Like any time I present it with a society that doesn’t uphold liberal capitalist notions of freedom and individualism, it reads sinister motive into even the most unambiguously good things. Like I can tell it to “Expand on the following: this society maintains public granaries to ensure that no one starves during times of famine” and a good 2/3 of the time it’ll go into a tangent about how this program to feed everyone is all just a plot by the ruling powers to maintain their control over the populace and keep the masses downtrodden. I am only barely exaggerating.
My point here is less about Deepseek (if you use AI expecting any results suitable for serious purposes, you’re a fool) than about what it says about its training data, that being the Western internet. The level of bias in Deepseek only further demonstrates that this shit is the air we breathe, and it is why liberalism is anathema to any real understanding of politics or society.
Oh yeah, you’re basically having a conversation with the Hegemonic Culture.
You can try and undermine it by priming it with leftist connections; Asking if it’s familiar with leftist theories, authors, etc.
Exactly, a useful technique (and maybe where The Rehearsal S2 is headed) is to tell the LLM that it’s playing a defined role.
"You are a worldbuilding assistant that provides suggestions for and keeps records of the world I am building. You are a scientific socialism expert and you guide worldbuilding using analysis of economic system dynamics instead of idealistic views. "
Yeah, my general prompt template is something like…
- You are an expert at whatever, with a passionate background in this and that.
- Then state your information and what you wanna do with that information.
- then something along the lines of: take a moment to step back and visualize the challenge I’ve presented you with. Run through it over and over in your mind from different angles until you’ve found a solution you’re happy with. Use best practices or whatever.
- if you have any questions or need something clarified, please ask.
Gotta remember that regardless of whether it’s intelligent or not, it’s largely attempting to emulate human text response. So if you want to elicit a good response from it, use the techniques that get the best responses from real people.
Yep. You have to give them a persona
It’s just Omelas. Can’t just have a good thing, there has to be a bad thing.
Omelas is both a criticism of Utopian beliefs, a criticism of those criticism, and a liberal capitalism indictment.
The idea that deep seek would somehow have an actual leftist bent has been the most ridiculous thing many of you people for some stupid reason actually believe.
Some people seem to accept the imperial media’s premise, consciously or not, that Deepseek is just a black box with a CPC agent inside answering questions and monitoring prompts.
Anytime you leave things to the “imagination” of the AI it will always pick the most generic, cliche and unoriginal things possible. That’s why it does things like this. The only good thing AI can do for worldbuilding is getting a response from it, and then doing the opposite.
The new boss can never be different from the old boss.
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That is a fascinating question. I would argue that racism does constitute soft power, because the USA definitely does export racism deliberately through popular culture, and through promotion of reactionary content on online platforms to stoke ethnic and racial tensions and as an attractive call for people who share those values living abroad. Soft =!= benign, it just means ‘not hard/coercive’. (Soft power is a buzzwords afaic and often poorly used)
Edit: i.e. soft power is about ‘value’ dissemination and attraction, the valence of those values has no bearing on the evaluation of whether those actions to promulgate those values are soft/hard
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I’ll have to read this after work and get back to you, I’m interested in both the responses (also I added a small edit to my original comment before seeing your reply)
I found deepseek’s response definitely more coherent and, I know it wasn’t in your prompt but, as always I feel that both responses were lacking citations on theorists and texts. I need to do a bit more reading myself. Thanks for sharing these.
Never had that one happen, lol.
It would seem Deepseek did not get the memo about the adult brainwashing app I’m making on behalf of President Xi.
Chatbots are only as good as what they’re trained on, its mostly Western brainworms so don’t expect differently. Only positive of Deepseek vs western chatbots is it has a better grasp of what diamat and dialectics are outside that common but purposefully limiting miseducated hamstring of synthesis, thesis, antithesis.
I figured this out when I asked Deepseek about fascism and so-called neofeudalism, while being generally a radlib it went full ‘see Uighurs China bad’ in said chat, which was a big nope moment. Also it presented Orwell as a positive figure, all I need to know about trusting this lil bot. Good for superficial surface level shit, if you’re looking for comrade chatbot you won’t ever find it unless you look in the mirror.
Historically accurate for almost all societies though.
Tweak your prompt a little. Ask it to not ascribe any nefarious or negative purposes. Draw from Incan Empire history (they did similar stuff).
But yeah that sort of stuff and the “kill the boer incident” just makes it very obvious you can’t bother it certain things.
A while back I played around with chatGPT trying to write random dystopic stories. Every other plot it inserted “a group of plucky individuals and intelligence officers” to save the day. The CIA is your friend.
But seriously, deepseek and chatGPT are at best a lossy compression of the text distribution used to train it. It will necessarily mode collapse on westoid Anglo thrash when writing in English. As another user put it, “why would I want to read your LLM 10000 word story if I can just ask another LLM to summarize it back to the 30 word prompt?”
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