Biden didn’t close Trump’s camps (and Obama started most of them!), he just renamed them.

This one’s a whole can of worms that would require some level of good faith and listening for me to explain fully. Short answer, Biden tried to change the US’s immigration policy several times and it didn’t work. It’s fundamentally a terrible system, and he did some amount to change that and didn’t hit the gas on its most terrible features like Trump did, but it’s still terrible today, and we can say that it’s okay to hold him responsible for that since at the end of the day, the buck stops with him. I have more I could say on it that you would interpret as liberal bullshit, but you’re not a million miles off base.

Biden let just about all of Trump’s executive orders stand and didn’t reverse them.

Biden reversed 31% of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_orders_by_Donald_Trump

I don’t know what your metric for, “just about all” is. I think you’ll have to get more specific than just the raw number. I have no real idea which ones are most significant or whether specific ones in those significant areas were left or undone.

To me, Biden did great on the climate, horrendous on enabling genocide in Gaza, and great on undoing the great fuckening of the working class that’s been a project since 1980. With both of those “greats” calibrated within the limits of what he could do within our pretty dystopian governmental system. Those are the biggest things I care about. If you want to talk specific actions, bring up the actions instead of just generalities about how many orders.

Biden handed out more oil drilling permits than Trump did!

There’s a popular way of talking about Biden’s impact on the climate that’s crafted by the right wing to depress support for the Democrats among the left, so that they can get people in who really want to destroy the climate, by making it sound like there’s no difference between the parties.

The IRA is the biggest climate action an American president has ever done, ten times over. It’s predicted by experts to roughly double the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions every year:

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2023/07/12/new-study-evaluates-climate-impact-ira

That’s not enough. It’s laughable. But how he got a bunch of American politicians including Joe Manchin to agree to that much, I have no idea.

It needs to be doubled again, this year or ideally 15 years ago, to make a difference. If someone comes out saying that we need to redouble the thing 5 times over to make a significant difference, and laugh in the face of this 4% shit, that sounds great to me. I would support that. If someone cherry-picks particular ways of looking at it, counting permits being one of those ways, that don’t really reflect what it did for emissions, and then argues that it’s not worth voting because Trump would be basically the same, I’m going to be suspicious of their motives.

I don’t know why I spent this much time laying out facts about how I look at it. I may not continue. But you said factual things, so I’m willing to have at least a short factual conversation about what happened.

Do you have any fucking ground to stand upon at all or are you just going to post more passive-aggressive shit?

Lol. I am king passive-aggressive. I don’t need anyone’s help at being liberal or smug. But someone from Hexbear complaining that they’re talking to someone who’s not being nice to them in their tone and presentation is fucking hilarious.

I’ll talk facts for at least a short time, if you want to, but let’s not get ourselves confused about who took a shit in this particular paddling-pool and made it all unpleasant to have a conversation in.