OK, next question: Let’s say we do a ‘recount’ at this hour, assuming the evidence isn’t already lost, what then?
Think he’s going to go, ohh my bad?
Think he’s going to leave willingly?
Think the court case will even be appropriately handled once it goes to the SCOTUS.
Think the SCOTUS will even hear it?
How is it 100 days later, we just now hear about this?
I think the best outcome would be that it might uncover deliberate malfeasance that might prompt some folks in congress to do what is needed. I wouldn’t be optimistic though.
Slightly more likely is that such discovery would drive the public towards a congressional swing away from his enablers at the next congressional election next year, assuming we have it. I’m moderately more optimistic on that, apparently such a swing is already forming, but to what extent isn’t clear.
We can’t undo the election results, the congressional count done on jan 6 is definitive.
It’s…not 100 days later. Its about 190 days later.
fair
Best case scenarios aren’t really on the table. Doesn’t mean you stop fighting.
I can see how it looks like I’m saying that I’m not advocating that at all. I just want to make sure that people understand this isn’t a direct path to change.
Even a direct admission will not change anyone’s mind. You are at best removing a couple of easy else for them to lie and say that’s not how it is. In the end they’re just going to lie and say that it’s not real.
It’ll be satisfying, It might make some already engaged people a little more engaged, But it isn’t self is not going to drive the needle we’re going to need more.
Even if this is true, I don’t think they’re going to find the number of votes to change any outcome. Didn’t Trump win by like 3 million votes? Maybe this could have flipped an electoral college vote, but would that have even mattered?
Kamala carried New York either way, it absolutely would not change anything in the EC
e: unless it led to the uncovering of widespread fraud in key swing states, but even then they wouldn’t do shit
It’s a significant assumption that this was an isolated incident.
Even if it’s not isolated, how do you move forward after this unless someone involved confesses and gives up other areas involved? Maybe they weren’t dumb enough to be this obvious in other spots.
Is that your general experience with people doing dumb things? That they only do it once?
I think something like this where the fuck up gets noticed could be done at the poll level to some extent. Orders from above how to it, and this one person or area may have just fucked it up.
So these people would probably fuck things up again, but people at a different poll could do it properly.
I don’t think it should necessarily be about overturning the election. I would like to know if our process was compromised, wouldn’t you?
It absolutely was. It means fuckall unless something is done about it.
So wait a minute here guys, you’re telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to ‘find him some votes’ in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???
Get the EFF out of here!!
Leave the Electronic Frontier Foundation out of this.
Nah it’s liberal propaganda. Anyways let’s storm the capital
Ikr? Absolutely mind blowing
This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.
Please don’t say “the lib won” the liberals in Australia are a right wing party. US paradigms are not universal, just say left or right
It doesn’t take longer. France announces the preliminary results of an election 2 hours after the polling places close.
Same in Germany
They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.
Yeah, it’s weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.
Part of the Trump brand is “Fuck you, I’ve got mine” which isn’t condusive to international coalitions.
Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.
My man stands for nothing that won’t fit into his pocket.
We can’t say that. We don’t know what would’ve happened in Canada if Trump lost.
If Trump lost:
- Trudeau might not have resigned
- if he did, Carney might not have became liberal leader
- The election probably wouldn’t have even happened yet, and the campaign likely would’ve been longer when it was.
- Every party would have run very different campaigns since the top issues wouldn’t have been US relations
A lot of things could’ve been different, but most notably:
- PP might not have run a Trump-esk populist attack campaign.
For all we know PP wouldn’t be seen as “the same MAGA threat”
Note to mention that not only are they harder to scale attacks against, manual vote counts are easier to trust, As anyone can understand the process and how it ensured that their vote counted.
No matter how well they are protected it’s hard to explain to the average person how a computer ensures their vote was counted correctly.
Oh I can think of one way to fix it… might be the only way left to us now
These data
That’s correct! Singular would be “datum”.
it’s language, if enough people get it “wrong” it’s no longer wrong.
Depends on if you’re a linguist or an English teacher. Linguists only care about effective communication. Whereas language teachers tend to focus on an arbitrary standard based on tradition and accepted academic norms
Unfortunately most people don’t have a linguistics course. Hence why the internet is full of people who think they’re “correct” but have terrible communication skills
Seems pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Like I hate the orange fuck as much as the next guy but this won’t change shit and is a waste of time that could be spent doing something better.
You do understand that if these machines were compromised, a lot more could be a well. This is the best lawsuit because there are sworn affidavits saying people voted a certain way and the results were different. Literally 0 votes.
The point is that if there was malfeasance, it was likely applied by an algorithm in a way that was meant to be non-obvious. But, if you’re applying any kind of broad vote-rigging algorithm to vote tallying equipment across the country…well you’re going to screw up in some cases.
The idea would be to first find absolute definitive proof of election fraud in one precinct. Once that’s been done, you can use those result it justify broader searches. For example, if it’s found that this one area has fraud, then the NY legislature might direct funds to do a hand recount of the whole state. And other states can do the same.
Even if it wouldn’t revert the presidential election, if fraud is found in house votes, enough blue states might be able to reverse the elections of Republican House members elected by fraud, enough to flip the balance of power in the House. Plus definitive proof of fraud would immediately make Trump lose all political legitimacy, regardless of whether there is any actual legal mechanism to remove a president from power after being proven to be fraudulently elected…well any mechanism beyond the broken impeachment mechanism.
Does this mean libs will stop blaming voters?
You mean blaming leftists?
They won’t. They can’t even blame the person who’s job it is to be a popular candidate with polices that interest the voting public to win.
I believe most of the blame was on non-voters.
Same difference really.
Edit: Seems I was not very clear, I am saying its equally as stupid (and destructive) for a party to blame voters as it is to blame non voters. You know since you tend to win elections by having more people vote for you then the other guys so villainizing and alienating voters/potential voters seems counter productive.
After HitlerPig’s 2025 State of the Union speech, new Democratic senator Elissa Slotkin gave the Democratic response, and tried to sell the idea that millions of people in her state voted for her for Senator, but Trump for president.
This past weekend, Amy Klobuchar tried to sell that same fantasy on Meet The Press - that millions in her state voted for her, but also voted for HitlerPig.
I’m sure there are a few people who split their vote, but they have to be as rare as white squirrels. There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I’ve never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president. It sounds ridiculous when you actually say it.
I mean, I’m going to remain skeptical of widespread fraud until proven otherwise. The thing that people keep forgetting is that almost all states have some random spot checks built into their vote-counting process. Just as a matter of regular course, they’ll randomly select a certain number of ballots and compare the hand-counted and machine-counted results.
Also, fuck Trump, but I don’t really see anything odd about the idea that far more people would vote for Trump than a Republican Senate candidate. Trump’s whole shtick is getting low-propensity politically disengaged people to vote for him. And look at how low Congress’s approval ratings are. A fair number of people coming out just to vote for Trump is not unreasonable.
There are supposed to be millions of them, so many that HitlerPig even won EVERY battleground state (an exceptionally unlikely outcome), but I’ve never heard one actual voter claim they voted a straight Democratic ticket, except HitlerPig for president.
If you look at the actual vote counts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election_in_Michigan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_Senate_election_in_Michigan
Trump | 2,816,636
Harris | 2,736,533
Slotkin | 2,712,686
Rogers | 2,693,680
Harris and Slotkin net out almost perfectly. Trump outran Rogers by over 3% of the vote, which suggests people were showing up to support Mr Cheeto and then leaving the rest of the ballot blank.
That is… not unbelievable. The Trump Cult is strong, while the GOP as a party lags Trump’s personality cult substantially.
Polling gets even worse in other Midwestern states, with Harris outright underwater to her down ballot Dems. But there’s nobody in the GOP Trump doesn’t outpace. The idea that people are voting Trump + Dem is far less likely than voting Trump + Nobody.
Citing the vote counts to prove the point that the election was “fair & square” is like using the Bible to prove that God is real. Of course they prove HitlerPig won, they’re rigged! We’re supposed to believe he won EVERY swing state? No Republican has won the popular vote since 1988, but we’re supposed to believe the least popular Republican president in decades, one who actually LOST his reelection by a wide margin, is the guy to break that streak? Ridiculous.
What makes more sense to me, and is supported by the evidence and personal statements by the players themselves, is that they rigged the election, especially in the swing states, assisted by the richest man in the world (and his army of some of the best tech experts in the world), and Putin, who we know has been actively pursuing cyber-espionage for years.
When will people internalize that the two biggest FOREIGN Sociopathic Oligarchs, one with a government superpower at his disposal, another with the largest fortune on the planet, neither with any loyalty or patriotism toward America, have partnered up with the most prolific traitor in American history, to exploit our country in every way possible? None of them care about history or legacy or reputation, they see America as a rich, fat, lazy target, ripe for exploitation and looting.
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The case the election is rigged is also based on citing the purportedly fraudulent election results.
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Republicans won the popular vote in 2024.
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The swing state results are not independent variables. They usually swing together.
Is it possible the election was rigged? Sure. But the evidence so far is pretty weak.
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For the uninitiated: The Alt-Right Playbook’s “You Go High, We Go Low”
“Treat the situation like it’s fair… because that’s what they should have done when it actually was”
To paraphrase Bush v Gore over negative votes in Florida after the SC sent the case to a lower court and it was appealed back to them
it’s been so long since the election that it would be unfair to change the outcome now
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Basic human deceny is a foreign concept to you, aint it…
no, but it seems that way to biden when he was in charge. How many pictures of burned babies did i see in gaza, while he was there from our missiles? how many americans are suffering now because of his lack of protecting the country
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seeing dead babies, dead children turned to ash and then seeing our politicians say it is ok will do that
Gaza is doomed. And far from my mind right now. We’ve got actual Nazis running the US which we have to deal with because nobody else is going to do it for us.
I feel sorry for you, that is an incredibly cold blooded way of looking at people, literally innicent babies at this very minute dying from hunger and parents weighing whether it is worth it to get shot by Israeli’s for trying to get any sort of food or water. I am not disregarding the US citizens that are sitting in torture prisons in other countries, they are part of the same hydra
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What did they say?
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removed by mod again, how censored is lemmy? i hold no sympathies for biden and dont think he deserves any well wishes and any pain and suffering he is experiencing is justified in with the pain and suffering he caused. Maybe unpopular opinion, but half the opinions here are offensive to some people, is lemmy just a more sensitive reddit?
Read the sidebar. No celebrating death, advocating violence. The rules are there. Wishing death and pain on anyone, including Biden, is a removable offense.
I did not wish death on anybody, and it does not mention anything about pain. You are twisting the words in the rules to keep your feeling from being infringed. I have not advocated violence either. I have been called a ton of slurs and had hateful speech directed at me, which it seems is permissible as long as it promotes group think that is not uncomfortable.
I am not violating any rule and you need to take some time and read the dictionary and understand what the words you used actually means
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ahh, how so? is there no one you wish ill of? if so, mine is far more justified. Se la vie, people still reward failure for some reason
I dont like coward, liars and people entrusted with the protection of me and mine do nothing with the trust except squander it so his crackhead son can get a pardon and the kids for cash judge too. I calls them as I sees them, and its hard to argue with my stance with the direct result of his failures as pres are contributing to an active genocide and the destruction of the american democracy and human rights, what is wrong with you is the question
You are the problem with America right now. You’re out of your mind about things you clearly don’t understand. We’ve entered idiocracy and you’re just busy being a screeching parrot eh?
Why don’t you go search your soul and try to find it
ahhh, how so? how am i wrong? biden putting a republican at the doj to protect trump, failing his campaign promises, or the baby burning missiles he kept sending to the genocide Israel is commiting at this very moment.
I am the problem with America? maybe but it is not far from the least of them especially since the America failed the minute we allowed a violent convicted rapist insurrectionist go unpunished and get elected with the express purpose of hurting the most vulnerable in society
so we just remove things if they are upsetting? thats even worse than reddit
Pity for you and your poor soul
I dont have a soul, but i do feel consolation that if the heaven biden believes in exists, he aint getting in
The heaven Biden believes in:
“Forgive me father for I have sinned, I drone striked an entire region in the middle east to massive amounts of collateral damage and sent billions of dollars in weapons to Israel to be used against Palestinians.”
“Say 3 Hail Marys and one Our Father and you are forgiven.”
idk, the bible i have read seems a bit like a fairy tail and if you look at what that diety actually did and not what his various phophets since moses have tried to revisio -, that god is not a forgiving god. You cant just keep spinning up new churches to suit your ideal version of god and expect credulity.
You cant just keep spinning up new churches to suit your ideal version of god and expect credulity.
You literally set the criteria as “the heaven Biden believes in”. You’re just arguing with yourself.
yeah i know, its a petty hope anyway and its based on make believe to begin with. Just really hate how instead of doing anything with his presidency he just hurt people with his failures, ineptitude and denial about his lack of capacity for the job. He got what he wanted and noped out leaving people that supported him worse off
This stuff has been going on for a loooong time:
Interview with Stephen Spoonamore on of the electronic voting issues that have been raised for a while now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRW3Bh8HQic
if you want to jump right to his explanation/comparison to his work with securing credit card transactions against “man in the middle” attacks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BRW3Bh8HQic#t=873
The filing also includes the revealing deposition of the late Michael Connell. Connell served as the IT guru for the Bush family and Karl Rove. Connell ran the private IT firm GovTech that created the controversial system that transferred Ohio’s vote count late on election night 2004 to a partisan Republican server site in Chattanooga, Tennessee owned by SmarTech. That is when the vote shift happened, not predicted by the exit polls, that led to Bush’s unexpected victory. Connell died a month and a half after giving this deposition in a suspicious small plane crash.
Additionally, the filing contains the contract signed between then-Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell and Connell’s company, GovTech Solutions. Also included that contract a graphic architectural map of the Secretary of State’s election night server layout system.
Cliff Arnebeck, lead attorney in the King Lincoln case, exchanged emails with IT security expert Stephen Spoonamore. Arnebeck asked Spoonamore whether or not SmarTech had the capability to “input data” and thus alter the results of Ohio’s 2004 election. Spoonamore responded: “Yes. They would have had data input capacities. The system might have been set up to log which source generated the data but probably did not.”
Spoonamore explained that “they [SmarTech] have full access and could change things when and if they want.”
Arnebeck specifically asked “Could this be done using whatever bypass techniques Connell developed for the web hosting function.” Spoonamore replied “Yes.”
Breakdown of why Electronic voting in general is incredibly insecure:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI
Documentary going into Clint Curtis’s story:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBtfiRKaVY
(the guy from this video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs
Fractional Voting:
http://blackboxvoting.org/fraction-magic-1/
HBO documentary Hacking Democracy:
In the 2000 election cycle, electronic voting machines manufactured by Diebold used Microsoft Access as the underlying database for storing vote counts. Only techie oldheads will remember this, but in the world of electronic data storage Access was basically a toy. Access databases did have an audit table (which tracks every change made to the data), but the audit table was hand-editable.
So on one hand: Harris won NY State by a 10% margin.
On the other hand: if vote machines were tampered with then it likely doesn’t stop there.
Felon practically admitted this last week.
The guy said the Democrats would control the House and even gave numbers for the Republicans in the Senate. What more do people need?
Yeah, this isn’t really about that one specific district. It’s about all the other districts that were also likely tampered with.
Trump didn’t even try to get elected. Total fuck it all pill during his running like he knew he was going to win, then he wins by a huge margin electorally and the popular vote. It was surreal.
If only there was a give movement of Democrat voters telling you loudly WE WON’T VOTE FOR HARRIS…
You guys usually love to blame us for Trump, even though we promised you he would win if you didn’t give us an electable candidate, but hey if you now want to change stories again to follow whatever dem narrative is being spun today, then yeah her winning NY so bigly is obviously evidence of a stolen election…
Or she wasn’t electable. No no no, it’s everyone else’s fault.
Sometimes you have to just suck it up and act/vote to reduce harm. That’s called reality. It’s like taking chemo if you have a fatal cancer. Chemo SUCKS and you might die of cancer anyway, but if you don’t go through it, you will certainly die.
really are some full kool aid dems or paid posters here, you would think biden failing every campaign promise, and protecting trump from prosecution would cause him a little more scorn. Trump was a known quantity, Joe was who was elected to deal with that and he absolutely dropped the ball about as hard as any other person in that office could have. Like i cant think of a way he could have sabotaged his party even if he wanted to intentionally do it rather than as an abject failure of a man
yup, they kicked out Hogg because of the threat to their lifelong tenures and disrupt their ability to put their thumbs on the scale for the most disappointing republican lite candidates the isreali money wants the dnc to run
This enraged me. Totally enraged me. I am surprised he’s not running again just to shove it down their corrupt throats.
they only people that the dems are good at fighting are their popular names trying to promote change
Who was an electable candidate in 2024?
Maybe if we had a primary, we might have found one, don’t you think?
Sure.
But the Democrats decided not to hold a primary that late, and I don’t recall any Democrats running a meaningful challenge to her candidacy…
So, let me ask again. Who was an electable candidate in 2024?
Pete B with Tim W probably would have done significantly better even with the gay handicap with the homophobes. Especially if he got more of a running start.
Not a perfect candidate, but I think a lot of people underestimate how many people truly dislike Harris. For legitimate reasons and otherwise. Running a black woman who a lot of people genuinely didn’t connect with against Trump was goofy. It sucks that it’s the way it is but this is America.
I’m very much against conspiracy theories, especially concerning our elections which are administered by many many independent entities. I was very concerned as I watched electronic voting machines - especially without paper trails - become more and more popular over the past 30 years. Even more as the industry consolidated and it came down to a handful of private, for-profit manufacturers.
The thing I’ve read about that is keeping the door of conspiracy open in my mind is the “drop off” rate, which has to do with the number of “President only” ballots, where only the President is chosen, and no down ballot votes are cast.
Apparently Trump’s ballots have an unusually high - like statistically unlikely - drop off. And it’s either only in or mostly in/more pronounced in swing states.
Even Chris Titus picked it up (3 hrs total, sorry)
https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs - Part 1 https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0 - Part 2
Thanks for the links, I’ll check them out
I always had a feeling that the election was a bit too quickly decided. I’ve said before that in the coming months and years after the 2024 election we would find out something fishy was happening.
I’m tired of going high when they go low.
If the new standard is for Republicans to cast doubt on the legitimacy of every election, except for the ones they win, then we should, at the very least, be scrutinizing every single aspect of the election. Refuse to concede, demand recounts, hand tally the electronic ballots, search up and down and under every rock for evidence that the other side is guilty of some foul play.
Because if they had done that in the first place, they might have uncovered shit like this before it was too late to stop the wrong candidate from getting inaugurated. If they had bothered to put up a fight instead of maintaining decorum that the Republicans never bother to show, maybe they would have discovered what many of us already suspected - that Elon Musk somehow tampered with the voting machines to swing the election in Donald Trump’s favor in key swing states. They practically admitted as much on stage, and nobody batted an eye at it.
I don’t expect to ever live to see another fair election for the rest of my life.
100%!
That’s honestly what got me too. Like it took a week for them to get all of the results from 2020, and sure, that could’ve been all the mail in ballots, but then you have Rogan saying elongated muskrat had called the election the night OF voting?
I don’t know man. I’ve seen a few elections now and don’t remember that happening.
Agreed it’s very fishy I don’t wanna sound like a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist but if it quacks like a duck then it’s a duck.
If you have a few hours to kill, this podcast had the guy from election truth alliance on. It is the most tolerable of the few podcasts he’s appeared on because this guy is data heavy, and quite frankly it can be boring with how much he talks about data and graphs, but the data is there. They are very data driven. Part 2 has most of the data, but essentially votes went way up for Republicans as time went on. Statistically speaking, there should be a similar distribution of votes throughout, but what we see is any time Kamala gets close, a flood of red votes come in. The theory is a vote switching algorithm. Imo Elon saying that without him the Dems get the presidency and the house is not hyperbole. I’m pretty sure they were flipping votes and/ or using data from the super PAC $100 giveaway to file fake votes. There are a bunch of submitted ballots that were down ballot dem, but president and house / Senate (the ones that mattered the most) went to Republicans. The only way to find out is to do audits. And even if (and imo when) we do find out it was stolen, I don’t think we have any recourse to remove him, but it would be nice to know that we didn’t choose this, and the states can beef up their election security and politicians can stop being so spineless thinking that he’s so popular and they are powerless.
The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There’s no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.
His rallies were empty and Harris had the momentum with a packed house everywhere she went. She mopped the floor with him in the debate. The fact that she accepted the results and didn’t push for a single recount was asinine imo. With Trump, everything is projection. There’s evidence they tried to steal '20 and we’re just overwhelmed by the sheer volume of people who voted by mail to oust him. Vote by mail is typically hand counted and harder to alter.
The guy was dancing around like a crazy person to Ave Maria at his last rally and yelling about people eating cats and dogs on the debate. There’s no way anyone saw that and wanted that running the country save the maybe 8% of the population that are Trump Simps.
You overestimate this country.
I will definitely watch this I love Titus.
Sure but Harris already win NY, so it doesn’t affect anything
It doesn’t change anything in New York… And … In before the flood of other like cases.
Yep, if the machines were tampered with in NY, a relatively liberal bastion, what the fuck does that mean for the swing states?
What did Trump say about Elon’s computer knowledge winning the election again?
He always admits the truth if you know how to look for it. (Trump that is)
I think the stupidity of the electorate is being vastly underestimated here.
Most likely a mix of everything. I am sure that Republicans tried to win with illegal (vote tampering) and legal (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc…) methods. Combined with a dumbass population, everything is possible.
I do believe people were calling me alarmist for noticing strange patterns.
Like winning all 7 swing states? Your fucking kidding me right?
It is weird but how do you explain that it was a global phenomenon?
Also not surprising that investigations weren’t pushed harder after election and before new administration. Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election. Did they? No. Surprised? Not at all.
Transitions shouldn’t necessarily be smooth if an election was potentially fraudulent — peaceful, yes.
Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election.
For that matter, Obama should have conducted an investigation into the 2016 election when he still had the power to do so.
Don’t EVER mention that piece of shit quisling coward Merrick Garland without also cursing him ever again.
Wild that that dude was almost a SCOTUS justice.
Still would have been better than Brett Fucking Beerboy. Not much better, but better.
Considering how much of a strangle the right has over most media, I didn’t consider it surprising. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was rigged though.
If Trump had been blowing people out like Reagan did Mondale, ok, but the races were close.
Why didn’t the democrats demand hand recounts when the election was initially called? It felt like they all just rolled over and accepted defeat.
Because they didn’t want to be perceived as doing the same thing as the Republicans after the 2020 election. After complaining about the Republicans not having a “peaceful transfer of power,” Dems thought it was important to demonstrate how that works, and be smug about it.
Unfortunately, this was precisely the wrong election to make that point, since this election truly was rat fucked by MAGA.
I’ve thought about that. But that seems like a terrible strategy, because it lets the Republicans do anything. The Republicans do a bad thing, or accuse you of doing a bad thing, and now you’re incapable of responding to it?
But that seems like a terrible strategy…
I mean… we are talking about the Democrats. That’s almost their motto.
basically sums up Biden’s whole presidency
Yes, it’s a terrible strategy, but it’s the easiest one to default to if you are a cowardly spineless weenie Democrat who is afraid to confront serious treason and corruption, like Chuck Schumer. Traditional Dems are satisfied with losing, as long as they can feel smug about being morally superior while doing it, even if it means watching the Reps systematically dismantle America on behalf of the Russians.
We need elected representatives at every level who aren’t afraid to go to battle to defend our country from treasonous criminals and Sociopathic Oligarchs.
Because they were following their billionaire overlord’s orders? Because they are controlled opposition?
No fuckin idea. Didn’t make sense then, either. We were so afraid to look like the crazy MAGAs. Their tactic worked.
“Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do”
Not actually a quite from Goebbels or Marx, but the Republican guiding principle nonetheless.
Accuse your enemy of what you intend to do
It’s ironic that Hitler’s “Night of the Long Knives” (when the Nazis arrested and eventually murdered numerous brownshirts and their leader, Ernst Roehm) acquired that name because Hitler himself used the expression in a speech that he gave immediately after the event. In the speech, he accused Roehm of having been planning a “NIght of the Long Knives” himself, directed at Hitler and the other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the phrase came to describe Hitler’s actions.
Probably same reason they just gave up in Gore v Bush.
They didn’t give up. The supreme Court decided Bush won Florida, without a recount.
Gore then conceded without continuing to fight, to help the county heal. Because actual fighting to win would be bad
Yes, but then he un-conceded. How do you think it got to the Supreme Court unless he fought?
He brought it to the Florida circuit court, and when he lost he appealed to the Florida Supreme Court, who ruled in his favor. Then Bush appealed to the US Supreme Court.
The problem was a coordinated effort to steal the election by the bitch queen Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State and Bush’s Florida campaign co-chair, a fake riot by Republican operatives to disrupt a recount, and a collaborating Supreme Court. It was all tied up nicely in a bow and there wasn’t much Gore could have done, although he should have requested a statewide recount right from the start instead of just cherry picking solidly Democratic-leaning counties like Miami-Dade.
He only conceded after that…
https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/algore2000concessionspeech.html
He initially called Bush to concede and then called him back to un-concede, which really pissed off Bush. That’s what I was referring to. It wasn’t public, though.
As Trump has shown us quite clearly, it doesn’t really matter what the Supreme Court says.
That was the acceleration point of the downward slide we’d been on since Reagan.
Others clearly have their pitch forks ready to go but the real reason here is because they won NY. I’d be shocked if any presidential candidate in the history of the US demanded a recount in a state they won.
Is 0 votes suspicious? Absolutely. Is the recount process the right way to uncover something happening at a scale to compromise an entire district’s election process? Probably not.
According to Balletpedia, it’s unclear who in NY even pays for a voluntary recount (NY has mandatory recounts in close elections).
However suspicious this district is, it’s not justification for a recount in another district in a completely different state.
If there is interference at a meaningful scale, it’s not going to be uncovered by volunteers working without sleep to deliver election results as quickly as humanly possible. The wheels of justice turn far top slowly.
A lawsuit is a good first step.
Because they’re in on it too.
because that’s what the left does unless it’s against their own. it’s infuriating to watch the party fight itself harder than it’ll fight the opposition
lol, democrafts are left??
To be clear, the DNC is fighting against its constituents. This is Washington politicians and funders vs. the people. Sad to say, Washington is winning.
