Actually, this is what you’re fighting for in Capitalism:
Not for yourself, though, rather for a few who add up to less than 0.0000375% of Humanity.
Look man, I’m all for criticisms of capitalism, but stuff like this ain’t gonna cut it…
Yes because communist countries have ellegant urban planning 🤡
If only there were more than these two dreary instantiations of differing economic frameworks, but as alas, I know only of these two pictures.
This is the kind of socialist hellscape the capitalist is protecting us from.
Edit: Dense mixed used urban development, biking to work, walking to your nearest weekly market, buying unprocessed food for groceries and common public area easily accessible by foot for old people where they can mix with other generations.
Hmm but what if I want to make thousands of people work for me without giving any excess value created by their labour to anyone else?
Don’t you miss:
EDIT: Oh dang, people don’t like to fight for this either :(
In Yugoslavia it was actually quite the opposite. Old commie blocks in Serbia all have big green spaces around them and playgrounds, while new buildings are all built on top of each other with no room to breathe and no greenery in sight.
There are many reasons to dislike the communist regimes in Eastern Europe, but these tenements are not it. Quite a lot of people prefer to buy these sorts of apartments over newer ones simply because they are built better. Keep in mind that those in these sorts of pictures haven’t been properly maintained in years. They are 40-50 years old, it’s normal for any building that has not been taken care of to look worn down - but if the owners of these apartments put in the effort to modernise their buildings, they are very comfortable. I live in one and it’s great!
Road of Bones:
Oh, and sad old folks:
(Sorry, the app I use limits images per posts. Devs are good people, so I gladly endure the inefficiency!)
Urban sprawl, car dependency, vinyl rubbish, famine pensions.
Bottom right pic hits hard. I plan to die in some fashion long before that. Fuck planning or saving for retirement if it doesn’t matter.
In other news, Denmark raised their retirement age to 70 recently, and our conservatives in the US have been squawking about the same. LOL.
What the fuck is the point of this shit existence for anyone who can’t become rich as a celebrity or wall street psycho? 90% of us are just here so the wealthy can have yachts, Lamborghinis, and mansions.
This place sucks.
The right wing party in Australia (a few elections ago) increased retirement age but with a “rolling date”. Meaning they all get to retire on time with the earlier date but the later you were born the later your retirement age. They literally set their retirement age in stone then fucked younger generations on their way out. It’s still currently rolling out, recently increased to 67 in 2023.
(In more ways than one bit this one is particularly obvious and idk how they got away with it).
Such an old and simple antibiotic
Oh, wait! I know this one!!
No, it isn’t.
It’s so odd how much hate pop figures get, from people whose apartments are filled with anime posters and figures
I’m not into anime but I definitely think Funko pops are hideous and not cute at all
As a millennial I know what it’s like to take comfort from something that is crass commercial, and ultimately bad for the environment (looks guiltily over at Switch)…
I share your perspective, but I’m not sure how to get people to see how to do better, because I myself am manipulated by similar forces, yet all I do is grumble about it as I fork over my money for the latest so the company can sell me little bits of the wonder I felt as a child back to me.
I don’t even blame them. It’s a big circle and I’m part of it.
PS. Sorry I wrote this as the caffeine was just kicking into higher great. It might be a bit much.
In general, I think it comes down to the fact that they all just look low effort. They’re formulaic, which to someone who puts out passionate art, it’s kind of just insulting.
And as much as I hate to say it, that’s all preference. I don’t personally think they’re “wrong” or “not art”. Just not very well done or original.
It’s very much bored ape energy, yeah
well and they’ll all end up in landfill eventually.
“You don’t like this thing, yet you do like this other, different thing that falls into a vaguely same broad category. Curious.”
I’d fight for those sexy ladies too.
I’d be the filling in that Oreo.
I’m curious. What would a “communist” utopia look like?
Yeah, I’d assume we’d think it would be like star trek. But it would be radical to surf solar flares out in space.
Why would you go immediately to communism?
Here you go: https://youtu.be/PaASqPnpq5Y
I would consider communism of some sort to be the ideal and the direction we should strive for. It doesn’t have to be communism but I’ve always wondered what a purely stateless and classless society would look like. It’s just hard for me to imagine, being the animals that we are, imbibing such a society
Solarpunk
I kinda hate this pic.
- There are worse fates than living in the suburbs, lol, what? If the experience seems bland remember it’s not an infrastructure ‘problem’ but a demographics one. And bland beats ghetto -> warzone.
- You can easily opt out of consumerism, they haven’t made it illegal yet! Of course, if your life has mostly just consisted of ‘going from little kids’ toys to bigger boi toys’, that’s vacuous and depressing but, again, it’s a personal decision.
- Car-centric cities and infrastructure is a result of greed and bribes. An argument can be made that capitalist societies more easily push people into antisocial selfishness though, of course.
- Retirement homes are, again, a ‘skill issue’ that’s very prevalent in certain well known communities and almost nonexistent everywhere else. Raise and love your kids and be family oriented and one of them will take care of you (as it happened to my grandma, and it’ll happen to my mom and MIL, and I assume, God willing, to my wife after my passing). Again, I don’t know how much of this behaviour can be ascribed to capitalism.
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What -is- communism to you?
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Sounds like you’re describing authoritarianism to me.
Socialism, Communism, and even Capitalism are not inherently authoritarian.
Also, take a look into the history of CIA intervention on socialist governments. Unless you believe we brought “democracy” to them out of the kindness of our hearts.
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Good argument. I yield to you.
(/s just in case)
You didn’t even come close to answering the question. You didn’t say anything about who owns and benefits from production.
Do we have a Lemmy equivalent to iamverysmart because ffs…
Didn’t answer the question.
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This is a terrible definition that could be applied to any form of government the speaker dislikes.
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But that doesn’t make any sense. Words mean things. When people say “communism”, they usually mean something more concrete than whatever you said. Usually it has to do with who owns the means of production.
Come on, eli5 communism. I want to know what these idiot youth are imagining, not your opinion about it.
Simple question here. No gotcha: Do you believe that people deserve to be ruled by kings?
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Should people, in your opinion, be ruled by kings?
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I literally did as you asked. There’s no gotcha here. I’m just trying to ascertain whether or not you value democracy or not. That’s a crucial first step to understand why you have such a fundamental misunderstanding of communism. That’s all.
Both systems are crap because humans suck and will let people with type b personality disorders ruin it.
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Humanist Democratic Socialism does. Communitarianism might also.
… actually there’s probably forms of Distributism, that might. Just depends on whether we’re talking classic Communism with a one party centrally planned command economy (which is how a lot of people interpret the term still).
Communism is just too broad an idea to agree to blindly, it could be referring to anything from a small scale communal farming co-op to a one party Authoritarian system.
You’ll have to be more specific.
If you want to REALLY reduce the definition of communism down to its most concentrated form, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need”, then not only is communism a successful system, it is the only reason our species exists today.
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Cool. Provide an example of a fully functional and prosperous- communistic society that doesn’t have some form or capitalism embedded into its socioeconomic fabric.
Could you provide an example of a fully functional and prosperous capitalist society that doesn’t have some form of socialism embedded into its socioeconomic fabric?
You’re asking for a ‘clean’ delineation that doesn’t exist in the real world, not just for the system you oppose, but also for the one you accept as ‘normal’ and functional.
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No. Bust I’m not claiming such a thing exists either.
You made that comment in response to:
Humanist Democratic Socialism does. Communitarianism might also.
… actually there’s probably forms of Distributism, that might. Just depends on whether we’re talking classic Communism with a one party centrally planned command economy (which is how a lot of people interpret the term still).
Communism is just too broad an idea to agree to blindly, it could be referring to anything from a small scale communal farming co-op to a one party Authoritarian system.
You’ll have to be more specific.
I don’t see where that claims anything about the purity of any given system. In fact, all it does is ask for “What definition of communism are you using?”
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I said capitalism is at least better than communism. Everything else is words written for me.
To be precise, you demanded an example of a ‘pure’ system that the original commenter made no pretensions of supporting, and when called out, you objected that you weren’t the one claiming that such a system existed, implying that the other commenter was (which is demonstrably untrue).
You really just don’t know how to handle other people disagreeing with you without being an enormous cunt, huh?
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Not my argument, but I just wanna pop in and say I think a more perfect system -would- be a blending of capitalism and socialism. Something where you have to work to enjoy a certain “level” of lifestyle, but not to survive.
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No one’s arguing with you on that. You’re saying communism and socialism are bad when your problem as described by -you- is with Authoritarianism.
You say that Communism and Socialism are Authoritarianism, which shows me that you don’t understand what those terms mean.
You accuse others of living in a dream… Some of the most celebrated people in history are the dreamers. Maybe check your own cup for the Kool-Aid.
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Really? That’s it? How disappointing…
Why are those the only options in everyone’s head. China is a mercantilist nation. Why is it capitalism vs communism and no one talking about how Chinese classic mercantilism seems to be doing pretty OK right now.
Why are those the only options in everyone’s head. China is a mercantilist nation. Why is it capitalism vs communism and no one talking about how Chinese classic mercantilism seems to be doing pretty OK right now.
Jesus fucking Christ.
No, China is very much a capitalist country.
No, capitalism doesn’t have state control.
No, capitalism doesn’t have state control.
Jesus fucking Christ.
That’s what mercantilism is. A promotion of trade with state control. Which is different than the free hand of capitalism.
That’s just spicy capitalism
Is it? I mean it’s clearly working well enough that the other capitalist nations are saying their capitalism is unfair. But really it’s a totally different system, and we’re not going to understand it if we just call it capitalism with Chinese characteristics.
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Do you know what mercantilism is and why it’s working well for China? Nothing you said has anything to do with mercantilism.
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I’m talking about mercantilism. China just happens to be the biggest country that does it. Just like the US is the biggest one doing capitalism. Communism isn’t really even on the board so not sure why people like you keep bringing it up.
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But injecting it into a discussion specifically about capitalism vs communism?
A hugely ironic comment from the person who injected talk about communism into a discussion of capitalism.
Because in the modern world it’s really a competition between capitalism and mercantilism, and self congratulating the capitalist nations on beating communism seems like masturbation to me.
Capitalism beats nothing. It is literally the worst system ever set up as an economic system of governance.
Capitalism is bad.
The idea that it’s the worst is just…
Delusional.
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None, just the one grinding me down.
How many do you?
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No, but I asked you.
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