Star Wars fans really aren’t the brightest…

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    It’s unbelievable how the whole prequel trilogy was about liberal democracy being turned into a fascist empire and Star Wars fans still don’t get it.

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      I’ve seen a disproportionately high number of NATO fanboys that just straight up simp for the empire in Star Wars. Pretty sure Zelensky wore a shirt once depicting Ukrainian soldiers as storm troopers stomping on communist symbols.

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              Damn, now that you mention it, it’s not any astronaut either! It says CCCP on the helmet. That nazi t-shirt just gets worse the more you look at it

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                Yes! Not even a Russian guy specifically (which would’ve still been bad, don’t get me wrong), but a Soviet specifically who could’ve been anything (Russian, Ukrainian, Georgian, etc.). It’s a terrible shirt that you can actually buy for around 11 bucks.

            • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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              not a soldier, a civilian

              I think all or almost all cosmonauts were actually a soldiers of airforce (it’s still supercringe and on the nose for ukronazis).

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                That’s interesting. But even if most of them were soldiers, isn’t an astronaut still a “civilian” job? Either way this shirt is super cursed and the fact they didn’t even make the CCCP person a Star Wars character is just even more cringe.

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                  Later they started to send scientists and engineers but for good few years it wasn’t exactly safest job out there, and it heavily involved things airforce pilots learned, so they send soldiers. Same for USA. If you look at ISS crews, basically safest possible astronaut posting in history of space flight, still most of them were soldiers including nearly half of current crew.

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              Oh they do plenty of dominating: babushkas, old potential conscripts, socialists, minorities… it just went astray when some of them had a well armed friends with an army.

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            I guess they just took the iconography that looked the coolest rather than what was accurate to the source material.

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                That was a splinter group which opposed the pacifist Mandalore, and as far as I can tell, it’s Din Djarin on the shirt.

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                During the clone wars, death watch were separatists at first who opposed the then peaceful Mandalore government led by Satine. When Maul came and took them under their wing, they killed Vizla (the then leader of death watch) and overthrew Satine, resulting in a split.

                But yeah, they weren’t that good for most of their history iirc

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                While they were warmongering bastards, they did give zero fucks about someones race. If one took up the Mandalorian language and culture, they were considered Mandalorians. Species irrelevant.

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      the boys, starship troopers, the list goes on. even older superheroes.

      if they were capable of understanding they already would.

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    Both are fictional supervillains populating western imagination.

    (Stalin might also refer to the historic leader of the Soviet Union on whom the fictional Stalin is roughly based)

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    It’s either Star Wars or Harry Potter, every fucking time. I don’t get it. Is pop culture the only way people can understand geopolitics? Embarrassing…

    Also, I think we all have one or two traits that may be similar to others, whether they’re good or evil, doesn’t mean we’re ideologically the same. I love dogs and apparently Hitler did to, does that mean we’re on the same page?

    My point is that comparisons like this are asinine and mean absolutely nothing. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

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      There’s an argument to be made that alienation is so deeply developed in Western capitalist societies and that society has become so dystopian, that people have nothing in reality to identify with. As a result, they identify with the realities presented by their entertainment, i.e. the fantastical worlds they use to escape reality. Be it written fiction, films and series, or even sports.

      To put it simply, most Westerners suffering under late stage capitalism, will spend most of their free time escaping reality instead of interacting with each other or the world at large, and the purpose of work, aside from survival, becomes gaining the funds to find new ways to escape.

      That, combined with incessant propaganda, cultivated pessimism (widespread political corruption, the daily grind, etc), lack of time to self-educate, and cognitive dissonance (the country I live in and have been taught to be loyal to, can not possibly be that bad) creates a situation where a person’s lens of looking at reality is no longer based on reality. Instead, their escapism is used to explain the world around them.

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        You can see this when another nation, like Iran, has national heroes that are actual living, breathing people. Westerners get all freaked out by it and call it a “cult of personality” or whatever, because they legitimately cannot imagine having reverence and respect for the accomplishments of a human being, only fictional characters.

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      Tbf Star Wars can be an actually good allegory considering the inspirations and story it’s supposed to represent, it’s just that libs completely miss the point of it.

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      There’s a name for that, “leading question” I think would be the term.

      A leading question is a question that suggests a particular answer and contains information the examiner is looking to have confirmed.

      So like, the difference between:

      “What is your favorite color?”

      And:

      “Why is your favorite color ‘hates babies’?”

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        No one in particular – I was mostly making a dumb joke about the trope of “Soviet honeypot traps” you get in so many western spy movies. Don’t know how much Stalin and the NKVD actually used that particular strategy, or if they ever really used it at all.