And we shouldn’t allow this concept to go unchallenged here on Lemmy.
Commenting on an active post is not brigading
Posting a link to something is not brigading
Commenting on something you were linked to is not brigading
The only thing that might be brigading, but isn’t because it isn’t a real thing, is someone explicitly going, “Hey everyone, go here and harass this person”
It’s all fine and good that we have some new rules to keep the peace with other instances but we must fight against 
I forgot how fragile and cowardly liberals on the internet are. Hexbear has spoiled me because you get actual communication with people who are willing to defend their beliefs in a passionate, level way without getting nasty.
Even just calmly telling someone “hey we can’t downvote you” is seen as harassment
In retrospect, it’s funny how the liberals on lemmy.ml were haughtily saying “This may have been a tankie space once, but we will overwhelm them eventually and make it clear that they aren’t welcome here” and then Hexbear comes in and they shit themselves.
they thought the reddit wave would be bigger but it turns out redditors like feeling smug more than actually leaving the corporate walled garden. so they aren’t thaaat big and a good % of those who did come here are at least vaguely leftist. That plus hexbear=no more unchallenged “ebil seeseepee” type circlejerks
we have literally spent hours talking about thought terminating cliches, ready to fight them
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It’s extremely weird. Like I’m just commenting on what appears on my all page, how is that brigading? It’s literally a feature of the website.
Liberals are used to games with rigged rules (“”“International Rules Based Order”""🙄) and when the playing field is level it feels to them like everyone else is suddenly cheating
That’s how the most of the internet works. The site admins of whatever community impose hegemonic rules about acceptable discourse and then purge everything outside that. It’s how we work, it’s just that we got rid of all the bigots and shitheads. In a normal community a landlord runs the instance, bans everyone who wants to shoot landlords, and tolerates bigots as long as they don’t literally say the N word too many times in a row. Here the hegemony is flipped on it’s head - Any kind of bigotry gets you banned fast, and you can actually name names when talking about why society sucks without having to pretend this isn’t a knife fight to the death.
The difference is we understand why the conditions in other instances are the way they are, as you’ve laid out. and they think the conditions here are a bot farm, some kind of organized plot, or otherwise illegitimate
They can’t wrap their heads around it so they just yell cheaters!
Counterpoint: I’m a huge baby.
Didn’t think of that one, did ya, pinko!?
It seems to me that instance has a very evident and festering
problem, which is incredibly strange for what is supposed to be a pro-trans instance.They’re being tone policed down to
levels, but they’re still spreading the same hateful talking points that prevents the free expression that the admin team supposedly desires.This is my first time seeing it first hand but it’s so obvious and transparent that their liberal well intentioned inclusiveness has already backfired horrifically. When hexbear users confront these tone-adjusted fascists and question their hateful anti-left stance (something the mods and admin team should be doing but lack the spine) they cry and demand defed because their views absolutely can not stand up to any sort of serious analysis.
I will say I would not have seen this without federation. It genuinely makes me appreciate the amazing community thats been cultivated here because it’s not easy to challenge, and remove, a polite abuser standing next to you.
If anyone is communicating with their admin team, I think they should be told to wake up because it will only get worse before their community is co-opted and they’re the ones being “tolerated.” I am being constantly reminded of this https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?t=677
The fact that calling it out plays in to the fascists hands is pretty depressing too.
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Just to clarify what I meant, I personally don’t mind remaining federated but I’m still new here. I think fascists should absolutely be challenged, argued with, and shut down, but it’s not even something I’m totally comfortable with doing myself yet.
I’m condescending because it’s hard to express, but I feel sad for them because I can’t tell if their admin team has been bullied in to submission by that one community or something else. It’s condescending of me because their instance has a ton of history and I can’t possibly comprehend it in the couple of days we’ve been federated. I think all the admin posts I’ve read have been fairly reasonable but are coming from a passive and overly tolerant lib mindset. I still remember being there (still am really) and it’s a horrible feeling.
Anyways, thanks for everything you all do!
I think fascists should absolutely be
challenged, argued with, andshut downThe only option, imo. If we’re talking about arguing in good faith, it’s no use with fascists. Bad faith is their whole point.
I agree, but if we’re on other instances I only mean to correct their bigotry and false statements so others see that they’re wrong.
Ideally they’d be banned already and there’s nothing to respond to.
I wanted to reiterate what Melonius said about appreciating the hard work you and the other mods do. You’ve made this such an amazing space and seeing the broader fediverse really brought it home.
Can I ask what it means for us to have us defeded and block vs allow them?
I thought if either party blocked the other it was the same as both blocking one another?
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Just to make sure I understand, if they blocked and we left the allow list as is, that would also be the case, right?
Is it just so the other instance can’t unilaterally turn federation on and off?
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Wait till the realization sinks in that this is just the normal, organic amount of engagement they get from us because we’re by far the most active lemmy instance
Never Log Off Gang
I do not log off, I make my enemies log off -The guy from Struggle Session idk it’s been years since I listened
People have been saying for years “soon, they will stop soon”
And I just say See you in 3 more years, let us know what you think
Never stop
As with all internet spaces, eventually Hexbear will grow old and die. And hopefully like a half a dozen even worse communities will grow from the corpse.
And people with sub 10 comment accounts will spam blahaj begging to split the largest LGBT communities and no lib over there will question it even though splitting is against everything queers fight for
Reddit, the site that’s designed to have as many eyes as possible look at as wide a variety of posts as possible to bring about engagement has rules against the wrong people engaging.
Rule #1: do not be a communist
Pretty much. And don’t upvote the wrong things. And definitely don’t fuck up their idea of how the algo should work because you post too much.
Literally every dog pile I have seen has been some nerd talking shit, a chapo or 2 posting in good faith, the nerd says something extra stupid… nerd gets dog piled.
you see, when I call you a Chinese bot, or fake Russian names I’m being a very reasonable discussion partner
when you call me out for being a weird racist it’s brigading, trolling, 4chan, and the type of behavior that needs to be defederated from
Death to Russia = non-political
Death to NATO = I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF COMMENT
also weird that one is a country full of people and the other is an aggressive military alliance, If one died a whole lot of normal people would die, plus some war criminals
if Nato died it’d just be dead war criminals
dead war criminals
Ahem, I believe you mean “People of NATO”
Usually its 2-3 chapos calling someone a dipshit lib for posting a bad take, and then someone comes along with an nice effortpost an hour or so later.
Like, i approve of it, people get too used to not being called a dipshit. But newgangs first posters on the scene usually come in hot.
Usually its 2-3 chapos calling someone a dipshit lib for posting a bad take, and then someone comes along with an nice effortpost an hour or so later.
The ol’ one-two
But newgangs first posters on the scene usually come in hot.
New gang has been advised to tell you to talk to our lawyer.
Reddit doesn’t have issues with brigading anymore, because brigading is when you post on r/ChapoTrapHouse and also post on other subreddits.
I suppose it follows that Lemmy brigading is when you post on Hexagonal Bear dot Net and also post on other lemmy instances.
when you post on r/ChapoTrapHouse
Have you been around long enough to remember the obsession with ShitRedditSays?
SRS was so powerful for it’s size. Rent free in the heads of every Redditor to this day
Yeah. Incredibly powerful posting energy. Kinda sad its a ghost town now.
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And now the mod of /c/196 is shitting all over Carcosa, just rubbing shit all over Carcosa and our collective faces. This is what happens when you try to pander to bad faith liberals. Why must we collectively give rimjobs to these fucking losers?
😞
I agree. It’ll suck if the two instances with the largest trans communities on lemmy defederate, but there seems to be irreconcilable political differences here that will make continued federation impossible.
From what I see, most users on blahaj, especially the 196 community specifically, have swallowed the state department party line hook, line, and sinker. If you literally believe in all of the CIA atrocity propaganda, then you also believe “tankies” are fascists pretending to be leftists. This disagreement is fundamental, and it can not be fixed by any degree of increased civility or politeness.
And from the looks of their discussion thread on continued federation with Hexbear, it’s their admin more than anyone else delaying the inevitable defederation, their users are mostly cheering to cut us off. They’ve given us one week to see how it goes, but I don’t feel confident things will change.
When they do end up defederating, I hope the new c/the_dunk_tank rules can be repealed because it seems they’ve been put in place nearly entirely to appease blahaj.
To me, it’s no longer just ideology but how their administrative team is completely slimey. Why would the admin bother to have this sham poll when it’s really obvious a supermajority of people would instantly vote to defed from us? It goes back to my comment about people acting in bad faith. She already knows the userbase wants to defed from us and she probably wants to defed from us too, but she doesn’t want to own up to being the person to pull the plug of the great trans federation, so she’s going to have this sham poll, wait for the very predictable result, and say, “Sorry, I wanted the federation to work, but the userbase wants to defed and I place the needs of my userbase first,” in effect pushing responsibility away from herself. This is extremely transparent in what she’s trying to do, extremely obvious to people who weren’t born yesterday.
Great, now they get to portray us as 4chan Nazis or whatever they like after we’re gone uncontested.
Hexbear double genocide theory, exploding heads Nazis yelling slurs at you is the same as hexbear users calling you a liberal
I like how they’re also preloading some arguements that if the vote is to stay federated, it’s hexbears voting with socks. Then the admin says they’ll adjust how the totals are counted until it seems legit to them.
If hexbear users are fired up enough to vote tamper, it’s going to be for defed, because they don’t particularly like blahaj.
Then the admin says they’ll adjust how the totals are counted until it seems legit to them.
Ah yes, my favorite liberal democracy move, adjusting the totals until it ‘makes sense’.
Its the June 4th Tiannemen thing that gets me. The 1932 famine is complicated. There’s plenty of room to just say "look all these reputable historians say terror famine! You can just ignore the tankie historians who say it was complicated. But there’s nothing complicated about June 4th. What they think happen didn’t happen, it’s widely agreed that it didn’t happen. I don’t even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.
I don’t even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.
Every neoliberal thinktank and media outlet. What the historical record says is irrelevant in that context.
What the historical record says is irrelevant in that context.
I’m getting high school level understanding of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact thrown at me as an example of fascist/communist sympathy/equivalence.
God I hate that bullshit. History starts when the commies do something they don’t like, and then stops immediately after, and then blips back in to existence the second commies do something they don’t like again. Everything happens in perfect isolation with the only connecting thread being the involvement of some kind of communistish government.
Yeah, I personally haven’t seen that gem specifically from blahaj, but they say shit that stupid and worse. It’s like they get their views from those shitty revisionist history youtube channels following the Hardcore History wave.
Yeah, that shit sucked. Bummed me out.
uSe A nOn-PaRtiCiPaTiOn LiNk wHeN lInKiNg A tHrEaD fRoM aNoThEr SuBrEdDiTThey will cry out to me not to participate… and I will say… “No”
Folks really haven’t grasped that federation means it’s not “your community” anymore, you’re basically a subreddit now, with all the horrors that entails.
They’re really crushing this speed run.
“Were creating a decentralized space where different opinions and people can all interact with each other to whatever extent the users want”
“Hey why are there people here saying that Biden isn’t the savior of the working class, clearly this is harassment”
It vibes strongly with the “outside agitator” discourse that always shows up during mass protests. “Surely our wonderful posters would never dunk on me, it must be outsiders coming in to persecute me!”
It’s 1865 and “outside Agitators” are riling up minorities
It’s 1965 and “outside agitators” are riling up minorities
It’s 1991 and “outside agitators” are riling up minorities
It’s 2020 and “outside agitators” are riling up minorities
I tire of these Democrats. I tire of their dissembling
The liberals are welcome to come in here and “brigade” us as well. We won’t complain. We’ll just dunk.
And probably get accused of brigading our own threads or something.
Everyone knows that any form of dissent is actually brigading, and the more dissent there is, the more you’re being brigaded.
The brigading claims get extremely annoying when it’s made by someone who just posted something extremely wrong and is now getting corrected by a bunch of people with more knowledge of the facts.
Brigading is when leftists are the most active posters and the more terminally online they are the more brigading it is.
My favorite thing is when they accuse hexbear of downvote brigading. I’ve seen it a couple times.
Someone in one of the federation threads posted a screenshot of their comments with negative karma as proof that they were downvoted for comments on Hexbear.
No bro, you could only have downvotes from other federated users, guess your take was that trash.
I like when they accuse us of calling them specific insults, and then I can’t tell what ones because it’s blocked by the filter.
LOL
I honestly forgot the fediverse has downvotes.
How dare you comment on my thread I put on the internet to attract comments on!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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