• GenderIsOpSec [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    what are they even turning fascist for? it’s not like there’s communists anywhere near europe right now, are we just going to start doing pogroms against immigrants now? fucking worthless “continent” and i use that very loosely

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      3 months ago

      what are they even turning fascist for?

      The usual reason: “things are bad? It isn’t our fault, it’s the fault of the marginalized out-group! Destroy them!” capitalist-laugh

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      Fascism doesn’t require the threat of communism to exist, it simply requires capitalism to start showing signs of failure and then those who profit circle the wagons around their hoarded wealth and you’re gonna get a fascism out of that if people don’t stomp it down and replace capitalism so it can’t happen again. They’re the immune response of capitalism. The white power blood cells if you will.

    • blame [they/them]@hexbear.net
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      i dont think fascism requires the presence of communism to show up. Neoliberalism is destroying everything, the anger and energy of the masses has to be directed somewhere and there are only a few possible ways for it to go. Fascism is the least bad for the bourgeoisie.

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        Yeah and it is much easier (I.e. less pushback) to direct that towards the vulnerable and under privileged than those with power, guns, and money. One of those could get you killed.

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        I don’t think even Putin realized the war in Ukraine would result in the US staging a silent coup of western Europe. It’s obvious now in hindsight Russia’s economy would be fine going into the war, despite harsh sanctions by NATO. What isn’t obvious is how Europeans would sell themselves out to American energy and food suppliers. This whole thing has been a godsend for American companies running out of people to exploit in the US as its working class never recovered from 2008.

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            Oh yeah the US has been doing this for centuries at this point. I’m just surprised the Europeans didn’t realize they were getting played, given they invented colonialism. It’s a real “leopards for eating people’s faces party now eat faces of people who let them out of the cage.”

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      I think you’re landing on why allusions to historical fascism or the interwar period are kind of a limiting framework to understanding these parties

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      Europe has been steadily losing its neocolonial grip on the Global South, so it is inevitable they turn to fascism in hopes of reasserting their position as colonial metropoly.

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      Does fascism really need an actual communist enemy now that they’re all convinced that even the blandest liberals are literally Mao reborn though?

      I’m thinking no. And that’s kinda scary.

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      Because they think muslims are a subhuman horde destroying Western™ civilization, and it’s all orchestrated by the Woke©®™ (usually they mean jewish communists controlling society secretly)

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      The Germanic brain pan is incapable of complex thought and so turns to simplistic tribalism instead of civilization