Its just an instance where tankies can exist in an echo chamber without having to critically think.
If you want you can read some of my comments here and watch these morons make fallacious argument after falacious argument, put words in my mouth, and project some person who makes similarly bad takes which exists inside their head onto me: https://lemmy.today/comment/17304484
Edit: there’s also this thread: https://lemmy.today/post/32415724/17304693
“Nooo you can’t make fun of me for randomly calling china authoritian its supposed to be the natural, obvious, biological, truth of reality you can’t expect me to back that up with a source nooo!”
IM NOT MAD DON’T YOU DARE SAY THAT IM MADWhy do those bruhs always feel the need to share threads where they were absolutely obliterated and in response thrown a tantrum as some kind of gotcha?
What the hell is this? Is this an elaborate joke?
This is awesome.
I was trying to set one up but then they just went and said that.
Xinjiang nuts! Goteem!
What’s that?
I love this kind of post
I looked it up, it’s a city in The Uygur Autonomous Region. Please give me some links on how that’s relevant. I don’t like search engines for this stuff.
In bad country, they let minorities build up a big beautiful city just so we can burn it all down
That part made me laugh out loud
Amazing
Hexbear owned me so hard that I blocked them is one of my favorite posting genres
It’s peak
Why do these people make posts about arguing with us? Who cares.
Because they have fragile identities based around being the good guys and have never once encountered anything that rejects western imperialism
They’re used to their enemies either buckling or getting so mad they say a slur. When that doesn’t happen they need psychic soothing in the form of fellow liberals telling them that in fact China is the enemy of all humanity
When a thread has more comments then upvotes it’s like smelling smoke before seeing the fire.
On Hexbear, even our fires are gay
And our gays are fire 🔥 🤘
“I’m so sick of those guys and their echo chamber, so I’m blocking them so I only need to hear opinions that agree with my preconceived notions!”
This place is obviously something of an echo-chamber, but it’s so rich coming from a redditor for whom their entire lives are going to be capitalist echo-chambers whereas the people on hexbear just have their little lemmy thing and otherwise exist in the same sorts of dogmatically capitalist spaces the redditor does (for the most part).
This is the only place I know where leftists congregate, and their only things in common are antiimpetialist, and far left of center. Which has a lot of actual difference of opinion (anarchist, and communist is pretty deep theory with a ton of different factions) so is this place an actual echo chamber because if I admit that ideologically I’m an anarchist doesn’t that mean I’m inviting a dog pile?
Yeah, Hexbear has taught me to purity test where it matters and let ideological shit slide. I’m a maoist, but have lots of anarchist friends I do organizing work with. Sometimes we disagree on things, but the important thing is that we’re able to work together to make our area a better place. We all kind of accept that there’s no chance of a revolution where we live, so there’s really no point in getting into ideological spats. Even if there was a revolution coming, there’d still be more value in working together as leftists than purity testing each other.
I don’t mean it as a point of judgement, it just is an echo chamber and you can observe that in the lack of voiced disagreement on countless issues much more specific and peripheral than “should poor people get to eat?”
Like what?
There’s the question of whether Russia is imperialist. In about equal measure, I’ve seen people here both say that the Ukraine War is an inter-imperialist conflict and that it’s actually anti-imperialist on Russia’s part. The course of action (revolutionary defeatism) remains the same, but I’ve seen the occasional Hexbear on Hexbear argument over it.
But the consensus on the site if just that, a consensus. It wasn’t just arbitrarily decided, there was a lot of discussion and “struggle sessions” over the idea. Which is the opposite of an echo chamber, the group discussing an idea and then coming to a consensus, even if some individuals in the group disagree with the consensus, they’ll accept it, is exactly how a group should work.
The term “echo chamber” is used so much by libs that it loses any sort of potential meaning it could’ve had. Like “authoritarian” it just means “bad thing me no like.”
If it’s being argued over, that counts against the “echo chamber” idea though.
I missed the “lack of” part of the comment you originally responded to. Sorry.
No worries comrade
I know bait when I see it, but there’s one point that I’ve complained about a few times already (and in fairness to HB, was met with no reprisal on): https://hexbear.net/comment/6251976
As I explained to death in those comments, I support the DPRK over Occupied Korea and the West, I support its nuclear program and other military investments, and most of what an American would say about the DPRK is a lie, but the DPRK is not remotely Marxist, it can hardly be said to even be socialist (as they deny the need for private ownership to end), and I can go on with criticisms but you can get the idea. Basically everyone on Hexbear either redwashes the DPRK or stays silent, though some might tacitly believe what I said and just focus on the anti-imperialist struggle element, which is valid but does not detract from my claim.
It was an honest question, not bait, and I think you’ve brought up some perfectly valid points.
Sorry for jumping to conclusions. Thanks for being more charitable than I was
No worries
I think we are fairly good about keeping sectarianism to a minimum.
Yeah most of us leave the echo chamber we have here as soon as we go outside. For people in other spaces there is less likely to be a difference.
I’d like to block hexbear too, but I can’t figure out how. Tell me.
I’ve heard that shoving your head firmly up your own ass is a great way to do it
You’re on lemm.ee. Give it a few days.
Your name seemed oddly familiar and I thought you must’ve been roasted for chatting shit to come in malding like this so I decided to poke around in the modlogs and…
No wonder you hate it here with how quickly you jump to casual misogyny and homophobia. Why’d you even leave reddit to begin with if you’re just gonna bring the redditor mindset here?
I’m not misogynistic or homophobic. It’s a cheap shot to show a few out-of-context posts without the comments they are responding to. All of those were aimed at vicious MAGA Nazis who don’t deserve any respect or kindness. They are evil, and should be disparaged harshly. It’s a small defense against traitors/racists/murderers, and I stand behind every one of those opinions.
Evidence that liberals thinking it’s ok to be bigots as long as the peoples they are being bigots to are bad (according to them) exhibit #5354
It really is the most disgusting trait liberals have. This guy is complaining about “closet homosexuals” but it’s clearly just projection, because he’s a closet fascist.
Saying violent homophobia is just the fault of closeted homosexuals and not heterosexuals is a grievous insult to many more gay people than to straights while denying the substantial guilt of many straight people
Firstly, misogyny and homophobia don’t suddenly become okay when you direct it at shitty people.
Secondly, they may not deserve any respect or kindness but using insults based on homophobia or misogyny isn’t showing disrespect to them (they’re never gonna read your fucking Lemmy comments), it’s making this site a less pleasant space for the types of people who are targeted by this kinda shit on a regular basis.
And finally, it shows these aforementioned marginalised people you’re supposed to be an ally with that your allyship is worthless. You’ve decided homophobia is conditionally acceptable.
As you said, these are terrible people you’re talking about, so why not attack them on that instead of vomiting out casual bigotry?
https://hexbear.net/comment/6284093 The loser your talking to apperently crashed out in the same as way as the op. This plus their vaush-like “I can weaponize slurs aganist minorities/people I perceive as minorties because I am the one true ally and you need me” bs this warrents another post. Which will probbably attract another chauvinist…
Sisyphus but with the
I’m not going to defend myself to you. I am extremely close to people in my life who are LBGTQ+, and they know I am with them 100%. I have often posted that they are my bright red line. If this government were to do ANYTHING to them, I will become a very dangerous person. I am very prepared to defend these people with my very life, so you can go fuck yourself with your scurrilous accusations.
Its wild to go to one of the largest queer websites on lemmy proclaim yourself to be ally king, and proclaim that you and you alone speak for the queers to the transwoman mad that you are using slurs to “defend her.” Are you actually Vaush??? Why don’t you call us both slurs you coward aren’t we bad putin booklickiers or something?
“I can’t be homophobic because I have gay friends” lol k, and also lol @ “i’m not gonna defend myself” followed immediately by a poorly constructed defense
Strong words for someone who immediately reaches for misogyny when they want to insult someone.
Oh but you know some queer people so you can’t be a bigot.
I swear, cishets are the worst.
If this government were to do ANYTHING to them
You gonna do a test to make sure they’re the right kindsa people first before you act? Can’t risk your activism helping the bad gays, right?
I’ve met happy meals more dangerous than you
“i’m not homophobic, i called them slurs in a woke way”
Gay people are people first, and some people are bad people, gay or not. I am under no obligation to support or excuse bad people just because they are gay, and I am not homophobic because I call out bad gay people for their poor behavior.
Ditto for misogyny.
I am not homophobic because I call out bad gay people for their poor behavior.
No, you’re homophobic by stating that all homophobia (or at minimum, all homophobic murder) comes from gay people, while ‘regular’ straight people “just don’t care”.
To be honest it’s amazing you’re not already banned
But you’ve time to yet admit that was maybe an absolutely dogshit awful thing to say.I didn’t say that at all, but it can’t be denied that we have seen many cases some of the worst anti-gay politicians and preachers turning out to be gay themselves, so when I see someone making it a huge focus, I assume that’s their personal issue. It almost always turns out to be true.
The most common anti-gay bigotry comes from those who don’t talk about it, and just don’t like people just because they are gay. I don’t think that those people are gay, just stupid.
But if you are making a big deal about it, and getting in the media to complain about it, you are probably covering something up. Mentally balanced people, gay or straight, don’t behave that way.
“the killer … he’s a closeted gay himself. They’re the only people who hate other gays that much. Regular straight people don’t care.”
I don’t know why you’re denying saying that, when this quote is screenshot’d just up above. Did you intend something else with these words? Because this is quite literally you saying “that”.
But if you are making a big deal about it, and getting in the media to complain about it, you are probably covering something up
That’s not true… it would be so easy to grift on Fox or whatever about the latest minority to hate if you don’t care about others, and by the looks of it, you seem willing to do it for free.
Since you keep bringing up children, I think they have a better sense of ethics than you.
If you’re calling a bad person who happens to be gay out by way of referring to them being gay then yes actually it’s still homophobic, because them being gay is presented as a bad thing, and if I had to put money in it I’d bet that there’s no way in hell you’re not completely misrepresenting the situation
cHiLdIsH rEsPoNsE.
No, you WILL be forced to read zines about capitalism
