When Lord of the Flies happened in real life, everyone was nice to each and they survived
That’s amazing. They continuously maintained a fire, set up a farm of chickens and grown produce, and even healed another kids leg.
What a great read…thanks for sharing the link.
Glad i had the chance to share it !
The authors book Human Kind (Rutger Bregman) argues that we have developed a pessimistic view of ourselves - and the vast majority of humans are basically decent people.
It’s got a lot of similar stories, where he revisits historical events and science experiments that have been used to paint humans as feral animals - and manages to debunk them, or at least expose the fragility of that argument.
He suggests that Survival of the Fittest is also a flawed concept - and that humans have succeeded because of superior collaboration and cooperation.
Review (and better synopsis) here - but it’s a heart warming read.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/12/humankind-a-hopeful-history-by-rutger-bregman-review
But survival of the fittest is the basis of capitalism. How ever could we reconcile that!?
Smash capitalism, obv
I think being stuck on an island with resources makes you work together, if it was a life or death apocalyptic scenario, I can see how selfishness and self preservation would prevail.
“Survival of the fittest” is a pop sci misinterpretation of On The Origin of Species. It’s flawed because it’s some made up shit.
Sample size too small
it has the advantage of not being a work of fiction.
Repeatedly history has shown that in dire circumstances, we help each other. Across time and cultures, in times of need, people get less selfish. When a natural disaster hits, or when a terrorist attack happens, people open their doors and pull out the spare mattresses and share food and clothing and volunteer to help and start patrolling the streets, even risking their own lives while doing so.
It’s a well studied effect, and when you think about it for more than 5 seconds, we are a social animal first and foremost so of course “reverting back to out instincts” means building communities and helping others. Civilization makes us more selfish, not the other way around.Reality makes for terrible fiction though because most fiction is written through the lens of character conflict (especially in Hollywood) and “people help each other but some people die anyway from lack of resources or zombie attacke” is boring, so we have been “taught” to expect the opposite of what actually happens when shit hits the fan (actually I’d love a TV show to delve into that, like TLoU kinda did, but Hollywood is notoriously terrible at writing socio-cultural commentary).
It’s possible to give examples of the terrible things people do when faced with difficult situations too. Human nature is kind of a duality in this aspect.
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Like survivor but with teens?
This was great. Thanks for the article
This article sucked me in. What a great read
Look up his book ! Lots more of same. See my other reply
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/12/humankind-a-hopeful-history-by-rutger-bregman-review
I came to the comments hoping someone would say this.
Then there was the time they tried doing a reality show with just kids, and they shut it down in a day cause it became Lord of the flies and the kids turned into little psychos
Kid Nation did a full season.
Damn you, Mr Taniela Uhila
There was only one obstacle. None of them owned a boat, so they decided to “borrow” one from Mr Taniela Uhila, a fisherman they all disliked.
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But this wasn’t the end of the boys’ little adventure, because, when they arrived back in Nuku‘alofa police boarded Peter’s boat, arrested the boys and threw them in jail. Mr Taniela Uhila, whose sailing boat the boys had “borrowed” 15 months earlier, was still furious, and he’d decided to press charges.
Very important detail, Lord of The Flies only happens with British Children.
Did you their accent originated from rats?
No I did their not
Few word no do trick.
Some time do trick, this no some time
They don’t think it be like it is, but it do
I understood. It work.
Explicitly, in fact. That’s the whole deal with the Naval officer at the end.
Quickly! Seize the conch while everyone else is confused!
Lit.
This book left such a big impression on me. Amazing pacing towards the end, I really couldn’t put it down.
Lord of the Flies says a lot about
how intensely shitty rich boarding school kids become sociopathssociety.
Brilliant.
Piggy got rocked
Lol
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Here’s the thing. A response like this on reddit wouldn’t have surprised me. But imagine what would happen if folks on the internet re-engaged the public filter of “ya know, I don’t really need to respond to this.” How much more pleasant life might be if everyone considered that from time to time.
inb4 something something irony, something something hypocrite
What’s your issue with the response? They’re expressing their surprise and appreciation of something shared.
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Not really. It’s an indication of my awareness that I could have also just chosen to not say anything and moved on with my days plans of hosting a Rocky Horror movie night with a bunch of friends in my driveway. But I made a decision, just like you, again, made a decision to respond in a non-constructive way.
Normally I might agree but the person at the top of the comment chain is a hexbear user
fart noise
Shut it ya nerd
lol
This
The door locks from the hallway?
Just the door to the English Lit room.
Must not be an American school.
I never read this anyone wanna explain?
A class of schoolboys get marooned on an island (can’t remember how; plane crash?). They initially try to have a civilized society, but everything devolves terribly. They resort to factions and degrees of savagery (violence) by the end of the book when they ultimately get rescued. I think the people who find them are shocked by what they’ve become.
The lord of the flies is a rotting pig’s head that one of the boys interprets as such due to a medical condition (epilepsy, maybe?) There’s a ton more to be said about it, but I haven’t read it in many years. The gist of the joke is that by locking the students in, they will be made to experience devolution first-hand over time.
And hey, because the word came up, new-wave / post-punk band Devo are playing their farewell tour. Tickets were higher than I can justify (I’ve never been a fan per se and would be going just to see a cultural icon), but if you’re into them, go Devolve and have a fun time.
Oh, ETA: they initially formed their society by one boy blowing into a conch shell to draw others together. I missed the conch in the final frame.
The setting of the book is ww2, children are evacuated via planes, but the planes are shot down, and only the children survive on island without any parents left. And the story begins around here. This is what the meme is referencing.
wow so Lord of the Flies completely stole that plot-line from Yellowjackets?
authors can’t write anything original anymore smh smh
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