It’s almost like she isn’t a serious candidate or something.
Then you have nothing to worry about, right?
You still claim ignorance of the difference between “viable” and “spoiler” in the US election system?
I still claim that I’m voting third-party, as it is my right. And I fully support and respect the rights of others to vote for who they want to vote for.
In other words: nyet.
I’m not sure why you use so many non-english words. Hmmmm…
In Ohio? Probably not.
2020:
Republican - Donald Trump - 3,154,834 - 53.27%
Democratic - Joe Biden - 2,679,165 - 45.24%
Libertarian - Jo Jorgensen - 67,569 - 1.14%
Green - Howie Hawkins - 18,812 - 0.32%2016:
Republican - Donald Trump - 2,841,006 - 51.31%
Democratic - Hillary Clinton - 2,394,169 - 43.24%
Independent - Gary Johnson - 174,498 - 3.15%
Green - Jill Stein - 46,271 - 0.84%Good, then people can stop being angry at me for not voting Harris. :)
I think people are less concerned about what you PERSONALLY do and are more concerned about what others do based on what you’re advocating.
Mass voting for people who literally cannot win, at the expense of someone who can win, when the alternative is Trump is a very, very dangerous game.
If enough people abandon Harris, it will allow Trump to win. Someone who has already stated he wants to be a dictator on day 1. Who wants detention camps. Who wants war with Mexico.
I don’t know about you, but I’m not healthy enough to survive another civil war.
Yep. I’m not concerned one bit what self-described Socialist Chaos Tro…w is going to do in the privacy of the voting booth. If all it was doing was voting Third Party, I’d only blame it in aggregate for the outcome if Trump won by thinner margins than the number of idiots (and I’ll stand behind using this word to describe them) who voted for Left-Wing Third Parties.
What I’m arguing against is this poster and its ilk coming in and saying we shouldn’t vote Dem, and pushing inane BS like the Dems are somehow as bad as or even worse than the GQP and that it’s OK to throw our votes away as Third Party votes in light of what Team Pepe and the Trumpster Fire has planned for everyone in this country.
I’m too OLD to fight in a Civil War!
What I’m arguing against is this poster and its ilk coming in and saying we shouldn’t vote Dem,
I’ve never said you shouldn’t vote Democrats. I said that I wouldn’t vote Democrat because I’m voting third party. But I have always said I support and respect your right to vote for whoever you want. The same rights that I have. Even if it makes you mad.
I personally think the Dems are as bad as the Repubs. That’s totally my right to think. And I am totally free to express that opinion. Just as you are free to express yours.
Dude, calm down. People are allowed to have different opinions than you.
I think people are less concerned about what you PERSONALLY do and are more concerned about what others do based on what you’re advocating.
I believe in an educated public and giving people the freedom to choose. If you don’t trust society to make informed decisions when presented with multiple options, then I’m not sure what else to say. The fact that you seem to be so against respecting people’s choice to vote for how they want is starting to make me lose respect for you. I mean, I know you don’t care what I think, but I’m just putting that out there. You may think I’m an idiot, but I don’t think you’re one. But I’m def starting to take your opinions less seriously. Not that it matters. You are free to think what you like.
Someone who has already stated he wants to be a dictator on day 1. Who wants detention camps. Who wants war with Mexico.
Enough with the scare tactics. And you know what? I don’t think you actually believe that Trump is going to turn into some dictator rounding people up for death camps or starting wars with Mexico. I think that you just hate him so much, you’ll say whatever it takes to make your point. You don’t want to see him win. That’s fair. But let’s not act like you really believe those wild exaggerations. You just think his presidency will be bad for the country, and that’s fine. But there’s no need to go overboard with these extreme claims. It devalues your argument. And if you DO believe those things, well then, bruh I don’t know what to say. You do you.
But I’m not afraid of Trump. And let me bold for all the haters: I don’t care if he wins or not. I’m not voting for him. Or Harris.
Fucking yikes at the end. Pure privilege.
It doesn’t take a mystery death camp for folks from marginalized or at risk communities to see increased risks and degradation of their quality of life/safety. Reviewing his judicial appointments alone is enough to clarify that, in a no nonsense/no scare tactic way.
If he’s president again, that topic alone will continue, and impact the lives of millions in a negative way, for decades to come
I’m very glad you finally went mask off on your privilege driving your decision-making.
I’m very glad you finally went mask off on your privilege driving your decision-making.
I’ve always said I’m not afraid of Trump and that I don’t care about him. My stance on him hasn’t changed at all, so there’s no “mask off” moment happening here. I’m still not voting for him, and I still don’t care if he wins. Plain and simple.
But I’m not voting for Harris. Neither is half of the country. So is half of the country “yikes and pure privilege”?!
The only thing I’ve changed my mind about since being on Lemmy is that I will never vote Democrat again. The hate and vitriol I’ve faced here simply for not supporting Harris has guaranteed that. You guys are far more hostile to different opinions than any Republican I’ve encountered. So congratulations, you did change my mind on that! Happy now?
But let’s not act like you really believe those wild exaggerations. You just think his presidency will be bad for the country, and that’s fine. But there’s no need to go overboard with these extreme claims. It devalues your argument. And if you DO believe those things, well then, bruh I don’t know what to say. You do you.
Kind of hard to expel a million migrants without rounding them up and holding them in prison. Or maybe he’ll skip the due process and just go straight to deporting them?
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/01/politics/trump-immigration-what-matters/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/11/us/politics/trump-2025-immigration-agenda.html
Are you saying you don’t believe trump when he says these things?
Dude is full on copying hitler’s rhetoric and he’s been doing it since 2016 and you’re like… “you’re exaggerating!”….?!?
Ok, well if you believe he’s actually gonna be a hitler dictator type, then nothing I can say will convince you otherwise.
I’m not scared of him. I’m not voting for him. And I’m not voting for Harris.
So still a spoiler but votes for her can’t add to the tally. Cool.
They might in the end, Stein’s campaign has a strategy for getting back on the ballot, from https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/09/its-a-mess-accusations-traded-over-how-jill-stein-got-disqualified-from-running-for-president-in-ohio.html
Even if this fails, and votes for Stein are not counted, it’s much the same as staying home and not voting for president at all. Which is not really what is wanted or needed…
So, Trump is locked up with Vance?
I imagine if Trump dumped Vance, the Secretary of State would make “special arrangements” to accommodate the RNC candidate and quickly.
That’s some real dirty dealing by the Secretary of the State, but hopefully those voters will be able to hold their nose long enough to vote for Harris so Trump doesn’t take the swing state.
As another poster pointed out, Ohio is not a swing state anymore. It voted Republican in 2016 and 2020, and is Right of the country as a whole. Trump is +11, +9, +6, +8, +9, and +9 on polls in September, which is in line with August and July numbers. 538 has Ohio in Trump’s column 892 times out of 1000 runs. Harris only wins 108 out of 1000 simulations. Ohio is Trump Country. Period.
Very dirty dealing.
Alternative view - it sounds like it may be that the different levels of the Green party were not communicating with each other properly. So a minor staffer misunderstood and made a mistake with seriously grave consequences.
Since that technically means it’s the Green party’s mistake (even if it’s the local Ohio Greens rather than Stein’s national group) I’d hold up less hope of a win.
Though after seeing what happened in Nevada, I might just be a tad too pessimistic… sometimes it really does feel like the system is rigged.
But regardless, that doesn’t mean Stein is incompetent or that Stein did anything wrong. At most, there might be an opportunity here to better manage the different local party chapters to prevent mistakes of this nature from happening. It goes to AOC’s point about the need to build up a better grassroots - closer communication with the Ohio chapter might have been enough to prevent this tragic mistake from happening.
Good points!
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