Thanks for making it national news, major national media. Good work.
Literal supervillainy.
Some orphans will take matters into their own hand
Caucescu 2: Electric Boogaloo
This only ends one way, with nooses and guillotines. It is up to the people how quickly it ends.
I pulled up next to a guy the other day and the passenger looked like Elon at first glance. My first thought was if I could shoot him in the face and escape long enough to at least make a few phone calls. That’s how much this guy deserves to be deleted. I’d risk my life to end it all.
Elon Musk is ultra paranoid for a reason. He has 20 bodyguards on a normal day and also has a secret service detail. He is not an easy target.
There’s good reason to be paranoid. 400 yards is a cake shot for even a mediocre sniper. Just about any gun store today sells top notch sniper rifles.
This is why Thomas Matthew Crooks failed. He relied on a bottom rung AR15 when he could have ditched it for even a simple hunting rifle with a scope. To be fair he was using iron sights. And was under a lot of stress from just being discovered by a cop (even though the secret service had seen him earlier) and Trump fidgety movements basically threw off the shot.
I need to mention, however that we should not idolize Thomas Crooks. He was not some hero. What he actually wanted to do was to go on a mass murder spree and he wanted to start it off by killing a politician. He didn’t care which. He targeted Trump for no other reason than he was the closest and most convenient at the time. If a local representative or the state senator or the city’s mayor was closer, he would gone after that politician. Trump being the target was a coincidence.
Do you have a source for that? I didn’t think they had anything conclusive about his motives. Haven’t looked into it for a while though.
I will search for them later. What I surmised was from reading multiple articles about him and what he was planning. He didn’t seem to have a political motive nor did he have any strong beliefs. When the investigators got his laptop and phone to look at, it seemed that he was quite casual in his planning. In fact the absolute last thing in his history he looked at before he went off to try to do what he did was porn.
You would think that he was a smart guy to actually get around the secret service. But it was entirely dumb luck. He did use a drone to survey the location before hand, which was unprecedented and smart, but that was it.
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Also apparently carrying his youngest kid around.
Yeah, he’s betting that literal assassins will value the life of his kid more than him
And that is the most contemptuous shit action of them all.
He learned from trump, steal from children
Yep. C’mon America. How long you gonna let these nazis fuck you?
Nah, this ends with America so bankrupt that states split up from the federation. Maybe, just maybe, the workers unions will be strong enough to claim one of these new countries, but most likely it ends with seperate kingdoms, each ruled by a different billionaire.
That is the goal, I think.
That is why i say everything else the Trump government is doing right now is just distraction.
Unfortunately many of their distractions are already global catastrophes by themselves.
Trump behaves more or less as you’d expect if you model him as a sock puppet with Elon Musk and Putin taking turns as the hand up his ass.
Musk, meaning Thiel, meaning Yarvin.
I’m sure he’ll be super bummed about it whenever he wakes up from his latest k-nap.
I’m getting sick and tired of updating my The Ballad of the Techno-Prophet: A Decade of Deception
Did they actually cut it off? (Even if temporarily?)
Yeah, I am not doubting that this happened, because in the mix of callousness and incompetence on display, it isn’t unlikely. But a source would be much appreciated, still.
Here’s a Snopes review of what I think is the same specific topic.
It mentions nothing about these being orphan support payments, but rather, these being possibly incorrectly typed SSNs that resulted in their recordkeeping systems assuming, based on the information tied to those SSNs, that the borrowers were, say, 11 years old, when in actuality they were not, and the SSNs had just been inputted incorrectly, even if all other borrower information was accurate.
They also didn’t stop these funds, as they were already given out. They’re simply “reviewing” them.
We don’t need sources, we just go off vibes
they tell a thousand lies in the time it takes to fact check one. We tell one lie, and suddenly every complaint we’ve ever held against them is invalidated because we’re liars.
I think it’s obvious how absurd this is.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen this said better. I’ll be quoting you.
wish i could take credit for it, stole the quote from a reddit comment from a few years ago. I’m sure the guy i stole it from stole it from someone else.
That’s cool. I’ll re-gift it, then. Thanks!
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I’m really interested to see any reputable articles confirming this. Google searches didn’t show anything, 1 press conference on Reddit, 1 instagram post
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/03/how-jeff-bezos-made-peace-with-donald-trump/
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/24/g-s1-29665/la-times-editor-resigns-presidential-endorsement
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/22/nx-s1-5161480/trump-media-threats-abc-cbs-60-minutes-journalists
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/media/cbs-news-trump-60-minutes-legal-threat/index.html
You’re going to see a lot of news stories falling through the cracks in our modern Trump-friendly media landscape.
For those experiencing the same confusion as myself: those are not sources for the orphan/survivor benefits story, they’re possible reasons why the media might not be reporting the story.
It’s stopping direct loans applications by people under 18, nothing about actual payments. When are dumb fucks going to learn Tweets aren’t sources?
I’m so glad the leftist plan to beat the right is be as completely critically illiterate as they are. Just cede the movement to the maniacs now because once the conspiracy theorists take root it’s a short stroll to leftist QAnon
I agree 100%. We need to move past believing things just because they got our world view.
I’m also interested in verifying this. Unfortunately, the article you linked to references young people getting sba loans not social security payments. It then repeats old news about very old people getting social security benefits.
Yes that’s why I specified direct loans in my comment
IIRC the “150 year olds” in those records has to do with how computers handle dates post Y2K. I remember some programmers chiming in when that story broke. It’s not actually fraud but a fix to handle certain pre 1980 dates in older computer systems.
Whatever gets shitlibs to help storm the Capitol, but in a based way
Is there a source for this, I’m genuinely interested in reading more about this but can’t find a source.
It’s a screenshot of a tweet, I don’t know what further proof you could want. Did you not see the blue checkmark? /s
I can’t find much except for a weird indiatoday article and the original Xhit: https://nitter.space/elonmusk/status/1904030373899616736#m
I don’t understand the association he’s making between Social Security and the Small Business Administration. At first glance I don’t see any indication the SBA does anything with children outside of funding childcare centers?
It sounds like they check your credit for a small business loan, so they would presumably take your SSN and I guess check it against the database?
But then they check your credit anyway. It’s not like the Social Security database is the safeguard for an unsafe loan. We have
identity leakscredit agencies for that. If he had proof of children or ‘immortals’ actually getting these loans in any numbers he would show it. Why can’t a 17 year old run a company anyway? If 20 year olds can dismantle the government…If an elderly small business owner dies, and the company is still held by his estate… wouldn’t his loan still be attached to his SSN?
And if an underage orphan receives ownership of a small business through estate, would their SSN be attached to these loans, even if the company was operated by a third party regency?
Dudes just mashing buttons on a calculator like a toddler. He’s not checking math.
My experience with estates would be you’d need to file for an EIN for the estate and the loan would be a liability against the estate. So to close the estate out you’d need to clear out any liabilities and remaining capital or property given to beneficiaries. You might have heard of cases where people have to sell family homes to clear debt against the estate .
But with Musk is hard to even try to follow a train of thought. And his level of misunderstanding of how anything in the government works is pretty mind-blowingly wrong.
The money THEOR PARENTS PAID INTO AND WORKED TOWARDS. They are literally entitled to it. It is their parent money!!!
How much does an orphaned 8 year old get a month from social security? I would assume that all goes directly to the orphanage or foster home?
What is he supposed to pay his own rent and not drop $2k on Paw Patrol.
If I remember correctly, the money goes to a guardian for the benefit of the child.
20 years ago I knew someone who’s husband was on a motorcycle and was run over and killed by a commercial truck driver (I think he was falling sleep or something.) She was a stay-at-home mom of 4 kids at the time. In the end between the settlement and the social security, she was able to continue to stay home to raise the children and college wasn’t going to be a problem either.
I haven’t thought of that family in years. In typing that out, I’m realizing that the American dream is still alive and well! Kids just have to be ready to sacrifice one of their parents to get it.
But that kid wasn’t orphaned. And I’m guessing that kid wasn’t getting social security. It’s possible parts of the settlement went into some kind of trust fund which the child wouldn’t have access to until reaching a certain age, or however else it was structured.
Kids get survivor benefits through social security from each parent lost. My 8 year old son gets $900/mo. I’m sure it varies by… everything.
I have a pair of cousins twice removed whose father died, and their mom gets Social Security checks to help support them. Messed up part is the cousins live with my aunt (their great grandmother) because their mom and grandma are both too messed up to care for them, but if my aunt tried to get the SS money their mom would try to get the kids back (and neglect them) so she wouldn’t lose the check.
Survivor children of social security beneficiaries do get social security, even if it’s just one parent. It’s not particularly common because you’d need to be young enough to qualify as a child, and your parent needs to be old enough to qualify for social security benefits, but some dudes have kids in their 50s and 60s.
I don’t know about orphaned, but my guardians got $300/month in the 90s because my mom was on social security disability. And when I was still with my mom, I think she got $700/month on social security disability. That’s with me included?
Obviously this is different from what orphans would get, and 25+ years ago. But if Musk had stolen it from us then, our situation would’ve been even worse…and it wasn’t great to begin with. Even back then, with my mom having an incurable disability, she had to be careful of how much money extra she made from odd jobs lest they take it all away (people on disability aren’t allowed to save or have above X amount in income or the benefits will be revoked). And apartments in the area were $700/month, and we weren’t in section 8 housing so all of her benefits went to rent–and that was before utilities, food, etc.
From what I’ve heard, similar restrictions are in place now. Nobody’s getting a plush ride on benefits, ever, and it’s a struggle to even get on them to begin with. Even with things that are 100% disabling and incurable.
I’ve heard that before and it still baffles me. People on disability aid have to maintain poverty to or else be subjected to greater poverty. It sounds like an obvious joke from Futurama. Except it’s real and the joke is the system.
SSDI, the main disability insurance benefit from social security, is not means tested. People pulling in millions can get it too, as long as they’re disabled (and qualify from working long enough in social security paying jobs). Usually that means they’re too disabled to work, but might have income from their investments or other sources. SSDI isn’t means tested, but does look to your earned income to determine whether you qualify (after all, the disability payments are designed to offset the loss of earned income, but someone who does still earn doesn’t need that stream of income as much).
SSI is the other disability insurance benefit from social security, and is explicitly an anti-poverty program that is means tested. So you have to demonstrate a lack of income in order to qualify.
Note that you can collect both, with concurrent benefits, but the SSI means test looks to your SSDI income, that counts against you.
There are a lot of anti poverty programs with pretty abrupt cutoffs based on income, or earned income, or even wealth, but many of the disability based ones have less stringent means testing or no means testing at all.
Doesn’t have to be an orphan. My grandparents adopted me and I got $600/mo. from dad’s Social Security (80s money) until I graduated high school. He was a WWII vet, so I’m sure that played into it a bit.
When I was in college, I received no money for aid because my parents made too much. My friend, whose mother had abandoned him to be raised by his extremely wealthy grandmother, was still considered to be getting $0 of parental help, so he got tons of federal aid.
I worked full time through college; he didn’t. He loved to argue that free college would be “regressive” because rich kids wouldn’t have to pay for it.
That persons name?
Nicole, the fediverse chick.
Musk should get prison time for this. But instead he will bs rewarded from Republicans for saving money and when the rest of social security checks stop coming in, yet they keep taking the money from our pockets, where exactly will all that money go?
Trump and Musk about to rob us of our social security benefits and what you bet part of it ends up in Puntins pockets.
Warning everyone that I could not find a source for this and this Twitter post isn’t any evidence in itself. So if you’re saying I told you so, then you’re just as susceptible as the people who believe $300m was being sent to 11yos without any explanation.
I found two sources for this info.
Who could see their Social Security benefits stopped?
Government Executive reports that the SSA memo proposes ceasing payments that are made to people without Social Security numbers. While people without an SSN are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits of their own, there are scenarios where they can accept benefits on behalf of an eligible person who does have an SSN as that person’s “representative payee.”
A link in that text goes to https://www.govexec.com/management/2025/03/ssa-weighs-axing-payments-170000-beneficiaries/403740/ and it gives an example:
That task could be arduous, as finding payees is already so difficult that at times the agency turns to institutional payees like child welfare agencies, said Romig. SSA staff also have to assess the suitability of payees.
“Say you’re a kid and you don’t have a payee for a while — they stop paying the benefit until they sort it out,” she said of the potential for interruptions to benefits.
It may be that the OP read that and extrapolated it to mean orphans would be cut off … which may or may not be true.
Those are for SSA, not SBA. They don’t explain why SBA would be brokering business loans with 11yos. There is likely a valid explanation here, but the media doesn’t need to get up in arms until more details are available.
DOGE looks to be what’s getting all up in arms here. If there’s suspicion of corruption, investigate, Don’t just cut it all off! This isn’t a car factory, it’s food and shelter, aka the economy!
Of course I think he knows this and is actually trying to bring about a recession so he can seize whatever power he can
I agree, but the Twitter post isn’t DOGE and is potentially incorrect. You don’t battle disinformation with more disinformation.
I don’t see anything about SBA in the articles above.
There’s nothing unlawful or untwart about an 11yr old getting a business loan if they have a business, that’s just a motivated kid. If not investigate and then shut it down if it’s fraud, don’t just read the title and cut it based off that.
You clearly don’t know the basics of how an SBA loan works so I’m not sure why you are even making statements as if you’re an expert.
Also, I’m not giving an opinion on the legality of the situation. I’m stating the Twitter post is based on no provided evidence so everyone in this thread defending against another ridiculous statement with more ridiculous statements shows that both sides are equally willfully ignorant and susceptible to propaganda.
I’m on the side that thinks it’s likely a record keeping error because the names do not match the SSNs. Also, banks are the actual lenders behind SBAs and it’s highly unlikely that in one specific year, banks decided to loan out over $300m to over thousands of businesses with credit checks that did not match the name returned on an SSN with the name of the person being lent too.
That’s not a counterargument that’s a bad attempt to strawman. Similarly there are zero age restrictions on an SBA loan, none zero.
There’s no need to defend against either, they’re both legal.
Probably, that doesn’t change the fact that it wouldn’t be illegal even if the ages are correct.
You think children are getting undeserved money from the government.
I think children are getting money from the government.
We are not the same. </meme>
Regardless of evidence provenance, children need to be our most sacred class of people, followed by the elderly and disabled. It shouldn’t even be a question about how and why we take care of them, we just fucking should.
Misinformation is real, so I see part of your point, but the people outraged at this are WILDLY different from the people outraged that kids might be getting money they don’t “deserve”. Can we not just be nice to each other? This isn’t actually a zero-sum game.
No, I actually think SBA lenders are not sending any money to 11yos. I think this is most likely a record keeping error.
I do also think the Twitter post is confusing SSA and SBA. The SSA sending social security I am 100% for. SBA lenders sending money to business I am also 100%, even if they are 11yos. I just think it is highly unlikely that in a single year, banks decided to loan an unprecedented $300m to 11yos and that those thousands of loans all had mismatching names with their SSNs.
I’m just saying everyone shouldn’t go rallying behind this person who is making claims without any evidence. It’s just as dumb as DOGE.
thats the american way.
Something about bootstraps and extreme individualism because real red blood 'muricans something
Musk saying the words “social security” might have been the best thing that could have happened tbh. A conservative family member of mine was at an Indivisible meeting today - I think the republicans might be in for a bit of a shit show, if you can believe it
Even when they get their SS canceled, they will praise him. They will say…“Well, he said there will be pain and hardship. But the good times are coming. The lord has a plan”.
You’re not wrong in general, I should clarify. This family is of the affluent, fence-sitting variety conservative. They couldn’t be assed to do anything because it hadn’t hit them yet. This did. This is someone who will genuinely be turned imo.
Quick edit here, I just got done talking with them. They told me what finally pushed them over was talking to a friend of theirs whose kid has autism. Their kid hadn’t been able to sleep at night with all this shit going on. Apparently that really got to them. So - my takeaway here is, keep the dialogue open. If you have a story to tell, keep sharing it. You never know who it will reach.
They won’t though.
There’s this constant kneejerk response here and everywhere that “oh we’ve seen it all before” and “they didn’t do anything then, they won’t do anything now”. It’s understandable. It’s relatable. It’s even inevitable. The apathy, the exhaustion, the despair.
But the reason people still get upset is because there are still things to be upset about. New people find new reasons all the time. The reason most of this is so shocking to many is because it actually hasn’t happened before.
None of this has. Not to them. Not here. Not in our lifetimes. So many things are changing that it’s hard to keep up, but many people have enjoyed a geographical, demographical, or economic distance between themselves and their society’s problems.
Social security has always been the “third rail”. It’s killed careers for even approaching the idea of reform. It is - literally, by every single definition - the taxpayer’s dollar. If you want things to change, you need to take advantage of moments like this. Don’t spread apathy.
Spread outrage. Spread the word. Americans are about to be economically kicked in the family jewels at every level. Trade, tariffs, taxes, business regulations, labor protections, health insurance, federal jobs, government contracts, social security…
There will be people who will “accept the hardship”, but there are far more people who will be pissed at seeing politics hit their bank account. Their lives. Their families.
Help them understand why it’s happening. Help them understand why it needs to stop.
Many will, some won’t. It’s the 10% in the middle we need to wake up and turn the tide.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Please, Smithers, who are they going to complain to? Their parents?
They’ve also cut PEPFAR. PEPFAR is a program which, among other things, provides antiretrovirals to people with HIV/AIDS in poorer countries. Approximately twenty million people, including half a million children will now start to slowly die without access to these drugs.
For comparison’s sake, Hitler killed 13.6 million people. History is very likely to end up remembering Trump as the single deadliest regime in history.
That’s some Heritage Foundation level of undercutting Hitler’s death toll.
Need to see a better source than a tweet that I can’t find.
I can’t find any sources or reporting on this. Not to say it’s not happening but can’t even find some dumb Musk tweet about this
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