Edit: Surprised at all the vegans in this thread. I didn’t think there were so many of you. I’m glad you care so much about animal rights, that you’re willing to forego eating them and using products made from them. If you’re not vegan and have moral objections for this, maybe you should look at yourself first and all the animal abuse you sanction by eating animals and using animal products. Did you know dairy cows have to be pregnant to produce milk? They’re artificially inseminated throughout most of their lives. I hope everyone complaining about this also complains about ice cream and cheese. Or else they would be hypocrites who just want to blame others but never look at themselves.
Maybe I don’t have to stop drinking after all…
A truly pragmatic take away
Yeah, I’m wondering if I can pre-order
It takes time to grow, so you better!
You made me snort into my whiskey glass
I like the way you think! finishes beer and grabs another
So people kill animals for fun, but when someone suggests using animals to save lives it’s evil?
Fix things in logical order and hopefully by then we’ll have developed other solutions that do not depend on animals. But don’t fight against progress when there are so many horrible and useless things that are allowed at the same time, pick your fights efficiently.
Farming pigs in ultra tiny spaces with horrible conditions where some of them die before getting brutally slaughtered to have cheap meat which is not necessary for human nutrition anymore, just tasty - totally fine
Farming pigs and treating them very well so that they grow healthy organs for terminally sick humans to then kill them in a controlled and anesthesized setting - how dare you
Fuck it. Both good.
People just want to be heard.
I feel like contrarians exist because they feel more powerful going against the grain then going along with it.
Am I the only one who thinks it’s fucked up to experiment on animals who can’t consent to this? We place so much emphasis on people being the most important thing in the world, we forgot that we are part of the ecosystem too.
This is and will always be small potatoes in terms of the suffering we put relatively intelligent animals through every day.
We would need to slaughter probably 100,000 animals yearly for the US organ demand (at ~50,000 transplants per year and a buffer).
We slaughter 125 MILLION pigs in the US for consumption a year.
Not to mention that “medical grade” pigs will probably be given a golden ticket in terms of care until they are slaughtered, compared to the extremely abysmal environment millions live in today.
If animal welfare is important to you, scientific research is a poor use of advocating resources while we still eat hundreds of pounds of meat yearly. If advocates reduce meat consumption by even a percent or two it would generally greatly outweigh banning animal based research entirely.
Sure, but the article isn’t about the inhumane treatment of our industrial meat production facilities. I’m well aware of them. And I want those gone too.
Good thing you’re not consuming or using animal products, then. Or else you’d be a hypocrite.
Always with the you can’t participate in society and criticize it argument. It’s pathetic.
I mean, you can participate in society without eating meat. Lol.
Unless you were talking to someone else?
You can’t tell anyone to stop eating meat if you eat meat
Edit: Or else you’d be a hypocrite
Sure I can.
Animal testing isn’t ideal but for important medical advances, animal testing is the only way to demonstrate safety before human trials. At some point, you have to value the life of a human more than mice.
And some of the testing is fun. Like when they give them a buzzer to get more drugs. Lab rats definitely consent to more cocaine.
Confirmed, cocaine is lab rat approved.
I don’t value a humans life more.
Then maybe we should eat you instead of the pig!
Mmmmm, longpig
I will never understand how wanting to treat intelligent creatures with dignity is controversial.
Seriously? Who even talks like this…
It’s not controversial, most people think it’s stupid. Controversial would be if so many people agreed with you that it would polarize the society. Which you might think is what happens, but it’s really not.
Most people know that a human’s life is more valuable than an animal’s and think you guys are a little crazy. Treating them with dignity is fine by me, but pretending they’re on the same level as us is not.
It’s not stupid just because you think it is. Doctors also used to think that washing their hands between surgeries was unnecessary.
Point is, just because I value live in general and don’t think humans are necessarily more valuable than anything else doesn’t make it crazy.
I’m not saying it’s a universal truth, you may have noticed I used words like “think”. To me you guys are crazy and I think it’s very stupid. But I never claimed it’s a universal truth.
Feel free to volunteer for testing then.
Not even the hot ones? Hot people are pretty valuable.
I mean, you’re probably not the only one who thinks anything.
That said, do you eat meat? If so, the meat and dairy industries systematically do egregious things to millions of animals every day.
Dude if I can preorder a whole pig with a replacement set of lungs too ….
Dinner and an upgrade?
Bacon and breathing
I limit my meat consumption, and I don’t drink milk. Not a 100% vegetarian, but it’s better than nothing. One of these days I’ll decide to be a vegetarian again.
So, you’re eating meat and being all hypocritical about others.
Do you eat cheese or other dairy products?
Everyone is rushing in here to say it’s fine because we eat meat too. But I find this whole thing g very revealing of attitudes we usually just don’t think about. We’d never farm organs in human embryos because GASP consent and GASP sanctity of life. But we’ll farm organs cross species, which is surely more difficulty, because we’re so comfortable doing all that to animals.
You can take the perspective that it’s fine because meat. Or you can use this to take a second look at eating meat and suddenly it seems pretty fucked up.
I eat meat. Am not talking down to anyone. I just do actually think about the ethics.
I take the perspective that it’s fine because human life is more important and valuable than animal life.
Same reason we should eradicate most mosquitos on the planet to end malaria
That’s not a perspective though, it’s a bald assertion. “It’s fine because we’re important” is like saying “it’s fine because it’s fine,” or more to the point “it’s fine because I say so.”
What makes us important?
A lot of people don’t seem to understand that their logic is circular. Ask someone why they chose the car they did, and half of them will say “well it’s the one I wanted.”
Animals are things and humans are people.
You’re allowed to devalue your own existence all you want but anyone entertaining the idea that all life is equal is fundamentally stupid in my opinion
You’ve graduated from bald assertions and circular logic to ad hominems.
It’s ironic what a shit job you’re doing of demonstrating our higher functions and supposed superiority.
“HUMAN GOOD! NOT HUMAN BAD.”
Have a great day there, Socrates.
Not bad, just not as valuable as a human.
Even if that claim is true, it can still be bad to eat them.
It’s just another version of the food chain
It’s definitely fucked up. It reminds me of the WKUK breakfast pig sketch.
Yeah, but you see; the animals are useful in a new way so ethics doesn’t matter. We’ll worry about that in 50 years when we no longer need them to grow new organs for us
We’ll worry about that in 50 years when we no longer need them to grow new organs for us
Yes that would be appropriate.
I would see a million pigs die before one human.
How many pigs would be too many? What is the precise pig to human exchange rate?
That’s basically the attitude that is resulting in the 6th mass extinction right now.
Pigs are in no danger of extinction.
And wanting to preserve natural ecosystems does not imply wanting to improve the treatment of livestock. Incidentally, the end of meat consumption would most likely lead to the extinction of multiple species of livestock.
We brought pigs into existence for the benefit of human conditions, we will take them out of it if and when it becomes necessary.
I agree. We should be experimenting on prisoners.
Well that’s just insane.
I agree. We should be experimenting on schoolchildren.
The comment section is laughable. I hope none of you or your loved ones will need an organ transplant in the future, since it’s better to be put on a waiting list and cross your fingers that you won’t die before an organ is available, since cattle is oh-so-important and precious.
Cattle are important and precious. There are already immoral practices brought by capitalism while raising animals for slaughter. This doesn’t imply that it’s moral to now bring an animal to life just to steal its organs as well.
Organ transplant can be achieved artificially by just developing the organs themselves in the lab. There already has been work done in that regard.
important and precious
They’d literally be extinct if not for domestication. They evolved to be slow, stupid, and delicious
They were literally force breed by humans. They did not “evolve” to be like that.
Gonna play a drinking game with all the people who don’t understand that force breeding does indeed evolve a creature.
One drink for every person confidently stating inaccuracies about this. So far I’m at 4.
Going to a cookout, so the beers will go great with the burgers.
That is literally evolution.
No, it is (artificial) selection but not evolution.
Artificial selection is a potential mechanism of evolution.
Artificial Evolution is still Evolution. Selective breeding and genetic manipulation just speed it up a few thousand years.
No, it’s breeding. Maybe brush up on your biology buddy.
Stupidity clearly doesn’t belong only in cattle.
Yeah it also belongs to vegans
I’m not going to say this is immoral but it does reveal how little we care about animals when we are willing to farm organs across species, which has got to be more difficult. It’s something we would never consider doing with humans but will be willing to bend over backward to do with animals., and then vociferously defend it online. It’s just revealing, that’s all. Animals have zero moral standing in our society. None.
Weird take, it’s like you’re conflating acceptable losses and apathy.
Scientists would use human embryos, if given the ability to. Unfortunately there are people who believe that life happens the moment a man injects his baby batter into a woman’s love tunnel.
These are why people kill animals for this, not because they “don’t give a shit about animals”.
Very weird. It’s like you told me I was wrong and then repeated what I said. There’s an obviously massive difference in value placed on humans and animals here. Is that less confusing?
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English degree here, chief. Writing is a two way communication, and you failed to make your point.
Why don’t you illuminate the big difference between acceptable losses and apathy, since that is the only thing you seem to want to have a point about. And don’t just define the two, one after the other. This will be on the test.
Everything else you said is just “it’s not that we don’t give a fuck about animals, we just give a fuck about humans.” Which, in the end, amounts to the same thing.
Your point: people don’t care about animals!
My point: people do care about animals, religious people get in the way.
Your degree doesn’t matter.
We would absolutely consider doing this with humans. We actually DO this with humans. Skin grafts, organ transplants.
Yeah, I don’t really take meat-eaters seriously when they complain about animal rights abuses.
They clearly don’t care, or else they wouldn’t be eating meat, lol.
Counterpoint: It is possible to be a person who consumes meat while also caring that the meat they are consuming is sourced ethically (e.g. not raised in confinement, humanely slaughtered with as little pain inflicted as possible, etc.).
If you asked the average consumer if they cared whether or not the meat that they were buying is abuse-free, I’d say 99% of them would say that they do in fact care, but the meat industry does everything in it’s power to obfuscate the process so they can keep up their cost-saving abusive tactics to save a few pennies.
You can have humanely sourced meat. There’s a vast difference between “wow Tyson is a fucking horrible company, don’t buy their chicken” and “wow this local farm/butcher really fucking did a good job”.
Death is a part of life. The problem with the meat industry is overconsumptiom. Not with killing animals for meat.
Do meat animals live long? Also, how many meat animals are from “local farms”?
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devils advocate.
I hope aliens are real and they choose you to pump out more organs because theirs failed from all the shit they eat so this way they can keep doing unhealthy things. Because there’s plenty of selfish people out there who chose to damage their bodies.
it’s not fair that some random fucking animal gets to be brought onto the earth solely for the purpose of your fat fucking ass who can’t stop shoving burgers down your face.
Yes I did ignore legitimate uses for this sort of thing because no shit some people actually need organs at no fault of their own and no, I’m not talking about animals being used for food because that’s not the topic.
it’s not fair that some random fucking animal gets to be brought onto the earth solely for the purpose of your fat fucking ass who can’t stop shoving burgers down your face.
You know that people’s organs also fail due to disease and cancer, right?
Clearly didn’t read what I said lmfao
It’s hypocritical though to be against slaughtering animals for organs but be okay with animals being slaughtered for food. I’d argue killing animals for food is even worse because it’s unnecessary.
I can’t argue about dietary findings as the gut is still a very much unknown environment which includes things like digestion and nutrient processing and I know very little on that topic frankly
I can argue however that needing a new liver because you’re a drunk and feeding your child some chicken are two veeeery different needs. Some people do need these organs, that’s fine. What I’m not fine with is knowing damn well man will abuse this shit and abuse the animals where as food is a consistent need not a resultant need.
Humans truly are the monsters in this story.
Living people is more important than dead animals.
Plus, every new kidney comes with a side of bacon. How can you resist a deal like that?
I think you are proving OP right.
If OP is an ethical vegan, then they have a point. Everyone else needs to get over themselves.
No vegan has a point if they’re opposed to growing new human organs.
Human lives are more valuable than any animal’s life.
That’s a judgement call. I mean, I agree, but it’s not objectively true.
Sure, but that’s my opinion, and thankfully the opinion of the overwhelming majority of people.
Veganism is stupid
Eh… why do you care enough to have an opinion about them? Do you know a lot of pushy vegans? If yes, the problem isn’t veganism, it’s pushy jerks.
Veganism is fine because I’m not vegan so I don’t care.
And why is that? Why attach value which can be compared to living species? I dislike such kind of ethical system. This is a flawed absolutist argument.
I like that commenters keep saying animals as if that blanket term doesn’t include humans. Anyone who thinks people aren’t animals is not worth arguing with.
this is a flawed absolutist argument
animals and humans are equal
Lol
eats bacon cheeseburger
Taking context from your other comments: no I don’t eat animal products.
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Could you imagine if we extended the life span of every person on earth by 30 years? We would be so fucked population wise. Plus we already have issues supporting our elderly population, what happens a couple decades later, when the average age of the retired is 95? Capitalism would need to be entirely restructured… to the point where it is no longer Capitalism.
No we wouldn’t. The earth isn’t overpopulated with humans.
We just choose to be inefficient with our resources so as few people as possible can live as lavish a life as possible.
And you think extending people’s lives will change that, or somehow make that equation better? If anything it would just be used to literally put people back into indentured servitude just to stay alive.
I’d still prefer growing headless human clones for parts, but this is good enough.
I’m all for this, but this comments section is crazy. Huge ratios for both sides.
The article says embryos so I don’t think it’s living animals being tested on, that being said it’s also China, so fuck knows what other sorts of inhumane stuff is going on that isn’t being talked about.
No ManBearPig mentions yet? Half man, half bear, half pig?
No, it’s half bear and half man pig
Correction: It’s 1/3 man, 1/3 bear, 1/3 pig.
God forbid pigs learn fractions.
don’t miss out your monthly payment.
The pigoons said they would leave your garden alone if you stopped hunting them.
Man, I have ALWAYS wished outloud “I wish we humans has spare parts, so I can replace my always congested nose, my fucked up knee and shoulder”. My dream is finally coming true???
Those are sadly not organs.
Well, it’s a start. I wouldn’t mind a new knee myself.
Damn.
Damn!
Some Scottish scientist has been working with 3D printing organs. I haven’t heard anything about it in a few years though. This is definitely cheaper, as he has to work with your specific stem cells and culture them to use as “ink”
The future looks bright.
Hopefully in my life time. Lol
It’s interesting that we go to all the trouble of farming human organs in animals specifically because we’re okay killing animals. Surely it would work way better to farm human organs in human embryos. But we go about it sideways because that’s how much we don’t give a shit about animals.
Weird take, it’s like you’re conflating acceptable losses and apathy.
Scientists would use human embryos, if given the ability to. Unfortunately there are people who believe that life happens the moment a man injects his baby batter into a woman’s love tunnel.
These are why people kill animals for this, not because they “don’t give a shit about animals”.
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Not if you engineer them to not have a brain
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Hey man, humans are perception. If they can’t perceive or even have the functions necessary to think, are they really alive?
If you think a ‘soul’ is born whenever an egg meets a sperm, you may have a point. It’s just… why do you believe that? What evidence do you have so other people believe it too?
If you think ‘life is sacred’ and all that nonsense, hey bro. Everytime you wash your hands you’re killing bacteria. Every time you cut the grass, guess how much death you’re causing? A lot. And I guarantee the organisms you’re killing are way more perceptive than a human embryo.
This is only a difficult discussion because a sizable amount of the population still believes in fairytales.
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I will kill you and your ilk where you stand.
Yeah… you need to calm down.
Heavy report for advocating for violence. Literally threatening to kill me. What is wrong with you? Get help.
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Great news but an absolute braindead take from most commenters here…
So what happens to the clones on The Island?
