Few people were willing to give up their slaves voluntarily. Fuck off.

I actually think this is an apt analogy. Slavery wasn’t abolished because people magically realized it was wrong and “argued with ideas” in order to abolish it. Abolition only really became a movement after the mechanization from the Industrial Revolution made it possible to envision a society where production could continue along, even increase multi-fold, without the use of chattel slaves. Despite what you think of Aristotle, he was kind of right when he said that “when the looms spin by themselves, we’ll have no need for slaves” (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Politics_(Aristotle)).

So carrying on the historical materialist analysis into the realm of animal liberation, it seems clear to me that no amount of convincing is going to change such a long standing practice like consuming meat unless there is a fundamental technological shift, not unlike how “liberals” in Britain and the North (USA) “suddenly realized” that “slavery was evil” only after their societies had started to industrialize. Only then did they “voluntarily” give up their slaves (and trade them in for factory workers, which is another topic altogether). It was the South (USA) that lagged behind because it still had a plantation based economy and thus held on to slavery. It couldn’t keep up in terms of production during the Civil War precisely because its industrial base to produce things like munitions, rail lines, etc. was undercapitalized compared to factories in the North. I mean think about it, why did a practice that had been around for centuries, in every society, suddenly get viewed as morally evil? And precisely in those areas (Britain and the northern USA) where industrialization had already started to take off?

Anyways, long story short, I think that a technological shift in the base is required before there can be a change in the superstructure with respect to ending conventional slaughter of animals for meat.

From what I remember she used to be critical of “SJWs” during the gamergate/2016 era but it seems like now she just makes random vids on cultural topics. So maybe she’s still channeling some of that energy? I dunno, but the video itself seems to stand on its own after watching it myself.

Yeah but on the positive she did shit on Thought Slime, which is good cuz they suck.

Ugh bad take from her.

But the video is still pretty good though, would recommend checking it out.

In the vid she says “we the liberal soccdem leftists whatever you want to call this space online” (6:27 in the vid). Seems more like Breadtube or Breadtube-adjacent to me. Either way she’s basically saying what I’ve seen people here on hexbear say and gets tons of upvotes for (i.e. the right talks to lonely young men, but the left either doesn’t or does a terrible job at it).

I don’t think so? The video was pretty good actually. She mentions, among other things, capitalism in general, housing affordability, lack of friendships, and all that other stuff in the video. I’d recommend checking it out. For what it’s worth her youtube bio says:

comedic social commentary from a left wing populist POV. stick around if you like loud screeching and bad memes.

And cuz he’s an aThEiSt

i pitty every trans person still holding out there.

I wonder why they are even in there tbh. Like what’s the appeal at this point?

claiming that queer people are faking it is incredibly and offensive. Stop doing it. You would not claim that a black man isn’t really black because he says something you disagree with because you’d get knocked the hell out. Don’t claim people’s identities are fake because our politics are to the left of yours. You’re literally just abusing other lgbt people with that sentiment by essentially stating “unless your politics align with mine I will deny you the right to your gender”.

That’s precisely what a Russian shill would say to try to obfuscate the issue. I would know, I learned about whataboutism and those tactics in my political science 101 class. I only had to take that class because its a required core elective for my STEMlord degree. So back the fuck off TANKIE!

You guys all rent, so I was wondering: how much should I charge? Comparables around here are $900-1200/mo, but I don’t want to screw the guy.

No, those who are lead to reactionary figures is irregardless of dating someone.

That seems essentialistic.

Not to mention so many of these people that complain about this are below 22, at which dating is viewed as uncommon among most of the normal population anyway

??? What are you talking about?

At this point the word incel has basically multiple meanings. It can be a legitimate state of being (in fact the person who came up with the term was a woman) or a knee-jerk insult. It’s basically just like the term tankie.

Yeah I know who he is. He actually had trouble with women even though he had backstage passes as a writing for rolling stone magazine. It wasn’t until after he learned the dating skills that he was able to be better with women.

This whole struggle session has made it crystal clear that the west is pretty much guaranteed to descend into fascism. A lot of people basically seem to knee-jerk dismiss concerns people have about being in the friend zone, and without a legitimate leftist response to this, tons of alienated young men are going to find their way to reactionary figures and basically become the foot soldiers of fascism. There needs to be more concrete help for these alienated guys other than saying “it’s all capitalism’s fault that you feel that way” or saying “oh you even mention the friend zone? tHaT mEaNs YoU’rE aN iNcEl!” I mean yes capitalism has really alienated us and commodified dating but that’s not gonna help the lonely guy who gets rejected all the time other than in an intellectual way. Also telling him that “you should just be content with life” is also not helpful either. I mean yeah you can be all Buddhist about it but would you say that to other disenfranchised people as well? “Hey sorry about the discrimination but it’s better to just be content with life.” Is this what an AES nation would do? Sounds like some idealist western shit rather than a principled materialist approach that takes into account the realities on the ground. The USSR industrialized, developed, and got rid of cyclical famines. China lifted millions out of poverty. They didn’t just say “it’s capitalism’s fault that you’re homeless” and then just leave it at that, they actually did concrete stuff. There needs to be concrete action done to deal with this issue other than mockery/dunking or simple platitudes like “hey just be yourself and be content.”

Anyways, like I’ve said before, the west is doomed.

I didn’t say it’s evidence of anything, just that the results are interesting

I added some more vids with non-white ppl as well.

I’m sure there was some there but it was mostly just guys who had gotten rejected a lot trying to figure out how to be more confident, dress better, and learn how to talk to women. Later on people started to mix politics in with it (i.e. “women are only like this cuz of feminism, liberalism, etc.”)

To my fellow guys, there is nothing more pathetic than being an “orbiter” that stays friends with a women in the vague hope that they change their minds and want a romantic relationship with you.

I’ve been flamed for comments that get widespread support a few weeks later.

Looks like that happened in this very thread lol. I see comments now that basically mirror what I said earlier in the thread’s history.

I like the idea of a dating coach.

That’s essentially what the PUAs from the 2000s were. It was only towards the end of the 2000s and the early 2010s that you started to see that stuff morph into the “manosphere” and “red pill” stuff you see today.