Somewhat tangential, but my sister-in-law insists that people use “latinx” whenever she hears someone say latino or latina. This despite the fact that latinos overwhelmingly prefer the terms “latino” or “hispanic” to describe themselves; in fact most have never even heard the term latinx and most of those who have are offended by that, not by latino or hispanic. I like pointing out to my (very white) sister-in-law that there is nothing more white than telling other ethnicities what they should or should not be called.
Latino/a individuals have overwhelmingly said “No” to Latinx.
I haven’t had many latina friends, but the ones I have had basically said a slur would actually be less offensive than latinx, and yeah, white people dictating what other cultures can and can’t do… kinda racist…
e ending is what I’ve seen from gender non conforming spanish-as-first-language speakers most often. I’m gonna go with it until it starts being overwhelmed with something else, languages being living things and them being the people who I see as having any right to determine this bit.
They can call themselves latinx and I would call them that as well, if that’s what they choose. The issue is with people (like my sister-in-law) insisting that everybody hispanic should be called latinx.
im just saying, those are the only people who I listen to on this discourse and I will parrot whatever they say, because my tounge absolutely defiles that language every time I try to speak it, and don’t think straight cis people have a right to an opinion here, regardless of their language preference.
Guessing you’re being downvoted because Latino != Spanish just like American != British. “Spanish descent” is applicable to some, but Latino backgrounds are as diverse as American or Canadian backgrounds. It doesn’t refer to a race or culture but to people who identify with the Latin American region (Central and South American and parts of the Caribbean).
This is a TIL for me btw, as I originally was just going to respond that it includes Portugese but then looked up more information about “Latino” because I realized my idea of it was very general and wasn’t sure if those with Aztec descent, for example, would be considered “Latino”. The answer is yes, along with many descendent from areas all over the world, in case the first paragraph didn’t make that clear.
displease the majority to give visibility to the minority. no one is hurt when latinx is used, but the people latinx additionally represents face violence every day
It’s not as simple as pronouns in the English language when it comes to ‘latinx’. The word is not that easy to pronounce to someone who knows Spanish but doesn’t know English all that well, which are the people this word is supposed to include. It’s quite literally imposing English language norms on the Spanish language which can be considered offensive in itself.
Besides, personal opinion but it sounds stupid. If there’s a need to call someone from Latin America a gender neutral term, latine is a much better alternative - it’s more accepted within Spanish speaking communities, -e is already found in non-gendered names within Spanish language and just generally doesn’t sound like something Musk would have written.
Even if that’s the case, it’s almost exclusively an United States American or English speaking phenomenon, so especially if that person was a US American / English speaker they don’t speak for the entire Latino community.
From Pew Research.
the U.S. born are more likely than the foreign born to have heard the term (32% vs. 16%), and Hispanics who are predominantly English speakers or bilingual are more likely than those who mainly speak Spanish to say the same (29% for both vs. 7%).
A majority (61%) say they prefer Hispanic to describe the Hispanic or Latino population in the U.S., and 29% say they prefer Latino. Meanwhile, just 4% say they prefer Latinx to describe the Hispanic or Latino population.
yeah i feel like maybe we should probably just focus on the brunt of the violence (where the brunt of the victims are going to be) instead of like, theorizing words we can use to refer to things that already have words to refer to them in a marginally more PC(is this even the right term for this?) way?
Somewhat tangential, but my sister-in-law insists that people use “latinx” whenever she hears someone say latino or latina. This despite the fact that latinos overwhelmingly prefer the terms “latino” or “hispanic” to describe themselves; in fact most have never even heard the term latinx and most of those who have are offended by that, not by latino or hispanic. I like pointing out to my (very white) sister-in-law that there is nothing more white than telling other ethnicities what they should or should not be called.
Latinx sounds like a new Linux distribution.
we should make it a distro, just to fuck it over. Sounds funny to me.
I support this
What would the default language be?
Latin, obvs
Python of course (coz its such a snake!)
Esperanto.
There isn’t already an Esperanto distro? That feels like something RMS would have fought for
Latinx sounds like a cartoon about Latina fairies.
I thought it was a music genre for a long time.
It should also bee a cool drink or a bag of chips.
LATIN-X!!! THE BEST DRINK YOUR MOM HAS NEVER HEARD OF!!!
sis havin’ an extra slice of that white-savior complex
Saving from what actually? 🤔
Presumably from her guilt
Latino/a individuals have overwhelmingly said “No” to Latinx.
I haven’t had many latina friends, but the ones I have had basically said a slur would actually be less offensive than latinx, and yeah, white people dictating what other cultures can and can’t do… kinda racist…
okay but what do genderqueer people whose first language is spanish say?
Latine! It has the added benefit of being pronounceable in Spanish, unlike latinx.
to be fair I don’t know how to pronounce the x in english either.
but that is the one I’ve heard most often. edit: e not x, most often
The male form doubles as gender neutral. Some people have tried to start using -e ending, but I’m pretty sure basically no one actually uses it.
Edit: Gotta love the dualing anecdote replies.
e ending is what I’ve seen from gender non conforming spanish-as-first-language speakers most often. I’m gonna go with it until it starts being overwhelmed with something else, languages being living things and them being the people who I see as having any right to determine this bit.
As someone who is native of a romance language, I would prefer using the male form. It doesn’t feels 100%, but it’s worth it.
They can call themselves latinx and I would call them that as well, if that’s what they choose. The issue is with people (like my sister-in-law) insisting that everybody hispanic should be called latinx.
im just saying, those are the only people who I listen to on this discourse and I will parrot whatever they say, because my tounge absolutely defiles that language every time I try to speak it, and don’t think straight cis people have a right to an opinion here, regardless of their language preference.
I’ve never heard of anyone having strong feelings, one way or the other, outside of the Internet.
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Most of the Latino people I know are down to be called Spanish. Latinx is ridiculous.
Guessing you’re being downvoted because Latino != Spanish just like American != British. “Spanish descent” is applicable to some, but Latino backgrounds are as diverse as American or Canadian backgrounds. It doesn’t refer to a race or culture but to people who identify with the Latin American region (Central and South American and parts of the Caribbean).
This is a TIL for me btw, as I originally was just going to respond that it includes Portugese but then looked up more information about “Latino” because I realized my idea of it was very general and wasn’t sure if those with Aztec descent, for example, would be considered “Latino”. The answer is yes, along with many descendent from areas all over the world, in case the first paragraph didn’t make that clear.
People just don’t know how many Latino people refer to themselves as Spanish. Especially in urban areas and traveling workers.
it’s about the minority that don’t feel as though latino/a doesn’t describe them. it’s not for the majority favored by the status quo
So displease the majority to please the minority?
“when you try to please everyone, you please nobody”
displease the majority to give visibility to the minority. no one is hurt when latinx is used, but the people latinx additionally represents face violence every day
It’s not as simple as pronouns in the English language when it comes to ‘latinx’. The word is not that easy to pronounce to someone who knows Spanish but doesn’t know English all that well, which are the people this word is supposed to include. It’s quite literally imposing English language norms on the Spanish language which can be considered offensive in itself.
Besides, personal opinion but it sounds stupid. If there’s a need to call someone from Latin America a gender neutral term, latine is a much better alternative - it’s more accepted within Spanish speaking communities, -e is already found in non-gendered names within Spanish language and just generally doesn’t sound like something Musk would have written.
well the term was created by a latinx individual so that’s a bit of a moot point. I do agree that latine makes more sense but what do I know
Source?
Even if that’s the case, it’s almost exclusively an United States American or English speaking phenomenon, so especially if that person was a US American / English speaker they don’t speak for the entire Latino community.
From Pew Research.
i will note that latine, and latrine are very similar. So maybe not that one
im pretty sure everybody faces potential violence every day, but what do i know.
yes but obviously some people face real violence every day
yeah i feel like maybe we should probably just focus on the brunt of the violence (where the brunt of the victims are going to be) instead of like, theorizing words we can use to refer to things that already have words to refer to them in a marginally more PC(is this even the right term for this?) way?
On the other hand its basically Americans telling others how to speak their language.
latinx was coined by a latinx activist