• StellarTabi [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    The labor theory of value is the core Marxist economic principle, and it is incorrect.

    This is probably a really dumb rhetoric (I’ve seen it a lot), but I’d to see a good explanation of how dumb it is. Is it like “Newtonian physics doesn’t explain black holes, therefore gravity DNE” or is it something else?

    • StellarTabi [none/use name]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      To take a step back, the user claims Marx was wrong about some details, but I’m presuming they’re not saying it for no reason, the unstated and implied conclusion is probably something like “therefore, we shouldn’t try socialism”.

      At least I’m trying to follow the logic of if Marx was wrong about X, Y, Z, then [conclusion], but there’s only the claim that he was wrong about some random things as if anyone gives a shit if Marx was wrong about some obscure economics detail 100 years ago.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        The empirical grounding for the labor theory of value has been conclusively proven since at least 1998 thanks to statistical work from Anwar Shaikh and Eduardo M. Ochoa using US input output data

        To be honest you don’t even have to go that far, these libs literally don’t know the difference between use value and exchange value, or embodied labor and concrete labor

  • PKMKII [none/use name]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    Show me a political economy ideology without a genocide or two on its hands, and I’ll show you one that’s only existed on paper.

    Also, it’s ironic that they’re complaining about Marxists using “but, but, America!” arguments when nearly any story about bad shit happening in America will have some lib in the comments saying “just imagine how much worse this would be if it was happening in China!” even though the story has nothing to do with China.

    • GenderIsOpSec [she/her]@hexbear.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Look, pal! I have my understanding of how the world works, and it’s different from yours!! That means I’m right even if the facts don’t agree with me!!! NO SHUT UP TANKIES IM NOT LISTENING LALALALALALALA 🌽

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    To implement public housing and good working conditions and women’s rights and free child care and good bus systems and gay discos and not having everything destroyed by capitalism it is first necessary to murderer 69 billion people. I am very smart and i understand economics.

  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    Bloodshed and subjugation. Every. Single. Time.

    Right, the moment porky-scared-flipped hears that someone wants fair compensation for their natural resources and labor without being exploited (and god help you if you say ‘l*nd reform’)