People also forget that the Snowden leaks revealed the NSA was conducting industrial espionage against companies in Europe and China that compete against US companies.
I believe they purchased chips from NVIDIA and AMD no? I see quite a few news stories upon a first duckduckgo but I’m not really sure what to believe on this one.
I believe the suggestion is that they then reverse-engineered them and used what they learned in violation of IP law. I don’t follow this, so I don’t know if it’s true, and I would support China doing this because fuck those companies and the US, but I believe that’s the accusation.
Yea I mean I know China has reverse engineered a lot of Soviet and Russian weapons exports but I don’t think chips and semiconductors is the same since the difficulty is in manufacturing and not what’s in it
Companies generally have to transfer IP to even operate in China which is why the stealing IP generally doesn’t even have to happen
The more I thought about it, the less it made sense; at least how it was built up in my head.
They were just purchasing the chips, and now the USA is trying to block those purchases AND encroach all around the SEA sea while positioning China as aggressors.
Do no Chinese firms have schematics for the chips to be made in Taiwan? Or will this just force China to design their own based on the current top-of-the-line?
I’m not against it, I’m merely posturing questions to learn.
First you need the lithography machines (ASML). Then you need the process development (TSMC, Samsung, Intel). Then you need the EDA tools (Synopsys, Cadence).
SMEE announced a 28nm-capable lithography machine, SMIC has a gimped 7nm process, and Huawei has EDA tools capable down to 14nm.
However, necessity is the mother of invention. I’m expecting the next few years to see an explosion in specialized hardware coming out of Chinese companies.
I have not seen a single credible source that China stole technology for microchips
If you’re talking about that singular dude who stole from ASML then that’s just a dude
A dude that rocks, might I add
People also forget that the Snowden leaks revealed the NSA was conducting industrial espionage against companies in Europe and China that compete against US companies.
China accused them of the same thing recently: https://hexbear.net/comment/3707564
I believe they purchased chips from NVIDIA and AMD no? I see quite a few news stories upon a first duckduckgo but I’m not really sure what to believe on this one.
Anybody can buy chips from NVIDIA and AMD, I’m not sure I follow
I believe the suggestion is that they then reverse-engineered them and used what they learned in violation of IP law. I don’t follow this, so I don’t know if it’s true, and I would support China doing this because fuck those companies and the US, but I believe that’s the accusation.
Yea I mean I know China has reverse engineered a lot of Soviet and Russian weapons exports but I don’t think chips and semiconductors is the same since the difficulty is in manufacturing and not what’s in it
Companies generally have to transfer IP to even operate in China which is why the stealing IP generally doesn’t even have to happen
Thanks, this finally makes me gets what they’re actually saying with that stupid “China is stealing IP” mouth fart.
The more I thought about it, the less it made sense; at least how it was built up in my head.
They were just purchasing the chips, and now the USA is trying to block those purchases AND encroach all around the SEA sea while positioning China as aggressors.
Do no Chinese firms have schematics for the chips to be made in Taiwan? Or will this just force China to design their own based on the current top-of-the-line?
I’m not against it, I’m merely posturing questions to learn.
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Semiconductors are hard.
First you need the lithography machines (ASML). Then you need the process development (TSMC, Samsung, Intel). Then you need the EDA tools (Synopsys, Cadence).
SMEE announced a 28nm-capable lithography machine, SMIC has a gimped 7nm process, and Huawei has EDA tools capable down to 14nm.
However, necessity is the mother of invention. I’m expecting the next few years to see an explosion in specialized hardware coming out of Chinese companies.