cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1255681
Archived version: https://archive.ph/tAw7a
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230809205032/https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66457089
Yeah, umm… what did he think would happen when he threatened the life of a sitting president?
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It’s worth pointing out that the victim probably isn’t in social circles where the government killing people for no reason all the time gets much attention. Hyperreality is a serious thing, the guy’s worldview probably makes it seem like free speech exists, unless it’s a bad slur on facebook dot commie.
a death sqaud in a banana republic … psychic evaluation in a civilisation ?
I mean what was supposed to happen? Are we meant to be scared of the FBI? They can’t even take down an overweight elderly man with a combover…
The guy openly posted that the FBI wouldn’t dare raid him because they’d get a 45 ACP in the face. I’m no law enforcement apologist but that kind of boast can put people on edge. Specific threats of violence should never be acceptable.
I also prefer my threats of violence to be vague and unactionable.
I’ll see you soon.
Not if I see you first.
My god you are such a troublesome priest…
I’m not a priest, buddy.
I’m not your buddy, pal
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"The complaint said Robertson came to the attention of federal agents in March after he posted a threat against Mr Bragg on Truth Social, the social network owned by Mr Trump. The company alerted the FBI’s National Threat Operations Center.
FBI agents then visited the suspect, who told them that the post was a “dream” and ended the conversation by saying: “We’re done here! Don’t return without a warrant!”"
Not only does Truth Social narc on him, but the “dreams” defense was a true sign of just how far gone that asshole was.
You know you goofed when Truth Social turns you in to the feds
Truth social is in it for the grift, not for the heat. They aren’t really the revolutionary counterculture fortress they make themselves out to be. They just figured out that stupid people are easy to monetize. Which is rapidly becoming MBA canon for all social media.
Honestly monetizing stupidity if you don’t have any personal morals is exceptionally easy. I often get jealous at the revenues even some of the simplest of these gifts are, and monkeypaw wish I was a shittier person.
It’s why every scammer goes after old people. They usually aren’t as sharp as they once were unfortunately…
My coworker just told me a story about his grandmother being robbed of 300k because some asshat came to her house and said she absolutely had to have the roof redone asap or it would collapse on her… She drove him to the bank and emptied her account… I was infuriated hearing about that and that he got away…
Why do you say that? Do you think an obvious grift like truth social isn’t going to be play nice with the government? Why would any action they do hold more weight then something like facebook, reddit or lemmy?
They’re taking away his right to free dreams.
I imagine they put him down like a dog after he said that. I also imagine they just killed him first and made up that statement afterwards. Who’s going to contradict the crazed armed murderers, not the dead guy I can tell you that, just ask Fred Hampton.
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It all boils down to, there used to be subbed crazy idiot mouthing off to his phone. Then the cops came and now there’s a dead body.
This is what’s on the table with cop interaction, they’re going to kill you. They know the game better than you, they’ll always find a way to justify it and you’ll be too much of a rotting course to care.
The messages continued as late as Tuesday, when he posted: “Perhaps Utah will become famous this week as the place a sniper took out Biden the Marxist.”
The world is lesser now that we have lost this great mindGuy just wanted Biden to live up to the legacy of the first Catholic president
lol dumbass didn’t even add “in Minecraft” to his posts
Completely forgot this was a thing lol
inb4 he’s turned into a martyr.
This is just the first step of Biden’s ethnic cleansing of white cishet Christians.
You promise?
100% surious. 4 real this time.
Isn’t Biden a white cishet Christian? Unless you don’t consider Catholics as Christian
good thing my family are catholic then
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Virgin Putin
- Let’s Prigo get away with an armed coup attempt
- Everybody laughs at him
Vs.
Chad Biden
- Has guy who wrote dumb threats against him online killed
- Strikes fear in the hearts of his enemies
At least he went out doing what he loved… being an idiot.
Another member of Ya’l-Qaeda dusted, and nothing much of value was lost.
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I don’t if he could read before, but certainly he cannot read any more.
Reminds me of the guy who tried to break into a secure building with a gun , became frustrated by the bullet proof glass, and then hid in a field in the middle of his shoot-out with the cops to post some updates about his shoot-out.
This kind of guy is just going to become a thing in American culture now, I guess.
Honestly if there wasn’t going to be innocent people caught in the crossfire, I’d be all for right-wing nutters starting shootouts with cops to be a thing. Hearing about a dead
or an 
on the news wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world.Becoming Grand Nagus changed you, Rom. :( I’d rather see the nutters get therapy and the corrupt cops get fired.
Not even a gun. It was a fucking nail gun. Half-assed approach to domestic terrorism these days.
counterpoint:
Apparently they can be good for getting through safety glass that would stop bullets? Idk
Except that these are completely different. In this case the guys home was broken into by a bunch of uniformed gangsters
hog on hog violence, you love to see it!
I like it when bad things happen to right wingers
Same, those fucking “right-wingers” advocating for universal healthcare, the overthrow of capitalism, and the uprising for the proletariat.
Oh what’s that? That isn’t a right-wing thing? Well I just had the federal government murder you, and obviously the federal government would only murder “right-wingers” so I’m sure it’s you who was mistaken.
What’s this soft-ass “oh, but what if they do it to you?” bullshit? I’ll be mad about that a per-case basis when it happens but i’m not gonna be upset some dumbfuck I probably wanted clapped anyways gets clapped.
Hot Take. Cops killing people in no knock-raids is bad, even if you think “they deserved it.”
You think this guy was left wing?
No? But if it were politically convenient, he would be framed that way and he’d be dead no matter what. Bsically if you think that the government should murder “right-wingers” you are just a fascist.
What a shit take.
I don’t know that I would call that fascism. I think leftist governments (which we do not have) killing right wingers (frequently actual fascists) has been an unfortunate but inevitable part of defending revolutions historically. But a right wing government killing right wingers is something else entirely.
We can more or less expect our right wing government to kill leftists, because it has always done that, continues to, and would be doing a lot more of it now if there were actually more leftists wielding any sort of power. You can about count on one hand the number of right wingers the cops have murdered for political reasons, so I’m not sure the “what if they do it to us” hypothetical is all that illuminating. Because again, they always have been doing it to us.
You might find it in poor taste, but I can understand somebody not being too broken up about the shoe being on the other foot for once. Also, if this guy was posting about shooting the “Marxist” joe Brandon, I’m pretty sure he’s exactly the type of person who would happily shoot as many actual marxists as possible given the right opportunity. So I guess I’m not all that broken up about it either.
Though i do wonder if he had dementia. In which case it is in fact somewhat sad.
A leftwing government killing actual fascists can be fine. A right wing government deploying door-to-door death squads on people some of which happen to include actual fascists is never fine and the only people cheering that shit on are piece of shit cowards or just Liberals, for short.
Well, yes… but what does that have to do with any of this? Is that actually how you would characterize what happened to this guy? Or that the people laughing at the irony of his demise are “liberals cheering on door to door death squads?” That just seems like a deliberate misreading of both the events and the reaction to them.
Look at the comments in this thread. People think that what happened to him is justified, correct, and expected.
Top voted comment is police apologia and giving them the benefit of the doubt, which if you’ve paid attention, should never be granted to the police.
Second comment is “what did he think would happen for threatening the life of a sitting president.” As if posting on facebook should obviously result in the FBI coming to kill you in a predawn no-knock raid.
Tons more with similar sentiment that obviously the police are the good guys here and it was correct that this guy should have been killed by him.
The police force shouldn’t be summarily executing people like this, you’re right about that.
But this post conveys a very strange and counter-productive understanding of what fascism is and what makes someone a fascist. Might as well be saying ‘if you think drinking water shouldn’t be privatised you are just a stalinist’. If we want to stop fascism, we have to understand what it is, and that isn’t it. If anything, a fascist furiously opposes governments murdering “right-wingers”… for pretty obvious reasons.
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What the fuck are you on about?
Ok so either he drew a gun on them or they executed him. Well it should be cleared up quickly with body cam footage.
What’s that? No body cam footage?
Right, then I’m going to have to assume they executed him while he was surrendering peacefully.
(I voted for biden, but I also don’t trust the fbi to miss a chance to shoot someone)
I think it’s hilarious that anyone trusts the FBI right now. They have been actively involved in sabotaging progressive groups and socialist demonstrations basically since their inception. And now Republicans have a massice gripe because we have like a dozen agents that say they have been silenced after whistleblowing related to Jan 6th.
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You can assume it but would you bet any meaningful amount of money on it?
This guy literally directly threatened to kill FBI agentssfyer they came to talkvto him.
“Next up on Fox News… The libs have weaponized the FBI and are executing innocent conservatives for exercising their freedumb of speech!”
That was already aired months ago, this will just be a follow up story that they use as “proof”
Yes, the parties of Capital use the state-monopoly on violence to enforce the status quo. How old are you that you don’t realize this?
In bad country you can be punished or even jailed for talking about government officials. Not here in America though.
What country don’t deal with violent threats against their politician seriously? Are you suggesting people should act as if threats are protected speech
every country with a justice system ???
no really … its not normalto do extra judical killings …
I’m gonna throw this out there: if we’re gonna have freedom of speech, it has to include advocating for the violent overthrow of the government.
The people are supposed to be in control, not the government and if the people have the rhetorical means to take their government down taken away in such a manner, they’re not in control anymore. And we see where that kind of thinking leads us
I honestly always thought free speech was a dumb idea that in execution almost solely benefits people who wanna use hate speech and shit anyhow. When was the last time someone actually said something that needed to be said and didn’t get torn a new asshole for it?
At the very least, the American conception’s total trash and we’re still expected to act like it’s the best thing since sliced bread despite it mostly being used to stick up for people that’d get kicked off any self respecting IRC channel in minutes.
Here’s the problem: everyone is fundamentally misinterpreting free speech. It doesn’t mean what people think it does: it’s not about stopping government oppression, it’s about enforcing fundamental respect for human beings, which means hate speech is banned regardless – because bigotry and hate speech by its nature censors other human beings, because it creates an environment where people are discredited and shunned by their peers for stupid reasons, denying them their right to be respected and heard. Hate speech isn’t speech, it’s censorship, and needs to be treated as a censoring act and not as speech since it’s not speech, it’s an action done with intent.
When people adopt that definition of free speech, we can go back to having our cake and eating it too and we’ll start to get back on the right path.
this explicitly not the text of the first amendment, but that document is garbage anyway so it doesn’t matter. I agree with you, but with an additional point: money is not speech and any attempt to use it as such must be squashed if democracy is to have any meaning.
Totally fair and reasonable
careful you’re gonna get a bunch of people calling you a commie.
Mate if I made violent threats about the king or prime minister here in the UK I’d get someone politely knocking on my door and giving me a solid talking to. lmao
It is fucking wild that yanks just think this is normal behaviour. You live in a country that will kick down your door and execute you for posting something stupid on the internet and think that’s what happens everywhere else?
Did the FBI came kicking down his door or did they come to talk to him only for him to refuse and demand a warrant. How would you be treated in the UK if you acted similarly?
Are you out of your mind? They would go away and get a warrant, for a gun thing they wouldn’t even show up without one.
There have only been 80 fatal police shootings in the UK since 1990. In 32 years.
In the USA there have been 8,694 since 2015.
You live in a fascist jackbooted police state where the cops kick down people’s doors and execute them mate. Your failure to recognise this is simply a matter of seeing it as normal when it is completely fucking INSANE by the standards of literally every other country in the world.
Just like they did here. For all we know, there was a shootout that resulted in his death. We don’t have enough info to know what actually happened on during the raid.
The fact that people in the US have more guns than the UK is a major reason there are more police shootings in the US. If more criminals possess a gun, of course it is more likely that they would start a shootout that results in death.
Who’s living in a police state? Why are you assuming I’m from the US? Can you not make baseless assumptions about other people when arguing. I feel like you’re not even talking to me but to an imaginary strawman.
Your last argument is literally useless since I also think the US is insane when it comes to police killings. I just don’t assume everytime that it is simply police brutality because the US has more issues than just that. The amount of guns among the public also contribute to those stats.
“For all we know” is a cop out. You’re giving american cops the benefit of the doubt when they have explicitly demonstrated that you should never ever do that.
Yes. Until the person takes an action like bringing a rifle to within range of the president and actually attempting to assassinate said president, then it’s free speech and you should stop being a fascist.
Making threats isn’t a capital offense but it’s also jot protected speech. It never has been.
Making threats with intent to carry them out and ability to do so is not protected speech. The tricky part is proving intent to actually carry out the threat like having written plans.
I am thinking maybe some free speech here might be appreciated
