I can only imagine SMIC is going to become extremely competitive in the next several years.
Oh fuck the US is high on its own supply and genuinely believes this will work
They are panicked and desperate and still cannot show a single ounce of humility to save themselves lmao
I fucking hope they try this. It’ll hand the future to RISCV and we’ll finally see the end of x86
I don’t get why people think this. They’ll just ban RISCV or at least any productions of it from outside western aligned foundries. If national security claims aren’t sufficient they’ll claim that all Chinese foundries are staffed by child slaves and beaten monkeys and no one else and slap bans on their use anywhere in the west. What this all accomplishes is creating a bifurcated tech world.
As these lay out you’ll have three types of countries:
- Imperial core loyal, can only use and allowed to use western tech, patents, chips, etc, restricted from sales to 2, 3
- Chinese/Russian core and their periphery of most loyal customers who choose to endure blistering western blockade on import of any western tech and other coercive measures against them and thus are able to use whether they like it or not only Chinese/Russian chips, brands, tech.
- Non-aligned just like the first cold war, nations that the US allows some sales to but puts restrictions on them, prevents re-export to countries under 2, and they can’t get the very best stuff western because they haven’t agreed to exclude Chinese/Russian tech and adopt western “clean network”
It’s all part of a larger coercive paradigm to build a tall fence around the western controlled yard and drag as many countries as they can to within that, isolate China and Russia and crank up the heat on trade war, embargo basic materials, cut off exchange of scientific knowledge and figure they come out on top. As it stands the US navy and NATO navy are much stronger than Russia and China’s combined fleets, the Chinese in particular have entirely structured themselves around near defense of their coastal waters with very limited long-range capabilities which means the US can interdict off the coast of say Africa or South America to enforce blockades, to do piracy and hampers and harass Chinese and Russian development. Eventually the Russians and Chinese will have to respond but they’re very hesitant to react and keep on flinching which is why the west is confident in continuing this strategy and in the near-term it certainly looks like it will bring the west benefits in terms of delaying the decline of their hegemony somewhat and in fact increasing the level of coercion. They believe the best time to strike is now while they still have dollar hegemony, while they still have SWIFT, while they still have the upper hand in many areas and they’re not wrong. The only reason they aren’t moving faster on this is they are beholden to not totally wrecking their own capitalist/corporate interests and need to give companies time to wind down and change supply chains which takes years. The west let’s not forget has a stronger starting position and hand thanks to centuries of colonialism and plunder, thanks to a century of successfully waged cold war which they won, thanks to extensive experience and prep-work for stay-behind, for destabilization, for funding militants, for control of cyber-space from their commanding heights of control of the major internet companies which are all western based and control discourse and online life for much of the globe. (Also why they want to ban tiktok, they will not accept any cracks in their total dominance of the internet and the web)
The US may not succeed in pulling as many countries into their orbit and their tall fence small yard as they wish, then again they may. They ousted Assad after a decade, they’ve had their proxy crush Iranian influence in the middle east, they have many more color revolutions, islamist proxies, etc to throw in the fire. Nothing is certain other than that trade barriers are going up and the ability of those in the west to access tech not completely compromised by the NSA/eyes is decreasing rapidly as the boot comes down, as the progressive veneer drops, as companies drop even the pretense of caring about trans people, about LGBTQ rights, about racial justice, etc. They need to keep a lid on their own populations as well as maintain hegemony and turn up the pressure to isolate, cook, and destroy China/Russia or at least build their own independent kingdom and some outlying regions they subject to neo-colonialism to sustain capitalism in a different form.
Non-aligned just like the first cold war, nations that the US allows some sales to but puts restrictions on them, prevents re-export to countries under 2, and they can’t get the very best stuff western because they haven’t agreed to exclude Chinese/Russian tech and adopt western “clean network”
I’m going to be a GPU/CPU smuggler
This is basically just a map of who China will be exporting chips to lol
Ukraine killed itself for the empire. This is how they are repaid. Does loyalty and submission mean nothing to the US? I don’t understand. Isn’t it leadership 101 to stand behind those loyal to you? The lack of honor and respect is making me surprisingly angry.
hekkin slava ukrani liberinosWhat happened with the balitc chihuahua ( Pomeranian?) countries?
Limiting the entire global south is such a disgusting move what the fuck
Portugal absolutely in shambles after being kicked out of the westoid club
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Absolutely funny Hungary is included too, they’re probably mad BYD is building a factory there
Portugal, Switzerland, Austria and Greece are tier 2? Lmao
Isn’trael
They had to try a bit harder on this one by filling in the “bad” countries and the “idk but probably bad” countries
We’re back to first, second, third world shit lol
Interesting how French Guiana counts as a part of France and Greenland doesn’t count as a part of Denmark, in spite of both basically having the same degree of dependence from their colonizers.
Also apparently being a founding member of NATO doesn’t make you an ally of the US when you’re Portugal or Iceland.
Greenland doesn’t count as a part of Denmark
Also whoever made the map could just be an idiot
North Yemen being in Tier 2 lets goooooo Ansarallah supercomputers incoming
Why is greenland tier 2 if its part of america?
*soon to be tier 1
Trump is just going to continue this lmao.
Please China, use this opportunity to expand your market presence and export those homemade chips to the rest of the world.
I want to play La Witcherina IV and my computer needs an upgrade. I don’t want to sell a kidney just for an overpriced Nvidia GPU.
Now, seriously, it’s incredible how the Yankees keep shooting themselves in the foot.
It already has. Since the US banned Huawei it has just used the open source part of Android to develop it’s own OS, which now is more popular than iOS within China and growing outside of China. It’s funny to me that people are doubting it’s going to take off this year and get the app diversity that Huawei wants for it. Keep doubting Chinese companies, westerners.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202406/1314272.shtml
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20241111PD218/harmonyos-huawei-android-expansion.html
Chinese chips are already viable for daily consumer computing (admittedly this is a broad definition). It is important to remember that Moore’s law applies to Chinese advancement in semiconductor development just as it did for everyone else with the added exception that much of this technology does not have to be independently developed for the Chinese. They already know how most of it is done because these advancements are part of the public scientific record. For them, it’s a matter of developing the processes to scale for manufacturing. So within the next 5 years I firmly believe we will see Chinese developed chips that are on parity with AMD and Intel. China does not throw tens to hundreds of billions of dollars into the development of something without staggering results and that is what they have done with domestic chip R&D. Everyone is saying 10 years, but China has proven time and again to beat expectations at double the pace when they are pressured.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2024/05/31/chinas-massive-barrage-in-the-chip-battle/
How did we end up with the top leadership of the empire so drastically overestimating its current reach and abilities? At this point Trump has a more realistic grasp of global geopolitics.
Also this is basically the plot of the Three Body Problem except the Trisolarans could, y’know, actually do it.
I wonder if in a couple of years I’ll be trying to discreetly import a Chinese made gpu (32gb vram, half the price of competing nvidia card) labeled as an air purifier or some shit
I’m hoping exporters put them in nvidia boxes so customs just lets it go through
being immediatly visited by the feds because your chinese made gpu doesn’t have a backdoor (for them) and the NSA Panopticon throws up an error
God I hate that this sounds like the most crank shit imaginable and yet it’s still not
probably instead soon you’re going to have GPUs that spend insane amounts of energy to make sure you’re not looking at movies/tvshows/porn/non-christian youtubers without paying the specific extra subscription and old/blackmarket GPUs end up really expensive.
Years ago, there was some weird glitch on the NSA’s software where it wouldn’t work without one particular American-made GPU part, but they just kept it in without bothering to look at it, because the two manufacturers are already American anyways? But then it becomes a problem when China puts their hat in the ring, and there’s so much spaghetti code they can’t possibly find the source of the problem. Lathing it.
This is the real reason they’re putting so much into AI, to clean up their sloppy spaghetti code
This is actually real in graphics programming for video games right now. Studios are just relying on AI upscaling and frame generation so they can cut time and money on actual optimization.
Using AI to refactor a complicated code base would be the funniest shit ever
I get paid to do this what do you mean?
I’m relying on this website to tell me how to acquire said GPU when the time comes.
interesting concept, but I really see myself buying something like an ARM or RISC-V based linux native minipc or netbook with a GPU capable of playing most pre-2020 games (on paper, the pre-requisite drivers/wine/emulators may not exist for another decade after the first wave of these devices).
I think currently you can buy something vaguely gameboy shaped preloaded with SNES and GBA stuff, so maybe a pre-loaded black market steamdeck isn’t that far in the future.
I’m wondering what advantage, if any, does AI really give for a nation? All I’ve really seen is that it can make people in beauracratic jobs be a touch more productive, but these jobs are already bullshit to begin with and are not producing real value. All this is doing is reducing some of the costs so that companies can report a bit more profit for the quarter.
Then there’s all the slop AI can produce which doesn’t really mean anything for competitive advantage. And there’s also “AI integration” in products that don’t really need it. So yea unless some compelling use case for AI is discovered, I feel like it’s another crypto.
MLMs are crazy useful in processing massive amounts of data for a bunch of scientific applications, and AI in general has uses in manufacturing and infrastructure, but the mass marketed LLM slop is not that and absolutely not necessary (or even particularly useful) for an individual.
Yea I tend to use “AI” as a term for generative AI, which I should stop cause of how broad it is. I definitely see the usefulness of machine learning models for research purposes. I haven’t heard of how it’s used in manufacturing and infrastructure though, interested in looking more into that.
Kumikommunism already talked about manufacturing, but they do (/could be used to do) a lot of optimisation in infrastructure - stuff like ai-controlled traffic lights to relieve traffic flow, detecting vibrations in buildings or bridges to predict where preventative maintainance will be needed, energy demand prediction and distribution - stuff where the data sets are naturally massive or require extreme precision are perfect for AI. Then there’s the ai-powered “dark factories” that just need some attention from an engineer now and then, operating almost completely autonomously.
Its most easy to understand application in manufacturing is in creating more efficient structures, as a ratio of strength to material used. It’s called “generative design”, which is kind of an alternative to another interesting technique that doesn’t typically use AI called “topology optimization”, if you want to look at both of those. Unsurprisingly, they both end up looking very “organic”.
This is the first article I found: https://parametric-architecture.com/nasa-uses-ai-to-design-mission-hardware-that-looks-somewhat-alien-and-weird/
That’s actually really cool
US Capital doesn’t want other world powers to perfect the ai-powered human face targeting auto-turrets before they do imo
I am thankful for the fact that our Chinese Comrades have shown great moral decency in the past and that as soon as our oppressive capitalist system is overthrown, we will immediately be able to mend our relationship and resume collaboration.
Didn’t work for Vietnam lol
Thank you for this enlightening intervention.
No problem
even if this policy worked (and it won’t) how much of an edge does the US even have in this area, two years tops?
At the rate China is advancing, not long at all
Genshin impact is building a fusion reactor
USA: Government Moon program is failing
China: Game devs push practical science application into the future
when that massive particle accelerator comes online for etching shit is going to get real
I doubt the US will let China’s etching particle accelerator come online.
lathe time
Even though I highly doubt the current CIA’s skills, they’re going to find another Chinese scientist in the US to accuse of spying and then send them to China. However, for that scientist to come back to the US and have all charges dropped, they would have to spy on, and then sabotage, the accelerator.
not many people know this, but MSS stands for Must Safeguard Semiconductors
4 months
it starts to collapse in may
Actually, the whole map should be red to curb the computing power and prevent the planet in becoming a slow cooker
This is good news for Bitcoin
What possible justification is there for placing limits on the “rest of the world”? Besides racism and imperialism, I mean.
Because China might buy it from the rest of the world if they needed it badly enough.
why would this need a besides? or do you mean what’s the propaganda reasoning?
Yeah I want to know how they’re justifying it. The likes of Biden don’t usually say the quiet parts out loud.
It’s something between Asian Peril and McCarthyism where communist china is trying to take over the world to make you share toothbrushes honestly. I don’t think the US needs much of a propaganda reasoning to act against China at this point
This isn’t just against China, though, it’s a bunch of other countries in Asia as well.
It’s like they’re just openly admitting “if you do business with China you’re with the enemy” now.
It’s like they’re just openly admitting “if you do business with China you’re with the enemy” now.
I don’t think they’ve been very subtle about that one even before this
Punishing countries for just being Asian and trading with China is an escalation - a new phase of an ongoing trend.
They’re forcing the fence sitters to pick a side. I do t know if it’s a good move for them, but they certainly think so
I mean it was so effective last time
War on Terror USA: You’re either with us or against us
France: Can we at least see a tiny bit of evidence to appease our citizens before we start bombin-
USA: Well now French fries are going to be called “Freedom Fries”, how about that?
France: look we’re largely on board just give us a crumb to justif-
USA: loud screeching
Yeah that seems to be it - “if you’re not with us you’re with the enemy”
What happened to sovereignty?? Possibly one of the stupidest and least enforceable policies ever made
Sovereignty is contingent on whether you exceed the amount of the computing power the United States wants you to have
Sovereignty is contingent on whether you exceed the amount of
the computingpower the United States wants you to have
