More than 15,000 people in Arizona have registered to join a new political party floating a possible bipartisan “unity ticket” against Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

While that’s less than the population of each of the state’s 40 largest cities, it’s still a number big enough to tip the presidential election in a critical swing state. And that is alarming people trying to stop Trump from winning the White House again.

The very existence of the No Labels group is fanning Democratic anxiety about Trump’s chances against an incumbent president facing questions about his age and record. While it hasn’t committed to running candidates for president and vice president, No Labels has already secured ballot access in Arizona and 10 other states. Its organizers say they are on track to reach 20 states by the end of this year and all 50 states by Election Day.

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    Yes, exactly. Both of these things can be true at the same time:

    1. First-past-the-post plurality voting is a crappy system, devised before humanity discovered the math of voting systems. It has all kinds of predictably terrible results.
    2. It is currently the system we have. Because of this, if people who object to fascism fail to vote for a non-fascist candidate who can win, then the fascists will win.

    Anyone who disregards point 2 because of point 1 thereby ends up materially supporting fascism. This is unfortunate but that doesn’t make it false.

    “But I want to vote my principles!” Great! Is one of your principles “fascists should lose”? If so, then please make sure to take the steps that support that principle!

    Currently in the US there are two parties that can credibly take the presidential election: the center-right party and the fascist party. This is unfortunate but that doesn’t make it false.

    Vote third party in local elections. Elect a Socialist mayor or a Libertarian judge; a Green sheriff or a Communist dogcatcher. Build those local party networks. Support approval voting or other voting systems that actually make some mathematical sense. But please don’t let the fascists win because you’re pissed off at the voting system.

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        If you cannot distinguish between a wannabe dictator and an authority figure using their authority, you might be too fucking stupid for politics.

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            Dude, one side wants to eradicate my people. Shut the absolute fuck up

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              I’m a minority, so no, I won’t shut up, but thanks for showing me why you people are just as bad as republicans. You think it’s ok to demonize marginalized people and I don’t think that’s right.

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            The authority being unjust is wholly different than a fucking despot attempting a coup… Again, if you cannot understand the difference, you are too stupid for politics.

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            Listen, I get where you’re coming from: I don’t think any branch of the US government has legitimate power, and their authority is as farcical as if some watery tart had lobbed a scimitar at them and declared them king of the Britons.

            But regardless, lots of people believe in the intersubjective reality of “America” and while they’re all collectively insane, they can use violence to get what they want. I’d rather they use violence to not kill my children.

            Plus, Democrats are weak so if we kill the Republican party we’ll have an easier time overthrowing the capitalist Democrats.

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        They really aren’t Fascists. Hey, I did a 14 point analysis on the two parties! Here’s the summary: 1: Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: R***, D*. 2: Disregard for Human Rights: R***, D* 3: ID of Enemies as Unifying Cause: R***, D* 4: Supremacy of the Military: R**, D** 5: Widespread Sexism: R***, D 6: Controlled Mass Media: R***, D* 7: Obsession with National Security: R***, D* 8: Religion and Government Intertwined: R***, D 9: Corporate Power Protected: R***, D*** 10: Labour Power Suppressed: R***, D* 11: Disrespect of Arts and Intellectuals: R***, D* 12: Obsession with Crime and Punishment: R***, D* 13: Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: R***, D* 14: Fraudulent Elections: R***, D*

        I go into lots of detail about why I award the stars (*) above. Zero Stars means I think the party is actually really damn good about this topic. One star means they have some problems but are otherwise fair. Two means they have a real problem with this, despite making some headway on righting it. And 3 stars means they aren’t even bothering to do anything about it and are in Hitler/Mussolini levels of devotion to Fascist ideals. As you can see, I ranked the Republicans 3 Stars on everything, with the Dems really only joining the Reps when it comes to protecting corporate interests.

        What do you rank the Dems on this list, and more importantly, why? I mean, if you asked the Republicans, Dems hate the US and want to see it fail, so they’d not get any points for 1, 4, 7 or 8, and, according to Republicans, we’re all baby-eating, baby-f***ing Satan worshippers, so the only religion we want intertwined with government is Satanism, but we all hate Christians, so we can’t be guilty of 8. I’d be interested to see your take of how the Dems match the 14 characteristics of Fascism. Maybe we’ll learn something about you here.

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          This is a hard comment to read on my end, because the asterisks are being used for italics and bolds, and the single line breaks don’t cause a line break in the displayed text

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          I mean your own analysis proves that other posts point. The Dems are fascist as well, just not as overt.