The narrative on this murder is all over the place. This is my understanding of what occurred—correct me if I’m wrong on any details.
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Arturo Gamboa goes to fetch his AR-15, which he has regularly and legally carried at many Salt Lake City protests in the past.
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Some “Peacekeepers” (read: chuds; probably cops, definitely cop-wannabes) saw a gun on a guy, and they start blasting.
Gamboa returns fire. Maybe? Reports are conflicted. -
Gamboa did not return fire. Cops lied to us about it. We know it’s lies, because words came out of their mouths.
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“Peacekeeper” bullets wound Gamboa, and kill Arthur Folasa Ah Loo.
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Gamboa is arrested for murder, for reasons.
That’s crazy, thanks for making it easier to understand considering how it was already a confusing situation only made more confusing by all the misinformation and media parroting the police’s narratives.
It seems Gamboa never fired a weapon, he ran as soon as he was shot and tried to blend in with the crowd. I haven’t seen or heard anything that implies Gamboa ever shot or aimed his rifle aside from the first reports which were put out by the detectives and 50501, which I don’t believe we can’t trust.
All the reports say he never fired the AR15. This has cops covering for the “peacekeepers” stank all over it. Long haired brown person with a gun is all they can fixate on to try to cover up their recklessness. The fact that the bystander is actually a minor fashion celeb and non-white will hopefully crack open this bullshit story, but this is in Utah, and it will be a tough blue wall.
Sounds like the DA is figuring it out and thinks that it will be impossible to convict Gamboa, and that they doubt the account of the “Peacekeepers”
If even the DA is saying that, it’s likely this is just some rent-a-cop shitheads with an itchy trigger finger trying to get the local cops to cover for them
I have updated my summary with new info.
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I have not seen any identification of the “peacekeepers” or the one that actually fired the lethal shots. The fact that the cops are charging the younger open carry person with murder makes me think these peacekeepers are cops or cop adjacent.
E: Video: https://imgur.com/a/z3J25EB
The story does not fit with what the video shows.
okay so the guy with the rifle was not a would-be shooter?
Apparently not, but the cops are charging him with murder because reasons
tbf if I saw someone running around with a rifle at any protest these days I’d assume they were there to kill people
The person shot had been at protests armed before, if security was actually familiar with leftist protesters they wouldn’t have been so quick to judge.
Image from bluesky of the armed “potential mass shooter”(from a different protest):
I would assume they’re just there to protect protesters from police. Generally shooting at cops is a bad idea, but having enough armed protesters around does cause cops to be on their best behavior. Remember that protester a few days ago in LA that was being assaulted by police on horseback? That’s the kind of situation where someone would have been fully justified to shoot those officers, an act of simple self defense.
It’s rare for cops to actually shoot openly armed people. They’re only incredibly trigger-happy against unarmed people. Every cop knows that it doesn’t matter if the law is on their side. If a cop starts shooting at someone that is themselves heavily armed, there’s a good chance that cop isn’t going home tonight. Having armed protesters prevents police from taking lives with impunity.
Sure, but if I’m in SLC at an unorganized protest (or one that was organized by liberals), my first thought on seeing a rifle isn’t “I’m glad the people’s vanguard is here protecting us,” it’s “oh shit, a chud is here to kill the boogeymen he heard about on the internet”
you obviously haven’t been to Utah much
You’re so right, I spend more time up north in Liberal Mountain, Idaho
idiotic. This is an open carry state where dozens of people are armed. He wasn’t “running around” and he didn’t have his rifle raised either. There’s footage of it. He’s just walking around with the gun in a resting position when they shoot at him
idiotic
Yeah, I should assume any armed amerikkkan I see on the street is doing it for my safety
if they’re dressed up as an anti-fascist marching on your side, then yeah pretty much
I don’t know what to say other than I don’t trust fellow yanks with guns who I don’t know. I wouldn’t have gone wild west on anyone like the “peacekeepers” did but I’m not going to be able to tell at a glance that someone wearing all black is a “good guy”
Well I’m sure there were about 500 armed people at that march alone, Utah is open carry. I personally approve of demonstrations of armed force at our protests, although I think it should be more regimented and disciplined than anarchists meandering around with their own guns
Yeah, I don’t doubt there were lots of guns out that day, but I 100% agree with you that if you’re going to open carry at a protest like this, do it with an organized group. Not blaming this particular individual for getting shot or getting others shot, but I think the confusion is understandable
I’m a liberal gun owner. Am I amerikkkan now too? Such a stupid two brain cell fighting for third place comment.
Would be a lot cooler if you were a communist gun owner
TF would I do that for?
Chuds never applied that logic to that fascist cracker that Ill not name
“peace” “keepers” “at” 50501 “rally” “open” “fire” into “crowd” “killing” one and “injuring” two.
Who are these “peacekeepers”?
Event security, I believe
Vaguely reminds me of the CHAZ murdering 2 Black teenagers
My recollection of that time is this, someone correct me if they have more details:
One of the people killed was in an altercation which was not related to the protest or in the actual zone, the other person was killed overnight when the group who had been known as protest security, Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club, were not present and there was essentially no action going on, no other claimed ‘event security’ was present. No suspect was ever made public in the second shooting that I saw, private security hired by businesses were there though and it’s my theory they were connected to that shooting. Overall though during that time there were as many shootings as average for the neighborhood.
I just wanted to say this because I’ve been seeing people connect this shooting to CHAZ but the situation is much different from what I’ve seen.
I was referring to the specific shooting to the two teenagers
But after looking it up it seems like there were around 4 shootings in the zone around that time?
Ah right, I forgot two people were shot at that incident, one killed. That was where it was my suspicion that private security connected to businesses or the city was involved. A few people that posed as protesters but were hired by the city/some org to co-opt the protest were seen cleaning the scene and talking to police-aligned private security the next morning at the location of the shooting, police didn’t show up til hours after and never investigated.
It was that shooting that they used as impetus to shut down the zone, separately there was also a random parked car firebombed in a very suspicious manner on the same block some night soon after.
It’s almost like random redditors backed by a non-profit suck at organizing. They don’t know who is at their protest. They don’t know how many people there are on their side. They don’t know who is running security, they probably never considered having organized security. They just let randos show up and stake over marshaling duties.
So some frothing chud tried to do a mass shooting at the protest, protestors shot back, and hit everyone but the chud?
The armed, yellow-vested “peacekeepers” at the Utah 50501 protest in Salt Lake City opened fire into a crowd, hitting two people:
A Sāmoan fashion designer with two young kids, who died.
A second-generation Venezuelan immigrant and antiracist protester who was legally carrying. Cops charged HIM.
Unless I’m not reading this correctly. There was no “frothing chud” who “tried to do a mass shooting”. There was an open carry protester, who the “peacekeepers” believed to be a gunman. They engaged him, he fled, they shot at him, hitting him and killing another.
Utah is a permitless carry state. SLC has an open carry ordinance, and protests frequently see AR-15s being carried openly.
This environment makes threat assessment more challenging, which is why having armed “security” volunteers who lack extensive training is an incredibly reckless idea.
ooooh the way it was worded lead me to believe someone was trying to do a mass shooting, wow what a bunch of buffoons.
Yeah that’s how the rent-a-cops and 50501 libs are trying to frame it to get out of any responsibility
I thought the same thing. Now I’m confused and have no idea who’s in the wrong lol.
The volunteer “peacekeepers” with clearly no training for this situation hold the most blame from what I’ve seen. According to what I could surmise from reports and photos, they shot at a leftist who was non-threateningly carrying a rifle, in an open carry state where protesters have been openly armed a number of times, before even saying anything to him or warning anyone. He was in all black with a balaclava so I understand why they were afraid, really the blame more falls on whoever let them be “security” for such an event that definitely would have had threats against it from chuds.
Nope. Principled anti-fascist was armed, lib rent-a-cops freaked out and started shooting into a crowd for no reason and are trying to pin it on the protester who never fired a shot
Kill all chuds and US domestic terrorism ends
bit of a “beatings continue until moral improves”, isn’t it? You don’t fix terrorism by fighting terrorists, you fix terrorism by relieving the pressures that push people to terrorism.
You could give chuds everything they wanted and they would still be professional grievance mongers for life. We could bring back chattel slavery, keep women pregnant and in the kitchen, get rid of all other genders and hair colors, set the Rio grande on fire with a river of Saudi Arabian gas and make everyone have to wear a flag pin and they would still find something to rally around and cause the rest of us misery
That’s the grand irony of chuds; giving them what they want is exactly the sort of thing that exacerbates the stressors and raises the temperature on stochastic terrorism.
For the US specifically, try and get them to pin down when exactly we were “great” and they inevitably point to a time when New Deal policies were stronger, despite being vehemently against those policies.
Oh, but they’re just fascists because of economic anxiety. It’s understandable that they’re rent is high, so now they want to throw brown and queer people in a meat grinder 😢
We need to remind them how happy they were during the new deal (funded through the birth of American global dominance) when black people were famously excluded from those benefits and Japanese people were in internment camps!
I think the new deal policies that improved people’s living and working conditions could still work without global dominance or racial exclusions. Weather or not the US or whatever succeeds it can be pushed to do that is another matter…
And I don’t really think of chuds as outright fascists. They hold conservatives beliefs, but when you only look at their actions, they become indistinguishable from liberals (or any other broad group of americans). Yes, there’s potential for them to be radicalized into fascism (and that’s where a lot of the selective pressure currently is) but they’re not necessarily there yet. It’s why I’m pushing back against this “Round up the chuds!” narrative. People who actually hold and act on violent positions on race, sexuality, and/or gender are another matter altogether.
this was lib on leftist violence caused by itchy trigger fingers. No chuds involved
This is uh, not a productive approach to reducing terrorism.
Until their children grow up.
At thread about it at r/50501 - ?? what’s going on : 50501
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The story is that there were two pistol armed peacekeepers in reflective vests standing by. They saw the suspect go behind a wall to retrieve a rifle. They confronted him, then he pointed his rifle and started to run towards the crowd. One peacekeeper opened fire on him. He shot 3 rounds. One struck the suspect, one struck and killed the protester.
The suspect fled and attempted to hide amongst protesters sheltering in place by a building, but one of the protesters recalled seeing a rifle stock in the suspect’s backpack during an earlier interaction with him. This protester snatched the backpack and called the police over, where he was arrested.
Gamboa is just walking and the peacekeeper just starts taking shots at him.
Totally bullshit story and reckless behavior caught on video.
You should make that a top level comment. The MSM has been shit so it’s nice if Hexbears can see a well-done vid.
Added it to my other top level comment
still definitely reckless behavior to bring a rifle to a protest, especially while dressed in what appears to be an all-black hoodie. Like c’mon man do you not think that looks extremely sus? Also doesn’t fit the vibe of the protest. Also there has been propaganda recently about people targeting the protests (after those politicians were murdered). Gotta be some weird gun nut kinda fetish or something. The vest person was clearly trigger-happy though. Did they even say anything to the guy or just decided to start blasting?
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From footage and other reports I’ve seen this is like a police shooting and the first reports seem to be designed to absolve blame of the security at the event. He didn’t run until after the “peacekeepers” shot him, he didn’t appear to raise his rifle. People are saying “he’s obviously the guilty one because he was trying to hide!” It was immediately afterwards, of course he would hide with the protesters, he was one of them and they thought they were being shot by a chud or cop probably.
I bet we’ll see some more footage come out soon, there must have been security cameras or something else that caught it besides the one super brief clip I’ve seen.
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I made a mistake in the title before. I thought the “peacekeepers” were part of 50501. I don’t know who they are or what their connection to 50501 is. And the MSM seems to be shit so I won’t google about it anymore.
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