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- lgbt@lemmygrad.ml
- transenby_liberation@hexbear.net
- cross-posted to:
- lgbt@lemmygrad.ml
- transenby_liberation@hexbear.net
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/72043
2/4/2021 Update: In light of chucklefuck TERF shit with Giggle, I am once again demanding the rest of you liberals educate yourselves on trans issues with Trans Liberation as a starting point. And you better believe more literature on minority struggle is in the pipelines. We’re doing some reading this month, libs. Get ready.
AUDIOBOOKS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR ALL 8 CHAPTERS. YOU LITERALLY HAVE NO EXCUSE FOR LIBERALISM.
https://hexbear.net/post/48476
Follow that link and you’ll find a free download of the book in pdf and comrade @EugeneDebs’s epub, comrade @futomes’ audiobooks for all eight chapters, and notes and discussions from the book (and don’t you dare just read the fucking notes you god damn liberals, read the fucking book or listen to the audiobook).
I spent an entire weekend night scanning the whole damn book so y’all could educate yourselves on the fucking struggles we’ve been screaming about for the past six months and hardly any of you damn cissie libs participated. Had you participated you’d probably have a better understanding of the struggles we face and we probably wouldn’t be in this situation where trans people are heading for this damn hills because you’re all shit libs driving us away.
Fucking read it or listen to the audiobooks and I won’t ask again. It’s all free. The book is only 147 pages - that’s 7 pages per night for exactly 3 weeks. I wipe my fucking ass with 7 pages, that’s nothing. People put genuine effort into this to ensure you could educate yourselves and you have no reason not to outside of fucking liberalism.
It reads quick. Drop whatever the fuck you’re reading and read this. Now. :leslie-shining:
Edit: I’ll be throwing up a discussion thread at some point in the next week or so for you damn shitlibs to comment on with things you find meaningful so I’ll know if you actually gave a shit. I swear to God I better see y’all in the comments.If you’re having trouble downloading, there are links in this comment by u/hexaflexagonbear that seem to work.
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Ey up; sadly the download links are all buggered but I found it at transreads. https://transreads.org/trans-liberation-beyond-pink-or-blue/
Honestly this should go in c/bestofhexbear for posterity
But more importantly read Feinberg
Finally time for me to redeem myself and read this
wild to think that I thought I was cis when the drama and the pronouns struggle session first dropped and now several years later I’m wearing skirts and shit
communism is a pathway to many abilities some transphobes consider to be… unnatural.wild to think that I thought I was cis when the drama and the pronouns struggle session first dropped and now several years later I’m wearing skirts and shit
Same, lol.
I remember we had a demographics survey a long time ago and were already pretty trans; I wonder what the numbers are now. I think there’s a lot of us who have changed a little sense then, lol
What was that struggle session? I was still cis tho while I was on Reddit Chapo, but I took a break because Hexbear pre federation was different. Still
We had a load of reactionary patsoc types and their adjacents who used to use / raid the site and they were really, really upset about mandatory pronouns and being told not to be transphobic
Goddamn yeah and that was years before patsoc and MAGA communist were terms people used. We used to call them stupidpolers
Glad y’all picked the right side. Dongistan was genzedong still left on Reddit and they were way too comfortable with actual right wingers vibing in there under the guise of “left unity”. Too many V****ites who never got past the reactionary debate bro shit
Yeah I used to kind of lurk dongistan and gradually got more and more uncomfortable with it and then just stopped using it
Saaaame
What’s that meme with “you’re really going to die for trans people?” “Someone is…”
post to traa
I think I did not long after the comm opened, but happy to post it again!
has this been posted to /c/traa yet
If you don’t stand up for trans rights, your pronouns are about to be were/was.
uphold tc69 thought
Yeah, I’m a Marxist-Leninist-TransComrade69ist
more and more people are saying it
no more half measures walter
Needs a permanent sticky
Mandatory reading
Beginning my reread and I just want to note that Feinberg goes out of hir way to detail how trans liberation is liberatory for everyone, not just trans people, and does so without centering cis people as that line of thought so often does. I think that’s a big part of the book’s accessibility, is that it targets a wholistic view of sex and gender.
I hope this gets some visibility on the federated instances. there’s a lot of people over there that could do with reading this.
if you’re visiting from another instance: read this book. it’s short and it will change your perspective on queer politics. there’s no liberation for any of us without liberation for us all.
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pls crosspost this to Lemmygrad so it’s easier to pin it there
Any place there in particular?
LGBTQ+ is probably the best place
Just did
Being bullied into reading this book by TC69 is one of the most important things that has ever happened in both my personal and political development.
Losing hir still hits hard. I could have learned so much more.
she just left?
one of the admins got doxxed and the whole admin team changed hands. wouldn’t be surprised if she still posts under a different name but we don’t know for very good reason.
Yeah it’s kind of important we don’t know.
That said, I hope TC found a new thing to pursue like mad and be great at. You know the scene in Good Will Hunting where Ben Affleck tells Matt Damon, “In twenty years, if you’re still livin here, comin over to my house to watch the Patriots game, still workin construction, I’ll fuckin kill ya”? That’s how I feel about TC taking a new handle and dialing hir rhetoric back to fly under the radar.
That scene is classism pure though.
I dunno. Chuckie’s aware of the classism that exists that’s keeping his options limited and opening up options for Will. But in context, Will’s not doing this work out of some sense that construction is more honorable. He’s not rejecting academic work out of class solidarity. He enjoys it and struggles to feed that part of himself in his current situation, but avoids the opportunity to do so to maintain a sense of control. And in the end, he finds a way to be vulnerable and open to that part of himself without siding with the walking bag of classism that is Professor Lambeau.
I’m not gonna act like the movie’s some pinnacle of leftist art or whatever. Plenty of shit in it’s bad, but I fundamentally don’t think it drops the ball enough on class to say its effect is upholding it. If anything, a big reason why it’s important for him to find another path is that, while disingenuous, he is correct about how fucked up the academic work he’s being asked to do is.
The writers and producers did decide that a scene has to be there in which our protagonist does sever his last social connection that directly relates to the class and loyalty of his friends and crew. This of course has to be initiated by his former buddy as to not create a moral guilt.
While I do agree mostly with your reading from the in universe logic (especially that what he did academically was meh). Though it remains that there is a clear valuation of what work is good and which isn’t. Some aspect of that is monetary valuation, the liberal leftist speech in regard to not wanting to work for the military is sadly not enough to breach it - as it is linked to the general anti war sentiment of the liberal’s in relation to Vietnam and thus not honest, as we could see 4 years later after 9/11).
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IDK the details but I miss the fuck out of hir. Hir content helped me support my son’s transition more than anybody else, and the Internet’s just a little dimmer without hir presence.
Killed by capitalism
are there any trigger warnings I should know about? stone butch blues got intense and I never finished. I will read it I just gotta be in the right headspace for certain topics.
Beyond pink or blue is not a novel it’s more of like a theoretical exploration and journey of what transness means.
I can’t remember ATM but most likely mentioning some violence perpetrated towards trans people, but not narratively.
alright that sounds good to me!
Would it be helpful for me to reread it and tag each chapter with some potentially relevant content warnings?
that is sooooo sweet, but it seems like such a big ask! I think ill be ok since it sounds more like dry theory rather than a heart wrenching novel. youre a gem comrade!
While I do agree with faer, there are a couple of CWs. It is about history of marginalized after all, so from what I remember there is some police brutality, some societal repression, some mentions of violence, some terms like deviant and worse are used, some words have outdated meanings (today other phrases would be used, but those were often only developed afterwards).
https://hexbear.net/comment/3878643 seems to be happy to give specific ones. The main frame is that of speeches given by Leslie. Over all what did affect me personally was more the acquainting myself with what is described and contrasting or complementing it with my lived experiences.
i forgot to respond to you so sorry! i started reading it and im doing fine! thank you so much for the heads up!
Good shit then… good shit now.
Shout out to the user who recorded the audiobook. Did a pretty good job.
Uphold TC69 Thought forever.
That post made me engage with Feinberg and that book, and I actually read it and posted a little comment/review of it later as TC69 had asked. I was cis but already opening up and questioning a little back then, but that book genuinely helped me a lot, and look at me now.
