Mods are sad that this isn’t reddit where their communities are their own little fiefdom
Well, time to make my alt community account my primary one. See y’all on the other side!
I make them perna ban me first. Fuck them.
But yeah. Gtfo, and be carful, if the world is flat that means it has an edge.
Tankie mods on world are criticized for being too tankie in moderation.
Admins try to address this by forcing mods to argue instead of immediately ban if something is posted against their beliefs.
A non-tankie mod thinks it is bullshit that they have to engage in every online argument in good faith and takes their subs (I know this isn’t the official term but it communicates the idea) dark in protest.
While I don’t agree with the ‘tankie’ rhetoric (it’s been thrown around so much that word has no meaning here), mod abuse has definitely gotten out of control across most online communities.
It’s opening up an opportunity for communities that don’t tolerate mod abuse to flourish.
The mods only have themselves to blame. Hopefully these new communities won’t repeat the same mistakes.
Why are right wingers the only ones who ever try to devalue the meaning of words?
If they don’t like being called tankies or nazis they are free to chage their beleifs, same as you if you feel like you are being grouped in for your beliefs.
Yeah, this proves my point.
I’m not a tankie, nor am I a right-winger.
We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments
Yup, when I think of tankies I think about the flat earth conspiracy. 🙄
How is tankism(???) Related to flat earthers?
Anti intellectualism
One Belives the shape of the earth is a lie, and all governments on earth collaborate to keep the lie alive, the other wants everyone’s needs to be met
It is going to be a learning experience for mods and admins on Lemmy. It took years for Reddit to cobble together a governance structure and, even then, it was really bad. I haven’t seen the devs take any stance on building tools to help and we’ve seen a lot of cases where mod abuse have been defended by admins.
This seems to be a first stab at admins taking a proactive approach to mod abuse. It is a bad policy, but at least they seem like they are trying to do something.
i still use sub. i dont think ill ever stop. like how podcasts are still called podcasts and they dont even make ipods anymore.
To be honest for people who didn’t use redet a lot, ‘subs’ is very confusing because it doesn’t relate to anything in the Threadyverse.
These days when I see subs I think submissives.
These days? Definitely made sense to me even back when I redditted. I am submissive to catsbeingjerks, hmmm, and Noita.
Here’s something to blow your mind: podcasts pre-date the iPod.
The term “podcast” was coined by Ben Hammersley, a BBC journalist and The Guardian columnist, in February 2004. The word is a combination of “iPod” and “broadcast”. Hammersley first used the term in an article for The Guardian.
Excellent summary.
Not that it matters, the whole .world instance is a toxic disinformation hub that should have been defederated long ago by every sane instance, but from what I’ve read it wasn’t tankies, in this case, it was vegan fundamentalists going on a ban spree (it’s far from the first time their .world community causes drama).
Why are you commenting so much on .world if you hate it this much?
I don’t have a .world account. I’m commenting on lemmynsfw, which hasn’t defederated .world yet, so I got this question on my feed and my replies are getting sent back to .world through federation.
Ya bud, I understand federation. I’m just saying, you’ve commented about how much you hate .world in this thread six times, which is a lot of times, and 99% of your interactions are on .world. It’s incredibly easy to block an instance and never see it again.
Blocking would only help me. Defederation helps everyone.
You have to allow a little raw chicken in the mayo now.
So now people are to be allowed to sealion and troll and JAQ off in your community, so long as they do it respectfully.
Or else.
Imagine running, say, a community for vulnerable trans kids, and being forced to allow a constant influx of ‘helpful suggestions’, just so long as they’re phrased in pretty language.
Anyone who’s seen what happens when mods legitimize trolls knows it kills communities. I wish i could have stayed on blahaj but it’s just as toxic as reddit lgbtq spaces now…
It is? What happened to blahaj?
Yikes
Short version: yesterday, Lemmy.world announced essentially, though they buried it under lots of distracting verbiage, that they were going to follow in the footsteps of Vichy Twitter and Meta and allow hate speech and misinformation, and probably more to the point, they intend to force recalcitrant mods to allow it regardless of their own views on the matter.
And the head mod/creator/whatever they are of unpopular opinion took exception to that and locked the community in protest.
I just want to highlight the term “Vichy Twitter” because I really like that. Thank you.
I’m another mod of the community. Admiral didn’t let me know they were doing this.
I still 100% support their actions regardless.
So you don’t support the LW announcement?
I thought this couldn’t happen in lemmy. Oh well…
This can certainly happen on Lemmy. And you can bypass it by setting up yourself and your communities on a different instance with more reasonable rules.
Lemmy can’t change human nature. It does not restrict bad behavior. It offers alternatives. Everyone gets to choose among instances and communities. The hope is that people will shift away from the ones that become toxic when better options are always available. It tends to be a gradual process, but I think it is working.
Everyone has the right to make dumb decisions :)
https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
So they’re trying cut back on echo chambers and power tripping mods. I like this, but I wonder how this going to play out.
We’re going to allow some “flat earth” comments. We’re going to force some moderators to accept some “flat earth” comments
You… like this? Glad I’m not a mod, this is how places like Reddit became what they are today. Opinions should be allowed, but admins should be able to moderate blatant falsehoods.
Yeah. I’d rather have people rely on citations and inquisition than trusting mods to keep misinformation at bay.
I don’t, but I also moved all the communities I mod off LW
We’ve already run into problems with that where mods banned people talking about Israeli war crimes as “misinformation”. Despite it being headline news.
So that’s obviously not a great system.
Did you document this on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com ?
Yeah I’m pretty sure I remember it getting called out there.
Define “blatant falsehood”. See where the problem starts?
Their own example of a “differing opinion” to be discussed (i.e., promoted) instead of banned is flat earth lunacy.
The policy is intended to promote disinformation and hate speech, as was that bot they shoved on all their communities a while ago.
.world is and has always been a disinformation hub that should have been defederated by every sane instance from the get go.
Reddit is a living emblem of the problem this is trying to solve so I have no idea what you mean.
Mods can’t be trusted to enforce the truth. It’s far too complicated and they invariably end up enforcing their own distorted view of the world instead.
You… like this?
Yeah. You know the saying, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.”.
Did sunlight stop the Nazi problem on Twitter?
That saying is total bullshit. I’ve seen people say it for years, only to one day turn coats and reveal that they supported the falsehoods all along.
Sunlight helps scum find other scum.
Policy sentiments aside, wow that post is so up it’s own ass. There was definitely a more concise way to communicate the change.
So they’re trying cut back on echo chambers and power tripping mods.
No they’re not. They’re trying to promote disinformation and hate speech, because they’re trying to emulate Musk, Zuckerberg, and spez, as they’ve always done.
Hopefully this’ll be the drop that makes the glass overflow and will get .world finally defederated by saner instances.
I’m not an expert in political philosophy by any measure, but I kind of feel like lemmy.world is a small case study in the pros and cons of realpolitik.
Mostly the cons.
.world continually making dumb changes
Seems like they locked the community in protest of recent .world TOS changes. Although I think a much better protest would be to simply refuse to enforce the changes they felt are unsatisfactory.
…or just migrate the community to another instance? Like why are we in the fediverse? Have people forgotten that if you don’t like a instance, you can just move to another one?
Migration as a first choice is rash.
It’s really not. The whole purpose of federation is that you can just go to whatever instance you like best.
Migration as a sub is rash since it involves moving a community of people.
But it doesn’t? I moved from .world to .ml last year but I can still go to .world communities to argue with people, just like before. Migration actually should be the first choice.
This isn’t regarding a user, but where a community is being hosted.
Are all major community members in Lemmys that are federated to where the community is being moved?
What happens to the community’s data, since it won’t get carried over?
What prevents this issue from happening again in a new instance?
For a platform that is meant to communicate, it seems funny that a lot of people’s gut reactions to coordination problems is to cut all ties and leave.
Are all major community members in Lemmys that are federated to where the community is being moved?
Depends on where they move, doesn’t it? Obviously if a community moves to hexbear then .world users won’t be able to access it (and that’s .world’s fault). But there’s no need to do that? They can just move to a federated instance and stay connected.
What happens to the community’s data, since it won’t get carried over?
Does anything have to happen to that data? Why not just leave it behind as a record? I guess they could go through the effort of using a bot to repost everything in the new community if they wanted to preserve everything and not leave it on the old instance.
What prevents this issue from happening again in a new instance?
Pick a good instance and it won’t happen.
.world was always shit, anyone could have seen this coming. It’s always just been a reddit instance.
For a platform that is meant to communicate, it seems funny that a lot of people’s gut reactions to coordination problems is to cut all ties and leave.
Again, the whole point of federation is that we don’t cut all ties. It’s not like moving communities requires defederating from .world
I gotta rash, man.
Not when it’s from a toxic instance like .world.
From the announcement in question:
Some communities will receive an immediate notice with a link to this new policy. The most egregious communities will comply, or their moderators will be removed from those communities.
Nothing like a good power trip from the admins. Even if mods are power tripping people can make a new community. This was a bad response by admins, they bowed to only the most vocal minority. Vast majority of people have been fine with the moderation on .world. only classy thing to do is to take it back and play it off like it was a trial run that didn’t work out
I have no idea, what is it?
They locked the community in protest of . world’s new pro-disinformation and pro-hate speech policies.
Wtf dot world?
