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Imagine you buy a car and it gets burned down because the owner of the car company turns out to be a Nazi.
I would like Tesla to go bankrupt too but cheering on regular peoples property being destroyed is wrong.
Sure, I have some sympathy for those who bought them years ago.
But let’s not mince words. If you buy a Tesla today, you are literally a Nazi collaborator.
Those who bought a Tesla much earlier were more like one of those few people who bought one of Hitler’s paintings during his starving artist phase.
I think Tesla owners should put anti elon stickers on theirbcars
I saw this the other day, in north Germany
You’re putting money in his pocket. Fuck your stickers.
How? What?
By enabling people to protest by buying Tesla and sticking anti ElMo stickers.
The people who would go that far to give him money wouldn’t be comfortable putting that sticker on.
Aha…it’s true but there might be some influencers who might look the other way.
Imagine parking next to a Tesla and your car becomes collateral damage.
Hopefully they had bubble insurance and now they’re freed of their magamobile and can buy something better.
Yeah because insurance companies are run by great people who are known for helping others.
This is Europe, not USA. We are not getting fucked by insurance companies on a daily basis - only weekly basis.
the magamobile… i know it has its issues, but the sad thing is, if you want an electric car as a person who does not care about car-people-things, the magamobile is one of the best options in terms of efficiency. ALSO in terms of used vehicles, you can get teslas so bloody cheap rn and for people who just want to get from A to B with Comfort and ease, you dont have so many other options.
At some point you have to draw a line, and the car sold by the guy who’s directly helping to destroy the US, helping the AFD in Germany get more power, and cutting aid to so many other countries which will lead to millions of deaths is a pretty fucking easy line to draw. Besides, as the saying goes, “electric cars aren’t here to save the planet, they’re here to save cars” so take public transit and fight for it if you don’t have it(also this is in Germany and Europe generally has more options than the backwater that is the US).
There are plenty of other options that aren’t so boldly rotten as Tesla, too. People not wanting even the slightest inconvenience is how we get into these messes and it’s time to buck up and deal with it.
yea because public transport works everywhere perfectly fine and people who have to use a car they bought because they cant afford buying a new one as a political statement can go fuckoff! sounds like a perfect plan.
not buying new teslas/try to boycott the company should be the line imo. not judging people that make use if something they already have! if you have a thing, use it as long as it freaking works is one of the most sustainable things you can do lol or do you mean using a magic wand and make the problems go away with “buck up and deal with it”?
nobody says that electric cars save the planet (beside maga idiots), also public transport wont save the planet alone bro.
if you have an bicycle that will save the planet more than public transport. if you have an electric car thats charged by sustainable energy that will save the planet more than some fucked up diesel engine.
your statement is just way to far off by fucking reality.
I hadn’t even considered that this is causing the used market to drop out. We could be urging people who otherwise couldn’t or wouldn’t to adopt EVs. Could turn the negative into a positive.
Nope the “activists” say, burn em all.
yes!!! This is a great thing for the Used Market, especially when considering that the longer you drive an ev (with eco friendly energy) the better the thing is for the planet! GO BUY USED EVs!!! when you have Solar Power@Home (or biogas or whatever you can do to produce electric energy) a cheap used ev is the absolute best option when you need a car.
Totally agree and the fucker already got the money. They are just fucking other people’s lives. However, we can agree that if you think you’re buying a car that someone is going to burn down, then that’s a good deterrent to buy them. So I can also see the positive side of things. And all these cars are probably insured against vandalism anyway
Sometimes sacrifices have to be made to get the message across.
also buying a car knowing that elon is a nazi makes the buyers complicit as well.
it could’ve caught fire on its own, it’s a tesla.
you should’ve known that when you bought the car too, before you knew about the nazism.
Yeah ICE cars catch fire 61x more often than EVs.
Facts are important. We want people to switch to EVs. Spreading falsehoods because it helps your own side short term is wrong.
no we don’t. we want people to switch to public transit
No. Both can be true.
ICE cars are filled with gasoline and function by blowing it up, the risk is clear. EVs should not be catching fire.
Also yea, I want people to use public transportation, actually. And I want villages to return, not these horrendous sprawling “small towns” where, despite having less stuff than my Montréal neighbourhood, it’s a huge pain to get anywhere and you need a car at least simply because too many jobs that could be remote aren’t.
just to clarify I’m not talking about “EVs”. I’m talking about teslas. they’re famously prone to catching fire.
Meh, they have insurance
some of them maybe? surely not all?
You don’t need insurance FOR your car. You MUST have a “Haftpflichtversicherung” - but that only covers damage done by you and your car. If you only have that, you’ll get exactly 0 Euro.
Most people here have partial coverage, so if glass breaks, you get into an accident with a wild animal or you car gets stolen - and you’ll get some money back.
Full coverage would also include stupid mistakes you made. As long as they are not on purpose or done by speeding, drinking and driving and stuff like that.
So yeah, most people with newer cars would have full coverage. Expensive tho. So older cars usually only have partial or none coverage - only “Haftpflichtversicherung” is a must. Without you are not allowed to have a car in traffic.
All cars are required to have insurance in most European countries, Germany included. Not sure if collateral damage by vandalism is covered by default, but most of the time you are covered against any damage that you yourself didn’t cause, so I assume it is covered.
Required insurance doesnt cover thing like that tho. It covers your liability not your car from the elements. For that you need at least partial coverage which tbh most people with Teslas probably have.
Not so in Austria. Only Haftpflichtversicherung is required which only covers the car owner’s liability.
I can’t speak for Germany but my car insurance wouldn’t cover arson. It only covers liability, so if I cause damage or personal injury with my vehicle then my insurance kicks in and covers the other person’s damages. If I wreck my car in a single vehicle collision, a tree falls on it, or someone who doesn’t have insurance hits me then I get nothing. That is collision and/or comprehensive insurance that cover those situations respectively.
However I know that if I were to lease a vehicle, I would need to get comprehensive insurance as part of the lease agreement. These were probably leased so their insurance might cover it, definitely not all of those Tesla owners though.
I can assure you if you have a second hand 10 year old car and it burns down, you’ll get 3000€ from insurance, and good luck finding a replacement for that money.
“They have insurance” doesn’t solve all problems when you’re struggling and need a car for work.
So you can buy another 10 years old car with that.
Civilized countries require insurance so that victims aren’t at fault and on the hook, and better ones will even provide it(the province of Québec does the liability portion, for example).
Read this thread man. People have become fucking deranged, cheering on destroying the property of people who likely had no reason to believe they’d be making car payments to a Nazi.
Frankly if you’re not out canvassing for politicians you support or helping organize a union or something but you can find the time to cheer on the destruction of what is likely a worker’s property, you need to get a grip.
If you own a Telsa, sell it. It sucks but Muskrat is actually dismantling decades of institutional organization. He’s an threat to our country and when it collapses he’ll just fly to the next country while we burn.
Flood the market with used Swasticars that nobody wants to be associated with and nobody will buy the new ones. Money is the only thing they understand.
He’s got the president of the u.s. on the front lawn hucking his cars, it’s hilarious and sad.
If you own a Telsa, sell it.
Realistically, this makes no difference. Tesla has already got the money from the seller. The only person losing is the seller who now sells the car at lower price than they bought it for and have to put in more money to buy a replacement vehicle.
Flood the market with used Swasticars that nobody wants to be associated with and nobody will buy the new ones. Money is the only thing they understand.
The only ones who will buy Teslas now are conservatives and they will buy new ‘just to show support for Musk’.
The goal is not to destroy cars, it is to destroy what it represents.
Who said anything about destroying cars¿? I am just talking about selling them. I do hope the people whose cars were burnt had insurance. Then they could claim that and use it to buy a better car from a non nazi manufacturer.
Granted, but I was just pointing out that the act of burning teslas isn’t something that people do to “destroy cars so that Elon gets less money”. Mussolini wasn’t hanged upside down because his heels were stronger than his neck.
Realistically, this makes no difference.
Denying Tesla the sale of a second car to a second person makes no difference because they already got the first sale of the first car? Pretty sure Tesla would prefer to sell two cars instead of one, and get the profit directly. There is an assumption here that the original buyer (who sold the car) went and bought another Tesla, which is in conflict with the other poster saying people should sell their Tesla (as it move away from the brand).
The only ones who will buy Teslas now are conservatives and they will buy new ‘just to show support for Musk’.
So, let them. It’s still not getting Tesla what they ultimately want – money – long as the original owner doesn’t buy a Tesla themselves.
Subscriptions might be an argument that Tesla could still profit, but then the question is where/how do they profit more from ownership?
Sell to whom?
I hear Aquaman is buying em
Is this a Ben Shapiro reference?
It’s a hbomberguy reference about how much of an idiot Ben Shapiro is.
I don’t own one, but when I was considering which EV to buy they were on the list. I could have easily been just another Tesla owner, now getting their car burnt to a crisp or getting spray painted with Nazi symbols.
I am a unpaid union executive. I volunteer my time to groups like a Right-to-Repair advocacy organization. If the shitheads burning cars could get this motivated about these or other issues, we’d be knocking problems over like dominoes. Instead “activism” for a lot of people now means complaining on the internet and destroying the property of workers.
Frankly people need to take that type of activism and fuck right off with it. Do some real work or go home and let the adults figure it out.
I do all kinds of work organizing IRL thanks. Do you think the people that set the cars on fire were just online or something? Shitposting is useless, the real ones are taking it offline.
A bit of advice to an alleged Union man? Get some solidarity and stop supporting fascists scab. Support Unions by buying union-made cars, not ones made by a Union busting fascists.
You advise for solidarity by burning down cars of other regular people…
I advised the person claiming to be in a union to do their part and support unions, not union busters.
I advise solidarity with non-fascists by not supporting anything that puts money into a fascists pocket.
Personally I think targeting showrooms would be more effective but I’m 100% confident Evil Insurance Companies will make things right for the downtrodden Tesla owners and they can buy a new car. Judging by most people’s reactions, at least a few won’t buy a Tesla.
You could petition for adoption of an EV plug that isn’t Tesla’s. You could ask to have the Tesla supercharger network be declared anti-competitive and force Musk to divest. Bonus points if you can convince people it should be a public good.
Lots of moves could be made. Instead you advocate for bashing the fash by… Burning cars owned by workers? And somehow you fail to see how this is not just morally and logically wrong, it also harms the view of leftists in the eyes of the public?
Are you a real person or do you glow?
The time for petitions and lobbying have passed. Our regulatory agencies have been captured and our politicians bought.
In the future it’ll only get more and more dangerous to associate with Teslas at all. Anyone who values their personal safety should unload it now.
I will be reporting anyone I catch destroying otherwise innocent people’s property to the authorities. I will not be associated with you fucking animals.
So many people on social media cheering for vandalizing other people’s private property just because they disagree with the politics of the maker of their cars. Wild.
Because this is one of the only ways to attack a billionaire.
Specifically his ego, Musk is such a weakling that he sees ANY attack on Tesla as an attack on himself. That may be the point basically using the cars as proxy but the fact he legit gets so upset about it means it’s working. Also as I need to remention Musk is such a fucking weak little bitch that he gets sad when folks burn something his company produces.
You’re not attacking a billionaire. You are attacking random private citizens.
Nah. The random private citizens get the insurance money. Premiums only go up for future Tesla owners.
Not everybody has insurance that covers vandalism. Most people have a deductible they need to pay before the insurance kick in. You are forcing people to take time out of their day to take the car to the shop for repairs and/or have to deal with long administrative tasks.
Premiums would not only go up for future Tesla owners.
Not everybody has insurance that covers vandalism.
Tesla owners should upgrade quickly.
Most people have a deductible they need to pay before the insurance kick in.
True. However the main financial impact on current Tesla owners is the falling 2nd hand market price. Current owners are already losing out. Nothing can be done about that.
You are forcing people to take time out of their day to take the car to the shop for repairs and/or have to deal with long administrative tasks.
So sell the Telsa if that is a worry.
Premiums would not only go up for future Tesla owners.
If only Teslas are vandalised then only that brands premiums are affected.
Maybe one day you will be on the receiving end of such despicable attacks on private citizens and only then you might change your mind.
You do not get to dictate what cars people get to buy, nor what kind of insurance they must have. That is not how insurance works, premiums will go up for everyone.
Besides, you tell people to sell their cars, while you acknowledge the big financial hit that would involve; who are they going to sell it to? Whoever buys it will also suffer from the vandalism you encourage.
Pretty sure Luigi showed a more effective way
Difficult to get public sympathy if you hit the meat shield.
But you hurt the regular people way more.
If they are insured, no.
Insurance premiums will go up on teslas.
Then people will buy less tesla.
Then Musk will get margin called.
How about stop fucking burning people’s cars in the first place?
The opposite of that statement is:-
How about stop fucking buying cars that are sold by a fascist and are being burned by anti-fascists
And it is an equally absurd proposition, because no-one should be burning another individual’s personal property
Premiums going up will hurt regular people more than Musk. Hurting your fellow countrymen is such a lefty thing to do…
It will only hurt people who continue to own Teslas when they renew their insurance. They are part of the demographic supporting Musk, so fuckem.
Yeah conservatives were totally the largest market for EVs before Musk took the mask off, right? You people truly have not spent even a microsecond thinking this through.
They don’t care. They are psychopaths,
“Just because they disagree with the politics” look we can say what we want about the burning Teslas part this isn’t a “little disagreement”. Musk’s a full-blown turbo-Nazi and in and in Germany, where this happened, he’s pouring money into the AFD which is essentially just the return of a German Nazi party. Don’t water it down.
Stop acting like you don’t get his point
That is politics. Are you suggesting it is acceptable to destroy private property that belongs to the members of the AFD?
America has previously spent TONS of money destroying the property of people with those ideologies. They even had a name for that historical event: World War 2.
That’s called war, do you want to start a war?
If people are being kidnapped out of their homes for free speech, and plans are made for invasion of other countries, which party is “starting” said war?
Did the AFD members kidnap people out of their homes for free speech and plan the invasion of other countries?
A thousand times yes lol. Surprised you’re on ml instead of world with this kind of take.
What’s the difference between world and ml?
Germans know the evil and danger of nazis and fascism better then anyone else. Fuck Trump and fuck Elon
Well probably not better than the Jews but we see a repeat of history down there in Israel
Do they? They are gleefully supporting the genocide in Palestine.
They still have a dangerous number of nazis around - Elon recently visited there to rile many of them up, and their popularity boosted in the last election.
What do you call it when half the Teslas in a showroom are on fire?
A good start.
A waste of resources.
They all could’ve been sold and the money used to help poor people.
Now there’s nothing. Yay.
If that’s what the money was being used for Teslas wouldn’t be getting torched.
I’m saying these cars could’ve been reclaimed, sold, and then the money used to help poor people.
How do you just “reclaim” a vehicle, especially one with all these software and hardware dependencies. I don’t know if a stolen Tesla is worth anything at the moment besides scrap.
Sure, it’s a waste of resources, but those resources were never going to help anyone so it’s not really wasted.
How do you just “reclaim” a vehicle, especially one with all these software and hardware dependencies. I don’t know if a stolen Tesla is worth anything at the moment besides scrap.
How do you just burn a vehicle, especially with all those law enforcement officers ready to persecute you?
With a smile on my face.
So… you can steal the vehicle too. You can discuss and support policies that take the assets of the ruling class by force.
Sad this needs to be spelled out for you people, but I don’t expect more at this point.
They all could’ve been sold and the money used to help poor people.
Nice fantasy. But no, that was never going to happen in real life.
Now there’s nothing.
Now there’s a clear message in international headlines, and one heard by those trying to profit using Tesla.
Nice fantasy. But no, that was never going to happen in real life.
I know, it’s because you people value the wrong things. Doesn’t mean it’s not the proper solution.
It’s not because we value the wrong thing. It’s because of basic laws that protect us all.
How could they be reclaimed? They are owned by somebody who legally owns them. Unless the owner is found guilty of something that entitles the government to take possession then there’s no legal way to do that.
If someone is going to reclaim it illegally they’re also not going to use that money to help people. You don’t get many Robin Hoods so the criminals that do it are most likely to keep the proceeds for themselves.
How could they be reclaimed? They are owned by somebody who legally owns them. Unless the owner is found guilty of something that entitles the government to take possession then there’s no legal way to do that.
Keep in mind this article is about Teslas in Germany, where expropriation is legal if a judge deems it to be for the greater good. But that’s only really possible in theory and thus far doesn’t happen in practice
It’s because of basic laws that protect us all.
The fuck? It’s illegal to burn these cars too, smart person.
Taken from other comment debunking you people:
You can steal the vehicle too. You can discuss and support policies that take the assets of the ruling class by force.
Sad this needs to be spelled out for you people, but I don’t expect more at this point.
The fuck? It’s illegal to burn these cars too, smart person.
I guess that you didn’t finish reading my comment as I pointed out that those that are willing to reclaim them illegally are extremely unlikely to do anything altruistic with the money.
I don’t think that’s how most car showrooms work, let alone Tesla showrooms.
Do they work by setting the cars on fire?
They work by giving all the money to Elon Musk, who needs it less than anyone on the planet except Jeff Besos.
The point wasn’t to make the showroom work though. It was to make the showroom not work, and fire does that job wonderfully.
Right. Instead of destroying these cars, we should’ve taken them, sold them, and used the money to help those in need.
Sorry this needs to be spelled out so many times for so many of you, but it really puts into perspective how “smart” the average internet user has gotten.
What do you mean “taken them” Do you think Elon just sells the cars and gives the money away? Or are you talking about stealing the cars? What do you think can be achieved with that? The car will be found eventually and returned. The person who bought the stolen car lost their money and politically you achieved nothing.
You’re correct, this course of action wouldn’t harm Elon Musk at all.
But I think you’re mistaking the user you’re talking to for something other than a right wing troll trying to sound like they care about poor people.
Kids in Africa could eat those cars!
No, but they could buy food and farming equipment with the proceeds from selling these cars. It was an opportunity to redistribute wealth.
Now it’s just a waste.
That’s a great idea… if that was ever done in the history of the world… ever
Hey, it’s why things are the way they are.
We don’t care to reduce the disparity in wealth.
I like your how nonsensical trying to connect unrelated things together, did you forget your meds. How do you propose to acquire something owned by some else that doesn’t belong to you
There’s nothing unrelated about this.
You people just succumbed to your herd mentality and there is no force in the universe that can overcome it.
Really puts things into perspective for anyone with a brain. I can tell the next generation is taking hold, and it isn’t pretty.
Okay you go convince the government to re-appropriate Tesla. While you’re doing that for the rest of your life everyone else will keep burning them to actually get something done.
Ok boomer
That’s the spirit. …Cause fuck Nazis. Germany gets it. They’re like, “Trust us, ve know how dis turns üt.”
unfortunately not all of us. few weeks ago 20% voted for our nazi-party and another 30% voted a party who’s leader is willing to cooperate with the nazi-party.
At what point do the board members and shareholders fire Herr Musk?
Well, one of the board members is his brother and the rest are loyalists so probably not until a shareholder revolt.
Hence the car sales show at the White House, generating some PR to pump up the stock. It worked, for now.
That’s fine. Let him run it into the ground. No skin off my nuts
Ya, I saw they are all dumping Tesla stock too. LOL.
He culled everyone that wasn’t his lacky early on including the actual founders
Au contraire it’s surely time for his bonus
When all their golden parachutes are endangered
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Today i am not ashamed to be german for once :)
Oh dear ! Must be those batteries spontaneously combusting. I remember when that used to happen to Samsung phones a while back.
Funny house suddenly Teslas have become more valuable as an insurance payout then they are as a car.
Genius move
There should be a contest which region / country / city lights up the most.
Were they really set on fire, or did their batteries just explode? This could very well be another case of the new and improved Pinto spontaneously going off.
tja.
are they not afraid of being labeled terrorists and blackbagged to Guantanamo?
No, because they live in a country with rights.
lucky 🥺
They have a right to burn another person’s property in Germany? Interesting.
No, not at all. But it sure as hell will not be labeled „domestic terrorism“.
There’s a good chance it will be labeled just that. Left extremist terrorism.
This will be 100% put into the yearly criminal statistic as far-left terrorism.
Corporations are not people outside of the US.
Whether the company still owned the cars (still in a car lot) or if they were already sold, is not relevant. If it’s not your property then you don’t have a right to burn it.
BTW the article wasn’t clear as to who owned the vehicles.
A property owner has a right not to have their property destroyed, a vandal has a right not to be unreasonably detained. Destruction of property is usually a civil matter and when it isn’t it is a criminal matter that doesn’t fit the standard definition of terrorism outside really specific circumstances. Both parties deserve to be treated fairly through this process - America has removed that guarantee for the vandal.
no, but they have a right to not be blackbagged and sent to gitmo, which is a right that you don’t have in the US.
What you and so many others seem to be failing to grasp is that I don’t have a problem with protesting, but burning property isn’t protesting it’s rioting. People should be in jail for that. Do I like what the US is doing? No. But that doesn’t give people the right to vandalize other people’s property. And yes I know that a corporation isn’t a person, but someone owns that company. So it’s still someone’s property. Guess who actually pays for that damage? The people that pay premiums. The premiums go up when this is done. Premiums of insurance I mean. Who else pays? Customers. Think that the owners of that company only own that company? Many times they own other companies. If the owner loses to much money in one company they raise the rates at another company. The customer still pays.
The article never states that the vehicles burned are even all owned by a company (the picture shows a car lot but that doesn’t mean ALL the vehicles were on a lot). Which means people may not even be burning a vehicle owned by a company but by an individual. That individual might have bought said vehicle before elon went bat shit nutty. The owner of the vehicle probably can’t even sell the vehicle. The insurance won’t cover all the cost of the vehicle. The vandals have attacked an innocent individual in that case. That just makes the vandal an asshole.
Yet most comments fully support the vandals. Bunch of assholes is all I see.
first of all my comment or the one you first replied to had nothing to do with whether the suspects in question are wrong or even violent. you’re the one who seems to failing to grasp that. I don’t care if it’s a serial killer, they still have rights. there’s no crime in the world, not even terrorism, that justifies bypassing human rights.
second of all you’re wrong. fuck property. people riot because it’s the last refuge of the powerless. so-called peaceful protests don’t do shit and never have. history proves time and time again that change only comes with violent protests, the least of which involves burning shit. for even more fundamental change, heads need to be rolling. so right now you better hope burning property brings meaningful change because no one wants this to escalate.
if you disagree, please dust off the pussy hat and go to the streets, see if it works this time.
Excellent.
What are you talking about? Those could’ve been sold and the money used to help poor people.
Now it’s just a waste.
Bait used to be believable.
Yeah, no.
All of you people said the same flawed argument and it’s sad that you thought you had a point.
Really puts things into perspective why things are the way they are.
Flawed argument like saying car sale proceeds would be given to poor people? lmao
I’ve already explained to you people what you don’t understand, several times.
Yes, no one is smart as you, everyone doesn’t “get it”. You should run for president of the USA, he’s almost as smart as you.
Damn you’re actually crazy af
Lol. Anyone with half a brain can recognize my argument.
You people just succumb to your herd mentality because you’re afraid to do your own thinking.
I don’t expect more, to do so would be foolish.
You really think the owners are going to sell their tesla to give to the poor? Elon sure isn’t and only celebrities and those in similar situations where money doesn’t matter would do it. That you make this as a serious argument is wild.
Yeah I’m sure these people really would have willingly sold their Teslas and then gone on to donate that money to poor people.
Who said anything about willingly?
Did they willingly have these teslas burned?
Sad this needs to be spelled out for you.
It’s just a Roman bonfire my doods!
