subject themselves to traumatic brain injuries every week or else they don’t get to go to college and lose their scholarships?”
Yeah people be saying that but theres enormous push back on college athletes getting paid despite the crazy revenue the sports brings in. And they speak of athletes from young age being selected as candidates for certain sports from youth like its the rapture. It gets comical
It’s pretty funny because almost every high level professional who’s been training since childhood (e.g. art, music, academics, sports) will face some abuse from their mentors. Maybe with the exception of skateboarders and athletes who aren’t part of a dynasty.
Mandem acting blind towards the level of depravity that happened in the womens gymanstics team
Shit to update…a 13 year old boy died in football due to collision. 6 student deaths recent weeks in football
I feel like all the propaganda about enemies kinda mixes together for a lot of people
A colleague of mine said the same thing when he heard I was going to China, “aren’t they all starving over there”. I was so taken aback by the stupidity of what he said that I couldn’t really come back with a snappy reply, but all I could think was, how out of date is your racist propaganda? That’s what is truly incredible about the propaganda in the west, some people are literally still informing themselves on stuff they heard 50 years ago.
I remember when i was younger, the phrase “this could feed a whole village in Africa/China” was common lol
People are so much healthier here. It’s very inspiring. Made me start taking an interest in my physical health again.
: “concerning! The evil CCP forces its citizens to care for their health, denying hardworking insurance companies their well-deserved profits and will hurt the economy at large! Besides, creating a better society for poors instead of the business class is so….weird…alien and other thinly veiled racist remarks to dehumanize China!”
Definitely impressive but don’t they also import a lot of food?
Net importer of about $137 billion deficit for food. This is a tenfold increase from 2003.
lol no, china imports more food than anyone else.
But at what cost?
Seitan costs around 25 CNY per kilogram.
So nobody’s gonna comment on the weird-ass thumbnail? Ok…
yeah wtf? some sort of restaurant bathouse fusion?
Looks like a good time
Making fun of my friend because his broth tastes better than everyone else’s
I’m into this
Voluntarily making myself into an Elmer Fudd style rabbit stew.
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I get that. But it lacks any of the visual indicators beyond an “odd” composition/subject.
Human hot pots let tourists bathe in their food
What a idea…
East Asian treat culture is far more advanced than America’s.
That’s a no from me
I want to comment on the weird-ass thumbnail but I don’t even know how.
“In soviet Ginah, they cook people alive alongside their food and the one who eats the least has their food taken away by the other prisoners.”
Billy beanies, not my lover
Yeah it almost stopped me from reading the article…
Meanwhile ask any American to stop eating meat and they throw a pissy baby fit like your trying to ruin their lives.
thanks for the reminder of why I defederated lemmy.world
No problem comrade 🌱
Haahahaha holy shit you weren’t kidding.
Literally had nothing to argue after I pointed out their only argument so far was an appeal to nature.
People’s Republic of Gains 
Break chains, get gains
soybeans do have a stupid amount of protein. if only i liked them 10 percent as much as i like beans and chickpeas.
soymilk and oatmeal smoothie with fruit and veg are where it’s at, also plain soymilk is great when added to ramen as it makes a creamy broth
Wow another sign that China is about to collapse any day. The Authoritarian Chinese government only gives it’s people protein and no other food
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Important to note that supply != consumption and that you still need to account for wastage, which (at least in the US) is significant. The most wasted categories of food tend to be perishable animal products and a lot of that wastage happens at the household level, so it’s difficult to tell how much of that is actually being consumed.
I’m not sure how it is elsewhere but in America, between restaurants, grocers, homes etc. we throw out sooo much food while people starve. It’s disgusting.
Here it’s roughly 40% of edible calories! When you count wastage by overconsumption, we waste enough food in this country to feed a whole additional country.
40% of edible calories
Doesn’t the majority of food waste occur before it’s bought by the consumer?
Depends on the categories you’re looking at and what method of accounting you’re using. If you’re looking just in terms of raw tonnage, the majority happens at the farm/distributor/processor and the grocery store (the EPA puts it at 60/40 upstream/downstream), but the picture is a little bit muddier if you’re tracing protein or calories instead of weight. Grocery stores mainly throw away produce because they build those nice pretty displays to get you into the store but they’re horribly inefficient from a distributional perspective. Meats and other short-shelf-life products are often purchased and brought home, then allowed to go past the expiration date in the fridge, so the preconsumer and postconsumer components are closer to parity on those categories compared to produce. A lot of that waste also comes from wholesalers like Costco because no one is buying $90 worth of salmon in a single shopping trip, but in terms of total volume they’re smaller than grocery stores.
Sorry, I missed my macros last week.
picture is cursed.
seriously why are the bathing in that shit lmao???
is it dope?
spiced bath water might be awesome idk
Like we do bath salts and bombs. I like eucalyptus in the bath. Why not peppers
