The other side is already scouring obscure precedent to use to disqualify and deport him. So while this is great news, I won’t hold my breath for any sort of actual election victory past the primary.
Going through the motions of elections right now feels very much pointless since only someone incredibly naive would think that the right has any intention of allowing elections to matter any more.
The sooner Americans realise that it’s Let Them Eat Cake time the sooner they can move on with guillotine o’clock.
Peaceful protests, boycotts and sternly worded letters rely on the people you’re protesting having a sense of shame. Which the right (and most of the left) no longer have.
This is not nearly as true as it seems. Sustained protest and sustained cultural change can and does work.
Hell, look at all these nazis covering their faces. You think they’re proud? Republicans in Congress are incapable of making eye contact with their co-workers. Proudly defiant my ass, these people know the score.
Far more of them are looking to hop off that burning pile of shit than we realize, and we need to openly be a place where everybody who abandoned that loser ship for real can come join the normal people looking to stop it.
Yes. They are proud.
I hate to tell you, but they’re not covering their face out of a sense of shame; they’re covering them in order to prevent retaliation from people who disagree with them. They have no shame about what they’re doing.
If they are recognised and shunned, or refused service because of their actions, there’s no shame or self-reflection. it’s still the fault of the “damn libs”. THAT’S why they cover their faces; because they know they’re actions are unpopular and will get them retaliated against.
But knowing their actions are unpopular doesn’t mean for a second that they’re ashamed of those actions. On the contrary, the fuckers are proud to be doing Trumps dirty work.
Peaceful protests, boycotts and sternly worded letters rely on the people you’re protesting having a sense of shame. Which the right (and most of the left) no longer have.
They can do a lot more than that - it can scare them, and that will have an effect.
At their core, Conservatives are cowards. They are literally afraid of EVERYTHING - it’s their primary characteristic. They want to remain in their safe little bubble, with no changes to anything. Any changes can only bring uncertainty, and uncertainty is terrifying to them.
So when the crowds at the protests get larger and larger, week by week, they begin to realize that they are outnumbered, especially the leadership, who KNOWS they cheated to win the election, and know they don’t have anywhere near the numbers on their side that they claim. They know that when the Tipping Point arrives, and the Left finally rises up, they don’t stand a chance.
All they have to defend themselves is empty bluster, and they are scared shitless that we all see it, which we do. That HitlerPig/ Hegseth presser this morning is a perfect examples. Those were two frightened cowards, demanding that everybody acknowledge their empty power, and hoping nobody will realize how weak they really are.
So protests, boycotts, letter campaigns, etc. all serve to amp up their fear, and sooner or later they will do something about it. It’s likely that the first reaction will be violent, but when the counter-response is crushing, and continues to be crushing, they will quickly start demanding to make a deal.
That’s when we should purge MAGA once and for all. No mercy.
You basically have to clone Mamdani to fill out all the positions he should have.
Start with the 128 Democrats who voted with Republicans to table an impeachment vote this week.
I’ve got one in my district. I’ll be on board with all efforts going forward to replace him.
Me, too. Guy is a typical weak, ineffective nothing. I would vote for any strong-willed Democrat who opposed him.
Just be on the lookout for Sinemas hiding among the progressives.
Hogg them all.
I’m a Hogger.
Hoggers are number 1! Hoggers are gonna go all the way this year!
Hoggs out for harambe
Keep your Hoggs cranked
AROOOOO
Primary every last one.
This isn’t even time-specific advice. Strong primaries, everywhere, for everything, all the time should be the norm.
The best way to have a Dem win the general, is a healthy primary.
If it’s not then the only way shitty Dems get out of office, is giving the seat to a Republican.
The myth that primaries hurt in the general is a lie spread by neoliberals. It’s bad for them because if you compare a neoliberl to literally anyone that’s not a Republican, they look like a turd sandwich.
Are you saying we shouldn’t vote blue no matter who?
Both. Vote your heart in the primary, head in the general. Whatever BS they put out is going to be better than the alternative, but if everyone shows up to primaries it might be actually decent.
Vote your heart in the primary
You mean like I’ve been doing for the last 25 years as shit continually got worse?
Yeah. It got worse slower than the alternative, which is my point. If you’re losing primaries, you don’t have much of an active base. Primaries validate active bases.
Screw blue. If everyone votes blue, no matter who, we still live in a fascist, capitalist country going down the drain because politicians would rather cash checks from their corporate masters than do what’s right. We need actual reform.
Since it has to rhyme, vote progressive, not regressive?
Very obviously no.
You say that because you’re a rational person. The people he was replying to. Thought it was more important that Biden/Harris lose than trump. They ridiculed those calling for solidarity against trump. Screeching blue maga. Because they didn’t care if trump won.
There you go again, blaming the voters for the fact that Biden and Harris were shitty candidates. God forbid they could have changed their policies. Never that.
And your position looks even more messed up today. If you consider what’s happening in Palestine today. Harris wanted to take a pro-Israel stance, she did, Trump pretended that he was all about peace, we knew he was lying, but it was too late because she already threw away those votes… That’s 100% on her, we all predicted it, and she did whatever she wanted.
And there you go again deflecting. It was always going to be either a democrat or a republican that won. We would have had far more impact trying to negotiate with the Democrat than a Republican. Yes both candidates were bad. But one would have definitely been better. The one so many hyper focused on attacking. While not attacking the other in the slightest.
My position looks as good as it ever did. I was right before. I was right during the election. And I’ve been right since the election. All people like you can do is silently downvote pyrrhicly. Or delusionally you create scenarios in which there’s a magical world in which I was wrong.
No I misinterpreted this section of the comment as a call to action rather than pointing out the obvious.
If it’s not then the only way shitty Dems get out of office, is giving the seat to a Republican.
Too late for that now, isn’t it? But vote red to end all wars and all genocide. That’ll show Joe Biden.
I’ve voted blue no matter who because I know America is too terrible to stop a genocide.
Let’s show them what “woke” really means. We are awake. And we see what they have been doing. And we are going to stop it.
Clear out the cruft! Give us politicians we can get behind.
I’ve been kind of confused about this whole thing. In the US, are even mayoral elections Democrat VS Republican? What happens if more than two people want to run for mayor?
It depends. Some cities do nonpartisan elections (usually with some form of “jungle primary”), some cities do partisan ones. For the ones with partisan elections, there are often more than two parties, but parties other than the Republicans and Democrats rarely have a shot at office.
NY has a unique system in that it has a lot of parties, but many of them just endorse a candidate from one of the big 2 parties rather than running their own. This is why Cuomo isn’t entirely out of this thing yet, unfortunately; he conceded the Democratic nomination, but he still has the nomination from the Fight and Deliver party (which he, himself, founded specifically for this election) and may choose to continue to run as their candidate instead of dropping out.
Cities and states sometimes have different rules for different races. Cities are often so Democratic, that elections sometimes end up being between two Democrats. I’ve even seen Republicans register as Democrats so they have a shot at getting people just to listen to them.
Often races like judges, school boards, etc. are officially “non-partisan,” but you can usually figure out which is which by their positions on the issues.
This was a primary election so both major parties were fielding several candidates. The reality is no Republican is getting elected in NYC as long as we have free and fair elections in the USA so the democratic primary winner is the most likely person to win in November when the general election is held.
You are not obligated to run under a party in US elections. It just makes it easier to win.
My concern is that Cuomo is planning to run as an independent and my pessimism is telling me that somehow he might win. I mean no one thought Trump would win in 2016 or again in 2024, but here we are.
But the part of me that wants something to hold on to is desperately optimistic that this might be the start of the change.
The general already has Mamdani, Adams, and Sliwa. Anyone voting for Adams or Sliwa probably wasn’t voting for Mamdani anyway. So if Cuomo jumps in as an Indy, he won’t take any votes from Mamdani, who’s already beaten him once, so he’ll have to shave votes from Adams (he can’t be getting too many votes) and Sliwa (he never wins anything). Mamdani will end up with half the votes, and the other three will split the remaining half.
Alright that is great to hear, it makes me a little more hopeful.
Cuomo is a sex pest like Trunp so thats a big +1 for him in voters eyes /s
If Cuomo runs independent, the democratic party loses any hope of keeping their progressive base and it might actually split entirely.
After bullying their base for the last 10 years to get in line behind their shit moderate candidates, if they were to suddenly decide that primaries don’t mean anything then they’d never be able to convince progressives to vote against their interests again.
Cuomo is backed by the democratic establishment and the DNC’s donor class. It doesnt matter if he’s independent, he’s the establishment pick and would be running with their funding.
That all sounds like Cuomo is going to run independent
If Cuomo runs as independent, I don’t think he comes close to winning but he definitely splits the vote which could push this Republican. Does the NY Mayoral race also use rank choice? If it does then evething should still be fine.
I read something yesterday that says no, it’s the usual FPTP. Only the primary was RCV.
The primaries did
some thought Trunk might win in 2016 due to Celebrity Power
It depends on the city. Mine (Madison, WI) doesn’t officially list any party affiliation for mayor or city alders. We also use a runoff election system, so we’re not stuck on two parties for local things.
In practice, candidates are often backed and/or endorsed by some political parties. Common ones are Progressive Dane (county level party) or Working Families (which has national reach and is basically a socialist party working within the Democratic party). When they move up to state or federal seats, they usually join the Democrats while continuing to work with the Working Families party.
Mayoral elections like most US elections are multi-party in principle, but usually there are the two major parties and the rest are marginal or fringe. Some offices are solidly enough controlled by one party that the primary essentially determines the general election winner. Example: AOC primaried out the incumbent in a solidly Democratic seat. She then ran in a general election against a Republican and others, but none of them really mattered.
I don’t know whether the NYC Mayor election is like that these days. I know NYC has had Republican mayors in living memory, like Ghouliani. Bloomberg (I just checked) did two terms as a Republican, then a 3rd as an independent on the Republican ballot line. He later ran in the 2020 presidential primaries as a Democrat.
Right now there’s a situation where Andrew Cuomo (anointee of the NY and maybe even national Dem establishent) just lost the primary but might run as an independent. If the Dem establishment keeps supporting him, maybe he has winning chances. Something like that happened with Connecticut senator Joe Lieberman, who lost a Dem primary but then got re-elected as an independent with Dem party support. His opponent (Ned Lamont, now governor of Connecticut iirc) wasn’t even left wing from what I remember.
For his independent run, Lieberman started a new party “Connecticut for Lieberman” and ran as its candidate. After being reelected, the new party had served its purpose and became useless to him, so he forgot about it and the incorporation documents expired. Someone else then got control of it (I guess that’s like domain squatting) and apparently used it for some entertaining pranks. I wasn’t around for that though.
Huh, that kind of sucks to be honest. In Ontario (and I assume the rest of Canada), Mayoral elections don’t have parties involved at all. It’s just individuals and your city ward’s individual candidates. Truthfully, the candidates often have some former experience with a provincial or federal party (or at least an endorsement, but they don’t run under any party banners)
I think it makes more sense that way since local politics work a lot differently than state/provincial and higher politics.
The whole two party system thing in general isn’t really a rule per se, you’re allowed to run as part of some other party or independent of one, for any office that I know of. In smaller local elections like town councils and such you can even be competitive that way. It’s just that the way we do voting, most of the time, means that for any election in which a reasonable number of voters participate, only two parties can be competitive and any more would actually make their side less likely to win. It’s a not originally intended side effect of the rules we use, that now serves to keep the existing parties’ monopoly on most higher offices.
Yes, very much so. Each party has their candidate. Some states might let multiple members of the same party run, and there have certainly been instances where people have run unopposed for certain offices, but generally most elected positions in the US are partisan.
It has been a key Republican strategy for several decades now to control as many states governorship as they can manage because it allows them to do things like gerrymandering and to pass state policies that favor Republicans.
That’s sad to hear honestly. I thought city politics would be the one place Americans could escape the two party BS
