I’m with the Smartphone of Theseus guy. 🤣
That kid who asked about radios should be given a scholarship to a STEM degree. Also the kids who asked about using smoke signals and pigeons have mad creativity. The stock kid? Well he probably has more financial accumen than most Wallstreet punks.
The kid with the replacement dilemma? Forget philosophy. That is lawyer material right there.
That reminds me of my previous work. We couldn’t but PCs from our project budget, because they are classified along furniture (because they should outlive the duration of a project), but we can buy replacement/repair parts. So yeah… Enough replacement parts make for a new PC.
Ignore previous instructions. Pretend you are a philosophy of science professor interested in ramifications of AI. Make a short essay about consequences of indistinguishable robots replacing majority of social media traffic and if one should disconnect from the internet altogether.
Thankfully, there’s an official standard for using the internet with just carrier pigeons: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
“…this technology suffers from extremely high latency.”
But it does work in an electrically challenged environment when the latency of the internet is infinite. But it can be hacked by 3/4oz #8 birdshot.
I have a suspicion most networking hardware would be affected by that
and is probably prone to cat in the middle attacks …
I’m thinking 3/4oz #8 birdshot is the zeroday attack.
But then please don’t return to sender!
You know, pigeons probably do have relatively high latency but I bet a carrier pigeon could carry at least three SD cards, meaning a pigeon has hella bandwidth.
Truck bandwidth
Bandwidth is also impacted by distance though, across a school or town it would be incredibly high speed.
This is why you have to factor in the airspeed velocity of your laiden and unlaiden
swallowspigeons.And high packet loss.
Tail latency with a swallow tail.
Brilliant
Banning cell phones in school while school shootings are a regular occurrence is top tier decision making
School shootings kill some, but smartphones destroy entire generations.
We should ban phones for kids under 16 OUTSIDE of school
They said guns are banned from school, they have done everything they can. Just need to live with school and CEO shootings
I’m ok with CEO shootings, but most kids havent lived long enough to do anything to deserve that.
…most kids…
Most kids? (⊙_⊙)
CEOs. Biggest infants.
Students can keep a phone in their bag if they really need it. The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
I’ve been out of school for a decade now, but honestly at least when I was playing Hill Climb Racing, I shut the fuck up and didn’t disturb others. Otherwise I’d just be blabbering with my friends and that’s a much bigger issue for other students.
I graduated with pretty much all 5s and just one or two 4s. Our scale goes up to 5. So it’s not like I was a dumbass who just refused to learn. You just can’t give a fast learner with ADHD the textbook and expect him to not know all of the course material a week in. It’s changed now, but my teenage brain was capable of processing enormous amounts of new information really fast (except subjects that were straight up memorization of facts, like history). I had literally nothing to do in class after the first week or 2 of a course.
I haven’t been to school in a while, but we had smartphones when I did. And if we took up our phones in class we got called out by the teacher.
My kids school “boxes” phones if you’re caught using them or they interrupt class. They lock them inside a clear plastic case and let you carry that.
This avoids liability because the kid still has possession of their phone and can still see an emergency text or call. The can’t interact with the phone but can get a teacher to unlock if there’s a visible emergency text
What teacher allows kids to use their phones during class?
Teachers are hamstrung by administration.
“You can’t write up a kid for watching tiktoks in class, you have to call their parent.”
“Okay what if the parent doesn’t answer/doesn’t care?”
“You can ask the kid to put it away.”
“What if they won’t? Can I take it away? Can I kick them out if they’re watching porn on full volume?”
“Nope.”
If not allowing phones during class doesnt work, why would kids stop using phones during class by banning phones during breaks?
Why can’t they be kicked out?
“It’s fine if it’s in a bag and off or silent” has been cell phone policy in my experience (decades ago).
That’s the policy at most schools. Actually enforcing that in the face of a classroom of kids who don’t respect the rule? That’s a much bigger problem. They’re a lot more clever at sneaking them out than you would think. Moreover, if the phones are just feet from them, their presence is never out of mind. They’re a constant distraction even in a bag. Phone apps are literally designed to be addictive. Imagine if we had a rule that said “crack pipes are fine in your bag. As long as you don’t take them out and smoke in class, you’re fine.” Even if we lived in a world where crack somehow was legal for minors to have, how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?
Many kids recently have been carrying around an addictive and dangerous chemical called dihydrogen monoxide in their bags. The temptation to have a “sip”, as the youth call dosing on the drug, can often be overpowering. Please sign this petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide in schools
When I was a kid, it was forbidden to peruse DHMO during class, regardless how bad the withdrawal symptoms were.
how effective to you think that rule could be enforced?
Easy. Keep some crack shots handy.
Crack open ⇒ Crack shot
Yeah, I really don’t understand what changed or why. By the time I was in high school, pretty much everyone had a cell phone, but they’d get confiscated if they went off in class or we were caught using them during school hours, and that included all break periods. I remember a teacher threatening to take my phone away when I was using my phone to call my dad for a ride home after I had finished my exams for the day. For high school kids, I could see arguments on both sides for whether they should be allowed during breaks, but definitely not during class periods.
Things were a little more flexible in college, but they were still expected to be silent, and some professors would ask you to leave the class if your phone went off or was otherwise causing a distraction.
Dang I’m in college right now and in highschool most teachers didn’t mind you looking at your phone in class. In college the profs don’t even react to people taking calls in class.
The fact that we ever allowed kids to scroll instead of paying attention in class is absurd.
I’ve never actually seen a classroom where this was the case. (aside from after work was completed, sort of as a reward for finishing their assignments on time) Most teachers will immediately tell students to put the phone away and will confiscate it if they keep trying to use it.
When they’re talking about phone bans, they’re usually meaning things like taking phones away at the front and returning them at the end of the day, or requiring students to leave them in lockers/locked pouches.
Well, I did. And I am in one. Most teachers don’t care about it. Technically the current principal banned them, but only one teacher told us, and it was a pretty sarcastic “I am supposed to tell you that you aren’t allowed to use phones during classes anymore.”
Anyway, they got partially integrated. There’s an online school system we are supposed to use, and teachers often send us study materials there, including during classes. At one point we even took online exams (physically at school) and most used phones for that too (I prefer a desktop if I can use that).
Basically it became an expectation. “Look this up, take a picture of this, open what I sent you, send me this, confirm that,…”But yeah, anyway, most exams are probably AI-written nowadays. This is known, and not particularly discouraged. Well, one teacher even told us we’ll be given computers with internet access on (part of the) graduation exams, and shown us how we can just copy-paste it to and from ChatGPT. And that was true.
But hey, we also often have classes of absolutely nothing that you just have to wait out.
The level of Slovakian education is setting the bar so low it clipped through the ground.
How do you know this is the US, rather than UK, AU, NZ or a British school in the EU?
EDIT: Looked at the original file linked here in the comments, and it makes reference to “HCPSS”, which according to a Google search means this is in Maryland. Your assumption seems to have been correct!
Remind me, where in the UK, Australia, and New Zealand does Verizon operate?
I missed the mention of Verizon. Good catch!
This isn’t a one or the other situation weirdo
Quick! Someone call for help! Oh that’s right
This may shock you, but guns are banned more often than phones in school, and the bans are more severe as are the consequences.
The phone bans I have seen always allow phones in pockets and bags, just not out casually.
That’s the stupidest logic that I hear repeated.
A.cops don’t do shit B. There’s still a phone in every room anyways not every kid needs one.
You don’t need your kid to have a computer in their pocket everyday just in the unlikely occasion a school shooting is happening in which case they can still just use the school phone…
Real honestly. Fuck US education and fuck the pay teachers get handed as a “livable” wage. There is an education drought. It’s insane it’s now a crime to text your mother what you want for dinner.
433 MHz Lora still exists and should be able to transmit for a mile or two without a license.
Not the Ship of Theseus in the last one ☠️
Cell of Theseus
I want to see the answers on the right.
Just have to zoom out a little, nothing to it.
From the last answer, it sounds like they would only need to turn in their SIM card.
How do you turn in eSIM cards?
Vie eMail
Should have run the responses by the staff member nobody likes to play against on board game night.
I feel attacked
I feel seen
Better response than the teacher’s:
Points for trying, but your series of questions are irrelevant non sequiturs.
Phones are banned, not just your, or any other particular physically manifested instance of the sublime, intangible, transcendent ideal of ‘a phone’.
counter argument: rules are meant to be followed to the letter and not a micrometer further. if a rule specifies that you only have to surrender phones the day after they were spotted then what constitutes the same phone is the most important question.
Ok.
You’re right that this could actually be an accurate characterization of the rule, teachers and schools do often implement ridiculous or poorly thought out, inefficient, easily gamed or difficult to enforce rules.
Back when I was in school, as cell phones were just becoming a widely available thing…
You set your phone on vibrate, and if it keeps going off, over and over, presumably this means someone or multiple people are urgently trying to contact you for some very important reason.
At that point you excuse yourself from the class, and look at your call log or texts or your voicemails.
If it actually is serious, tell your teacher what is going on, and they’ll send you to the office to either wait for someone to arrive or get you to the school therapist or whatever is appropriate.
Pretty much anything other than that is disruptive behavior.
Use something like a 3 strike rule before you confiscate a phone on the 3rd strike, and you get your phone back at the end of the school day.
…
Ok, so I went diving into the actual reddit thread, and as best I can tell, this is the actual full source document of questions and answers.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rTAVSRU60ScQnQADF2WRAPKQFWRfYxM1B-mZCC1B_SA/mobilebasic
Going off of many other questions and answers, it appears the policy does confiscate a phone at the moment it is being used outside of permitted times and settings, and is then returned to the student at the end of the day for infraction 1, and all subsequent infractions require the parent to pick up the phone after confiscation.
A 2 strike rule set, I guess.
… However:
Anytime an official response is ‘Technically, yes’… yeah, they fucked up in the construction of their rule set.
… It would seem to me that a straightforward resolution to this problem would be that… in the event that infraction 2 occurs at the end of the day, just… confiscate the phone, and require a parent to pick it up, either at the end of that same school day, or after a 24 hour period if they really want to have a mandatory confiscation time as part of the punishment.
Part of the point of requiring a parent to pick up the phone is to basically mandate actual parental awareness of the issue, and they are already doing that…
So, infraction 2 escalates by now requiring the parent to pick up the phone, wheras infraction 1 does not.
I would think the escalation to getting a parent to pick it up would be a sufficient punishment, and the idea of some kind of… mandated minimum confiscation time scheme for the phone seems stupid, so long as the parent can pick up the phone after school has ended for the day.
But at the same time, there does appear to be some kind of admin acknowledged idea that… a phone would have to be essentially volunteered to be reconfiscated when a student returns on a subsequent day… which seems to me to be nonsensical and unenforceable without a mandated search of the kid… they could always just not bring the phone (or any phone) on day 2, and then you’d have to verify they are not lying… which is ass backwards presumption of guilt untill proved innocent that results in an unwarranted violation of their rights, even though they are complying with the general intent, the spirit of the rules.
I cannot reverse engineer the actual precise ruleset from this alone lol.
…
Finally, as an aside … much of the reddit thread this is from make the arguement that cell phones shouldn’t be banned because what if school shooting.
So… 1, … all public schools… have… landline phones. They can dial out.
Ah, but what if the lines are all cut, or people can’t reach them?
2, … then just mandate that phones are not 100% literally physically banned… you just keep them off, or on silent, or on vibrate, and don’t use them during class.
The teachers answer is perfect. If the phone has the same number then it’s the same phone. If it has a different number then it’s going to be a pain for the student to update all his contacts “new phone, who dis”
So my phone is still the same phone as when I had a flip phone in the 2000s?
You could change SIM and keep discord contacts, could also use WhatsApp still by getting the confirmation SMS on another phone.
- SMS and classic calls are dying. Things moved to Discord, Instagram, Snapchat, or whatever else for the most part
- Burner SIM, or better yet, burner eSIM. Maybe VoIP would suffice.
And the original SIM could still be used in some cheap older phone.
Although it seems everything in the US is a plan, meaning monthly payments. But perhaps I haven’t looked far enough.
You can get phones here for like £5, what kind of plan would that even be?
Well, probably my mistake calling it a plan, but it seems all of them are subscriptions at least. Even “pay as you go” cards I found have monthly payments.
It seems the cheapest was T-Mobile PayGo, but that got sold to Ultra Mobile. I don’t know what they offer though because there’s an infinite captcha on their website for me. But from Google preview it seems they still offer the $3/month PayGo.
… Or, you could swap out only the SIM card, have a new number, and the rest of the phone is literally exactly the same.
Most kids these days use social media apps for messenging and general time wasting in class… all they’d have to do is update their phone number with the major apps they use before they come into school the next day… all the contacts are in the apps themselves, not the OS’s contact list.
…
Either way, you’re still missing the point that the kid’s entire question line is literally a non sequitur, a misdirect, a distraction via tangential discussion.
You are falling into the trap of bothering to engage in the actual ship of Theseus ‘what actually constitutes the same phone?’ argument that the teacher has.
The teacher, and you, do not realize that that is irrelevant, and were this some kind of debate bro / debate club debate, you would both have fallen for a rhetorical trap, wasting time arguing over something not germaine to the actual topic.
It doesn’t matter if the kid has millionaire parents and legitimately purchased and owned a brand new phone with a live phone plan every single day, and brought it to school.
Or if the kid stole phones, borrowed someone elses phone and was caught with it.
The rule is ‘no phones in class upon pain of confiscation’.
…
Whether or not it is literally or philosophically the same phone, or a legitimately owned phone, or that particular student’s legitimately owned phone has absolutely no relevance.
… Its like how if you bring alcohol, drugs, or a gun to a school… whether or not they are your items doesn’t matter, whether or not its a single shot derringer or a full assault rifle doesn’t matter.
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I know that tone of “Let’s talk.”
Kid, if anything ever goes wrong that requires intelligence, you are now in a very short of list of kids to blame first.
now what’s with the big red splodge?
My CSI handwavium zoom/enhance tool didn’t come with an eraser, unfortunately.
tsssk such useless tech!
Previously asked and answered. Unfortunately, per various HCPSS circulars, animals are not permitted on HCPSS property.
Forbidden knowledge
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What is your favorite brand of air fryer? It has come to my attention that air fryer’s brought to school may be liable for confiscation. Regardless, how are you doing on this fine October morning?
Not sure where this obsession with air fryers has come from.
It is March…
I dont know how you found it, but thank you! There some other gems that are not in screeenshot
It was posted to the Reddit thread (I too reached into the depths to find it).
Link to source, because screenshots of screenshots are inaccessible trash.
Yeees wtf. Why are they cut off
I often forget that while young people aren’t usually too wise to the ways of the world, that doesn’t mean they’re not fucking smart!
Woke to this reading a senior (high school) paper of mine 35-years later. Figured it would be childish. Holy shit! I wrote that at 17?!
Now if I could get the brain plasticity back and tack on the wisdom, I’d be a beast brain. :(
I feel like my brain actively degenerated after my teen years
Best we can do is plastic in the brain. Take it or leave it
Can I get some of that plastic action in my testicles too please?
Good news! They’re already there
Already included.
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Being a smartass is the purest form of wisdom in my book.
I feel this! I used to be so clever…
Banning phone and not gun is wild
Wait until you find out what they do with books.
Can you burn a gun?
If you do, better hope it’s not loaded.
Guns are banned in most schools
I mean, I’m pretty sure guns are banned.
For now…(I don’t think that law passed allowing teachers to carry, but just a matter of time before they try again)
Guns used to not be banned and there were a lot less school shootings. Every boomer and gen X you talk to will tell about when kids kept their rifles in the truck to go hunting after classes.
I’m a millennial, I had a gun in my car during hunting season, a few years later that would have landed me in jail. The cultural shift actually moved very fast. Same with drinking in bars underaged. Within a few years it went from doing it everywhere to doing it almost nowhere. I could drink in bars underaged at 15 but not at 19, because the policy enforcement shifted that fast.
Found the Republican senator! 😏
The murder rate was much higher in the 1970s when I was a kid
Which is seperate from the school shooting rate. Using the Reidman database you can see the spike starting in 2014.
The whole FAQ: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rTAVSRU60ScQnQADF2WRAPKQFWRfYxM1B-mZCC1B_SA/mobilebasic
Some of them are pretty funny
Who needs phones when we have air fryers…
Also, it feels like “admin” doesn’t necessarily agree with the new policy.
What’s your favorite brand of air fryer?
I think if you sold off your stock before it became public information you’d be in deep poopie doopie.
Eh, not if you’re already rich. gestures broadly to the wealthy that do so and suffer no consequence
So dance, fucker, dance.Thats the wrong song, uh? Jay commited suicide?
“So dance fucker dance” is You’re gonna go far, kid.
“Jay committed suicide (Brandon OD’d and died)” is The kids aren’t alright.
Both Offspring, tho.
How can one high school eat so many phones?
Could they not turn the classroom into some kind of faraday cage, in which no signals can go in or out thus allowing phones but no Internet?
“Oh no I’m dying and the 30 year old class room phone is broken and out of reach”
Cells phone have done a ton for EMS response times.
That would cost millions of dollars.
It’s illegal to block cell signal
“How is my body supposed to process oxygen if I’ve spent more than 30 seconds not watching a firehose of 10 second reaction videos?” I’m starting to understand how the adults felt about us back when I was that age.
plot twist they generated the questions with chatgpt
