• Rose Thorne(She/Her)@lemm.ee
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    As we used to say, “MMORPG means Many Men Online Role-playing Girls”.

    Which has went in a couple different directions, looking back.

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    I can remember the Yahoo chat rooms of the 90’s. It’s always been doods cybering lesbian sex with each other.

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          I genuinely wonder whether generation of people who played female avatars in MMOs to get free stuff has put the seed of TERFdom and assorted other anti-trans stereotypes into a generation of people’s brains.

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            Nah. transpanic jokes are way older then that. The reveal at the end of the first Ace Ventura movie is an example of that. Good thing the second movie is way better.

            If anything, guys playing as girls in MMOs would have softened the idea of trans people to a lot of people who would have never thought much about it.

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              That’s… a good reason why when I watch Ace Ventura, I skip the first one and pretend there’s no third one.

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                Honestly, even disregarding the reveal at the end of the first one, the second one is still better. It just takes the concept farther and has a better location. I don’t even think most people know there’s a third movie.

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              For whatever reason, I always remembered that being in the second film and not the first; I haven’t seen either since childhood, though, so they both just kind of blend together.

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              A lot of the 4chan-esque toxicity around trans people is some mix of taboo horniness and misogynist commoditization of femininity.

              I don’t think either encourage trans-inclusiveness. The very term “Trap” implies trans people are attempting to exploit other people through their presentation.

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                I’ve always thought of “Trap” as cross dressing with malicious intent. Not term to describe trans people, but it’s not something I consider a hill worth dying on.

                My idea is that “cross dressing” MMO players are just seeding the idea gender non-conformity into the player base’s mind. Not that they’re pro-trans activists.

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                  That’s a much more benevolent way to look at it. But I tended not to see the heavily adolescent male MMO community view men playing as women anything but

                  cross dressing with malicious intent

                  This, combined with the “No girls on the Internet” stigma tended to drive crassness and hostility towards all women avatars.

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        On the internet, anyone who claims to be a woman is really a man. Anyone who claims to be a man is really a child. Anyone who claims to be a child is really an FBI agent.

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        Expected this to be higher on urban dictionary, it’s on the end of 2nd page.

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      Small headcanon:

      Everyone (that doesn’t has a revealed gender) online is a woman until proven otherwise.

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      It’s funny because you can kind of tell based on the username. I’ll tell you right now, almost no guy is going to pick “Bb2” or “quackypeach” as their name

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    Eventually they’ll both think a little more deeply about why they “”“pretended”“” to be girls online. 🤔 😊

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        Ever deliberately let yourself get catfished by an insta “girl” just because they’ll listen to you and act interested in your life for a while?

        Because I haven’t.

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            Oh to be clear it was a complete scam. I mean it would’ve been. And I would’ve known from the start by searching for the pictures they sent on tineye and finding they were from a former r/gonewild poster. Also the fact that they just messaged a random account out of the blue and were instantly smitten and sending nudes like the next day. And the fact that when I said I’m married they were not dissuaded in the least.

            I have no idea if it would’ve been a blackmail scam or a sympathy scam or a phishing scam. I started out just intending to fuck with them, but eventually found I was looking forward to sharing what I made for dinner or drinks or hearing about their fictitious backstory. I mean they weren’t deep conversations, but they acted interested and I could just ramble on about my day or where I like to vacation or whatever mundane shit.

            At first I thought she was going to hit me with checking out her OF and I might’ve even thrown her a few bucks for taking the time to just talk with me. We talked for hours off and on without her asking me for money. I can appreciate establishing a connection, you know? But no. It wasn’t OF. It was just a scammer of some variety. Then I let them know they were busted and got to enjoy hearing the sob story about her evil ex who posted her nudes online and all the excuses she couldn’t prove it was her in any of the fifty ways I offered.

            But sadly our relational ended when she started hitting me with ChatGPT. I don’t need a middleman to pretend I’m talking to someone with an AI.

            Hypothetically, of course.

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    There is a bad bitch inside of all of us lowkey. But at least in RPGs I like to be a chick because I usually like the clothing options.

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        Baldur’s gate made a whole lot of believers; every character in that game is hot as fuck, including the horned demon lady. Especially the horned demon lady.

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          I love everything about BG3

          Proves you can have a gender system that doesn’t feel as forced as “Body Type A/B” and in the process accommodate a larger portion of the gender spectrum.

          It also shows you can be Pro-Woman AND Pro-Sexuality, you don’t need to go the route of “Everyone looks like a guy, and boobs don’t exist”, you can just have hot chicks fucking hot chicks, hot guys fucking hot guys, turn into a bear and get your freak on…

          I get that media’s trying to change its tune to be more inclusive because we’ve kinda just catered to white guys for too long, and gender’s proving slightly more complicated than initially believe, but… BG3 did it in a way that’s actually fun, inclusive, and awesome, instead of feeling like lazy pandering that doesn’t really help anyone outside of Right Wingers looking to get mad about shit.

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    I feel like there are so many dudes who’d fall in love if only both parties were women, and that’s beautiful…

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      Why is that beautiful? Sounds pretty obvious to me. If some of my dude friends were actually women, I’d love to be in a relationship with them. They’re cool dudes.

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      All the straight boys you know have probably at some poiot been devastated to remember they are tecnnically not lesbians, because dick.

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        I had someone tell me “He/Him Lesbians” were a thing recently and they weren’t referring to FTM Transguys either (Which I was relieved by as that would be a horribly offensive thing to call that crowd since a lesbian is a woman who exclusively is attracted to other women, and FTMs are NOT women.) Somedays I just don’t know if I’m getting too old and set in my ways or if the world has just lost the plot.

        These days I just kinda “nod” at things and go along with them even if I don’t agree or understand, within reason of course. (i’m not going to let anyone take fucking dieting advice from a breatharian)

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          he/him lesbians is largely a historical teem referring to lesbians in the 1980s scene who would identify as (typically butch) women but go by he/him pronouns (see stone butch blues)

          (but it’s old enough that some people have rediscovered it)

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          Unpopular opinion : once you start blurring the lines of what gender is, the straightness based definitions of things go out the window.

          An FTM and MTF relationship is something alright. None of my business.

          but, linguistically speaking, I don’t think straight as a label applies to it, even though it’s male + female.

          it ties into the difference between someone being pansexual, and bisexual.

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        Seriously though

        The feminine (and, by extension, lesbian) is constantly portrayed in such a sweet and gentle way and masculine us always so rough that I can’t help but say “lesbian relationships to me, please”

        And I’m a guy.

        Where tf did we lose those cute gentle hetero relationships and representation? Okay there’s GFD, but barely anyone notices it and it’s strictly about women taking the lead and mostly sexual, which is only one side of the story.

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        I am a happily being a guy but I identified with Samuel in that story more than I ever would have guessed would have been possible. I have always been jealous of how easy it is for women to make friends and how tender their friendship are. I have never gotten along with macho guys and multiple times in my life people thought I was gay (I am only attracted to women, I just want tender friendships like women have with each other)…