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According to the latest Edelman Trust Barometer, change is under way not only in technical capability but also in public sentiment. In China, 72 per cent of people trust artificial intelligence (AI), compared to 32 per cent in the United States and 28 per cent in the United Kingdom. Similar patterns hold across India, Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand as developing Asian markets consistently outperform Western and developed peers on public trust in innovation.
I don’t believe this is because Chinese bazinga AI is inherently more trustworthy, currently the AIs are all more or less comparable, you’ll get a similar answer out of ChatGPT, Grok or DeepSeek on any given topic.
I think it is simply because it is inheriting trust created by the Chinese governing system. The AI in the rest of the world is inheriting distrust in the capitalist governing system.
Everyone can see how AI can be used to shape the truth. The Chinese population simply trusts that their government is going to carefully manage it to display the real truth and be positive towards the people, whereas the populations of the rest of the world believe that their governments can not be trusted to intentionally misuse it to harm themselves.
This is less about the technology itself and more about who is controlling the technology.
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I was wondering why the fuck this suddenly had 80 more comments and then I saw it
yogthos posts rankle lib feathers like few others
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Opens another hopium article for something new.
Oh its just Chinese AI shilling.
Its good because its under the red flag lol. The Chinese are welcome to enshittify their economy, just remember crying US bad wont save you from these consequences.
I do think that China’s plan of figuring out a use case and then implementing the new technology with that use case is far better than the west’s plan of “it’ll probably make the rich a bunch of money, so let’s just go all in on this and shove it everywhere and hope and pray it works.”
But the global innovation order is shifting. According to the latest Edelman Trust Barometer, change is under way not only in technical capability but also in public sentiment. In China, 72 per cent of people trust artificial intelligence (AI), compared to 32 per cent in the United States and 28 per cent in the United Kingdom. Similar patterns hold across India, Indonesia, Malaysia and Thailand as developing Asian markets consistently outperform Western and developed peers on public trust in innovation.
that’s pretty wild as a difference
Generative AI is not an inherently evil technology. If I had any trust in Western institutions whatsoever I wouldn’t have as much of an issue with it.
It could be a tool with amazing potential. The latest Steve Yegge blog post is one of the most depressing things I’ve read about software engineering in years…This turned out to be the biggest surprise of the new world: agentic coding is addictive. You will hear it more and more often, because it bewitches people once they’ve got the hang of it. Agentic coding is like a slot machine, where each of your requests is a pull of the lever with potentially infinite upside or downside. On any given query, you don’t know if it’s going to one-shot everything you wished for, or delete your repo and send weenie pics to your grandma.
Every time something good happens, which is often, you get rewarded with dopamine. And when something bad happens, also often, you get adrenaline. The intermittent reinforcement of those dopamine and adrenaline hits creates the core addictive pull. It can become near-impossible to tear yourself away. We had to drag several vibe coders off stage at a conference I was at recently. As we escorted them away from the podium, they would still be wailing, “It’ll work on the next try!”
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How do you know if you’re doing AI right at your company? We’ve noticed that the companies that are winning with AI – the ones happy with their progress – tend to be the ones that encourage token burn. Token spend per developer per unit time is the new health metric that best represents how well your company is doing with AI: an idea proposed by Dr. Matt Beane and playing out in the field as we speak. I see companies saying, “If our devs are spending $100-$300 a day, that’s much less than paying for another human engineer. So if AI makes our devs twice as productive, or in some cases only 50% more, we’re winning.”
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Amp is also more fun. It takes a different design approach, being intentionally team-centric. Amp gamifies your agentic development by making it public, with leaderboards and friendly competition, as well as liberal thread sharing. It all manages to be low-pressure
I read both this one and RotJD and boy howdy was that a wild ride. It seems like he veers off course with the occasional wild claim like:
No matter whose vision you subscribe to, something big will happen with AI in the next two years. Compute power for AI is doubling around every 100 days, which makes it likely that we hit AGI by 2028 if not sooner. But I take an optimistic view: Our problems will always be harder than anyone can fully understand, even superhuman intelligences. It will be nice to have them around to help us solve those giant problems.
But maybe I’m still too skeptical. I’m thinking about the news that Louisiana is building a bunch of new natural gas plants to serve Meta’s new data center. Regardless of how well “AI” functions at solving actual problems (instead of just coming up with ever more elaborate ways to serve ads) or when it plateaus, it seems like we’re lashed to the mast.
Compute power doubling every 100 days certainly means the text extruder will manifest intelligence, right? The deterministic statistical matrix will definitely come alive and help us tangibly improve stakeholder value, right?
The whole blog series was about how agentic LLM coders could conceivably turn the software industry on its head, which I think is plausible, but then he does seamlessly segue into stuff like the quote on the basis of no credible information. There’s also been some noise about world models, which are supposed to better approximate human reasoning, as a way of getting around the limitations of LLMs, but I don’t know how credible those claims are. I think the current scenario is these things being useful enough to cause substantial disruptions in tech but the promised resolutions to the contradictions of capitalism will always be over the next horizon. However, if LLMs have demonstrated anything, it’s that it doesn’t take as much as you’d think to fool a large number of people into believing that we’ve reached AGI and the implications of that are a little scary.
So I haven’t read anything by Steve Yegge before, but looking into it now I see he’s the head of a company that sells tooling that leverages the very models/agents that he’s saying will turn the industry on its head. Not saying he’s wrong, just seems like everyone that says AI will do X is person who will profit very much if everyone believes that AI will do X.
Yeah, the problem is if the AI is convincing enough at appearing to do X and the rush to adopt happens very quickly, then there’s the potential a lot of damage could get done.
Or if AI does in fact do X, it’ll just punch the accelerator on every negative trend in tech.
It’s a bunch of people selling shovels trying to convince everyone else there’s a gold rush
No matter whose vision you subscribe to, something big will happen with AI in the next two years
Although I’m always wrong about everything, I’m still open to Ed Zitron’s “something big”, and the bottom falls out of it (although I’m sure it’s too big to fail by now)
I’m pretty sure this was the plot of a Pinky and the Brain episode.
In other words, people living in a dystopia are less optimistic about the future.
Perfect summary of the situation.
In contrast, I believe China is charting an alternative which I call “technomeritism”.
China is already technofeaudalist and is continuing to go down that path, so, you’re wrong. Its just more organized at doing it due to its authoritarianism
Look up its encroachment of the legal system with bias automators (usually incorrectly called AI) if you wanna argue that somehow China is better for freedom.
damn, i just looked up what the word 'authoritarianism ’ means and now i’m freaking the fr*ck out. have you ever heard of this book called 1984? it sounds like China is a lot like that book except that big brother is now Chinese and everything is happening in the year 2025 and not 1984 like the book said it would. crazy to think about (and i love to think!)
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Isn’t America the one with huge overinvested private AI company bubbles, that are all closed- source, and whose only chances at profits come from ignoring small creators’ copyright?
Meanwhile China’s contribution to the common good includes open sourcing one of the most efficient models to date, enabling anybody with a half- decent home computer to run one.
Not saying it’s perfect, but that’s a meaningful difference in attitude.
Why are you bringing up “America” (by which you actually mean The U.S.) as if I somehow brought it up in this comment chain?
Because the US is what the article is referring to in regards to technofeudalism.
Okay. Its not relevant to the comment chain. You’re intentionally distracting from my arguments.
Your argument uses the term “authoritarianism”, so I disregarded it.
How do you figure china is already technofeudalist if you don’t compare/contrast it with other countries?
Its just more organized at doing it due to its authoritarianism
More organized than who? Which country are you referring to if not America?
I think you’ll find that you can’t do analysis in isolation. A country’s character does not exist only in relation to its internal structure, but also in relation to other countries and their structures. Basic dialectics.
Why are you acting as if you don’t have object permanace?
Because doing otherwise would be devastating to their “arguments”
Nobody’s intentionally distracting from your arguments, your arguments are up in the window for other Hexbear users to point and laugh at. We’re celebrating the opportunity to mock you!
Why are you bringing up “America” (by which you actually mean The U.S.) as if I somehow brought it up in this comment chain?
Western ‘technofeudalism’
Yes China is authoritarian. People actually respect authority figures and trust them. Innovation is based on merit and benefit to society rather than accumulating private capital. The future must be authoritarian.
In the West there is no authoritarianism. It is the jungle where the strong eat the weak and authority is replaced with cheap goods and fear.
Nah the west is authoritarian in a different way. Dictatorship of capital.
Which in other words is like obeying line goes up, full death cult society.
We “tankies” should just reclaim the word authoritarianism for ourselves and use it to describe anyone who resists capital.
that’s gonna be good
Define technofeudalism
Yanis Vourofakis’s book defines it as rents almost entirely replacing profits, with technology being the replacement for feudal lands and with tech feudalists forgoing profits for pure rent seeking from the now lower class business owners i.e. merchants that can only rent capital instead of owning it and only sell in feudal markets like Amazon and gig workers i.e. tech serfs that have no workplace and float freely between tech feudal lords.
It’s an interesting idea, at least.
Yeah it’s Varoufakis’ thing. I think it is just monopoly capitalism in reality but it’s very funny that parent didn’t even Google it.
Yeah, rent seeking behavior has been a constant of capitalism especially since it entered its monopoly stage. The railroad barrons and oil barrons and mining barrons and shipping barrons etc etc just sit on valuable resources and collect rents, rather than producing anything for profit. That’s been with us for almost two centuries!
Capitalism bought some time with trust busting, but this is always the end game.
Not an expert but I’d put it somewhere around “using ‘tech’ (as in computers, software, etc.) to carry about fraudalism.”
If you’re wondering where I’d put feudalism, I’d be something like “limiting People’s economic (and sometimes social) mobility through leveraging ownership of resources the person needs to survive”.
Not an expert but I’d put it somewhere around “using ‘tech’ (as in computers, software, etc.) to carry about fraudalism.”
So you have no idea at all and are just guessing based on the composite words. And yet you try to tell people China has this model?
What is the right word to use when someone is pretending to know things when they have never even tried to learn them?
If you’re wondering where I’d put feudalism, I’d be something like “limiting People’s economic (and sometimes social) mobility through leveraging ownership of resources the person needs to survive”.
And you would be incorrect. Many previous and current economic system can be described this way, including capitalism. This does not distinguish feudalism and you would misinfoem others if you continue to make shit up like this.
Have some basic humility.
lmao they declared they blocked hexbear, apparently because they are too afraid to confront their ignorance and chauvinism: https://hexbear.net/post/5385022
And nobody cares about their post, all the comments are just hexbears who followed them to continue mocking them lol
Edit: nobody cares about that entire com actually, 0 comments or upvotes anywhere. Why even bother posting there.
That entire Comm is mostly posts by Dr. Wesker
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You have a poor grasp on feudalism.
Not an expert
So true
Yeah so words have meanings and taking a stab at interpreting them is a lot less effective than just looking it up. Feudalism is a specific mode of production, not what you wrote.
Is it a good alternative?
Absolutely, especially given that a lot of it is based on open source technology such as RISCV. Similarly, China is releasing open models like DeepSeek while US companies are pursuing closed service approach.
Ah yes, let’s just ignore the authoritarianism and fascism because it’s open source :3
Edit: /s
Authoritarianism isn’t a fucking thing. And China isn’t fascist in any meaningful sense of the word. Why the fuck are you carrying water for the American Empire and siding against the country that every imperialist is currently salivating over destroying?
Pont exactly where I “carried water for the American Empire”
“let’s just ignore the authoritarianism and fascism because it’s open source :3”
How is this not making the empires argument for them?
Your parroting of imperialist talking points and language.
So in order to not be carrying water for the U.S. I need to disagree with literally everything they say?
I’m not parroting. All words and opinions are mine.
I’m not parroting. All words and opinions are mine.
I’m not parroting. All words and opinions are mine.
You are a product of very effective propaganda, so effective you think you came up with those ideas on your own.
Your words and opinions are a regurgitation of ancient red scare propaganda. They are easy to recognize when you actually learn (or really, unlearn) how language and narratives have been crafted against the left. You have no knowledge of this so you believe your language, which could be lifted from the mouth of a genocidal US general in the 60s (or a racist anarchist in the 30s!), is actually your own unique idea and not something you have absorbed from your context - your upbringing, your education, your social circle, and the media you are exposed to.
Again, you know basically nothing here. You tacitly admit it with every obvioua fib. Just be honest and ask questions instead of trying to fight when you have tied both of your own hands behind your back.
They are not yours, they have been given to you. They were presented to you, already made, and you accepted them.
When you’re in hexbear you better come heavy with materialist analysis and citations or dont come at all.
Your earlier mention about bias indicators should have come with a link at the very least.
point your fucking hog, nerd
7h later, no nerd hog :(
The US is fascist. China actually has a democracy.
- Agreed
- No lol
At no point did I praise the U.S. why are y’all thinking I did.
What do you know about the government of the PRC? Have you read about whole process people’s democracy? I’m sure you’ve investigated it thouroghly since you’re making definitive statements about it. Could you please be specific about why you don’t view the system in China as a democracy.
No real freedom of speech.
I could throw this same bad argument back at you about the United States.
Freedom of speech isn’t a real thing lmao.
The US kidnaps people and imprisons them in cruel conditions if they have soccer tattoos.
The FBI sent letters to MLK Jr. telling him to end his own life.
The US stole indigenous land by writing deals they would break.
China did what? Give free education? Crush a cult (Falun Gong) lift 800 million people out of poverty as defined by the World Bank
Freedom of speech does not exist anywhere and is an idealist myth constructed for the purpose of western imperialist chauvinism. This is why it is easy for people here to clock your liberalism.
In what way do people in China not have freedom of speech?
I’m gonna go yell “Fire” in a crowded theatre and see what happens
I thought we were talking about China and not the US kiddo.
Since when is China fascist in any sense of the word?
Maybe if we’re referring to white terror-era Republic Of China.
Better than having FAANG+ dominate the human species.
I thought competition was a good thing?
Honestly agreed.
But that’s not what the alternative is. That’s not what’s happening in the U.S, at least currently.
Also agreed only within what China currently is. Not what it could become.
China already sells surveillance equipment to willing buyers in the EU and Asia. Pakistan’s Chinese weaponry has already shown itself.
Governments already seek China’s level of authority, it’s the only way forward.
