This is probably the thing people understand the least about the left lane, and I bet this guy is one of em.
It doesn’t matter what speed you are passing, as long as you are passing (and of course if you are barely passing youre a dick).
But not because im passing 10km/h faster and you want to pass 30km/h faster, that I need to move out of the way. Flashing your lights and putting your blinker only makes me want to pass slower. The left lane is not reserved for the fastest driver on the road.
Yes, passing lane – not fast lane.
If someone starts aggressively flashing their lights behind me I like to assume they are trying to alert me that I’m driving too fast and should slow down immediately lol
I assume they’re having an emergency. Or they’re a raging asshole. In either case it’s not a great idea to play games with them. If you ever fuck around and find out I hope you’ll come tell us about it so I can gloat.
I sometimes wonder who died and made them all highway patrol. I just want to get home safe, can people just not fucking ego trip behind the wheel of the 2 ton deathmobile?
Frankly it’s harder than you think for many, the only thing that calms me down and makes me drive absolutely great is weed but I hesitate to drive mildly high too often to not get caught randomly by some pig.
Also it seems like the more time I am driving the more bmw drivers and bmw drivers without bmw piss me off.
makes me drive absolutely great is weed
Hi, I’m an enthusiast.
Fuck you for smoking and driving.
You cannot justify it to me no matter how many times you rephrase “it helps me chill Bro”
What do you mean you are an enthusiast though. Are you my fan? Please tell me you are my fan it would be so cool
Holy shit please do not smoke and drive.
Can’t give any promises 😈
Left is for passing, if you’re just driving then you’re in the right lane until you come up on someone to pass
If they’re blocking you then why don’t you just pass them on the right?
illegal
Speeding is “illegal” too, so that’s not really much of an argument.
Left lane is for overtaking. End of story
If you finished overtaking you go back to middle or right depending on the circumstances.
Don’t be a middle lane driver, always go to the most right lane possible.
The middle lane is also just for overtaking. The left lane is to overtake someone that is overtaking someone.
No. Just no. The middle lane is the lane to use for your trip. The right lane is for allowing people on and off. If everyone is in the right lane, entering and exiting is painful or dangerous.
The law literally says you should always use the rightmost lane. At least that’s the case in Europe.
If everyone is in the right lane, entering and exiting is painful or dangerous.
Do you even have a drivers license? Entering and exiting is what entrance and exit lanes are for. There is nothing painful or dangerous about it.
You, sir, have clearly never driven a car in your life if you think there is nothing painful or dangerous about entrance and exits. The idea is simple, the execution by about 80% of existing drivers is just dreadful. Both the ones using them and the people who refuse to acknowledge that someone is using them.
I drive like a German: I only go on the left lane of a highway if I am passing someone.
Remember not to indicate if you’re over the age of 65, on a tractor, or driving a beamer
If someone comes up behind you, you should move to the right, even if there is a car to your right. You should just push them over to make way for the more important people who are speeding because they have important things to do and most get where they’re going 15 seconds faster by speeding.
Yes. If these two things are true: 1. A car is stuck behind you. 2. There is no car to your immediate right. Then you should move over. You should obviously not merge into a car, you would use your turn signal and then change lanes like a normal person.
This is because you are not so important that you get to break a common state law in order to inconvenience hundreds of other drivers on the road, because you don’t like that they want to break a different law that doesn’t inconvenience other drivers.
I’d say allowing other drivers to drive dangerously does cause inconvenience to others.
What this “slow driver” discussion leaves out is the fact that it’s the fast drivers that end up behaving dangerously and causing accidents. Fast drivers are the problem here.
That’s a very common misconception. Driving fast isn’t actually very dangerous absent outside factors like poor weather conditions, balding tires, bad brakes, aggressive driving, etc. Cars are designed to drive straight very well, and their ability to do so is unaffected by a metal sign with some paint on it beside the road they’re driving on. This is why countries like Germany with its Autobahn aren’t decimated by crashes every day.
Beyond this common sense, the data backs this up as well. Speeding is a factor in less than a third of all car crashes resulting in injury or death, and the it’s the cause of such accidents even less than that. Much bigger causes of accidents are unpredictable driving, driving too slowly for the flow of traffic, and aggressive driving (Which impeding traffic in the left lane falls under).
On top of the common sense and the crash data that backs this up, I also worked in EMS for over a decade and in my personal experience, the vast majority of incidents I’ve been involved in were due to somebody turning into traffic and failing to get up to speed, driving too slowly for the lane they’re in, or slamming on their brakes at a yellow light. In 10 years I’d seen 2 fatalities due to speeding, and that was on a residential road, the car involved was a rear wheel drive muscle car they accelerated too fast in without the experience to handle it. The overwhelming majority were caused by “defensive drivers” who made poor “defensive” decisions that other drivers couldn’t predict, or people becoming road hazards in order to self police the roadways.
According to Der Spiegel, German motorways that don’t have speed limits feature 17% more crashes leading to severe injury and 76% more crashes leading to death.
That’s despite the fact those sections have a lot of measures undertaken to additionally improve road safety.
According to the European Traffic safety Council, German roadways have a fatality rate of only 4.2 people per billion kilometers.
This is roughly half the rate of the US, which is 8.3
German motorways are much safer than the US, despite their high speeds. The reason a higher rate of accidents are caused by speeding in Germany compared to the U.S. is because their standards for driver training and licensure are much stricter than in the U.S. You actually have to attend a driving school and pass exams to become a licensed driver in Germany, unlike the almost total absence of driver education required in the US. They simply don’t have the issue of unpredictable ignorant drivers, or slow lane campers in Germany the way we do here. They successfully mitigated the risk of dangerous traffic flow impeding drivers like yourself, leaving high speeds as one of the only factors left when it comes to accidents. The high speed driver looks like “the problem” in Germany because the much bigger problem driver, including the lane campers, simply don’t qualify for drivers licenses there and are kept off the road entirely. A good problem to have, and one we should implement here in order to save lives.
It is true that Germany has lower fatality rate on the roads, and it is true that it is due to the various policies they implement, including stricter licensing. Speeding is also severely punished, by the way, which is why the definition of a “slow driver” will change a lot compared to the “I don’t give a damn about rules” America. A driver following speed limits is not “slow” by any German standards.
But in no way stricter licensing and control negates the fact that fatality rates on German motorways that don’t have a speed limit are 76% higher compared to the ones that do, in the absolute very same Germany, not compared to any other country.
The safest motorways of Germany, with a great margin, are speed limited.
Speeding is not the only factor for road safety, and it’s important to address this multifaceted issue in many ways. But speed is a very, very big part of it.
the fact that fatality rates on German motorways that don’t have a speed limit are 76% higher compared to the ones that do
A very clever misrepresentation of the data, I’ll give you that. While it’s true that if you get into an accident on a non-limited section of the autobahn , your odds of the accident being more severe or even fatal are relatively higher than it being a minor accident. However what you’re very strategically leaving out is that your odds of getting into an accident in the first place are lower on non-limited sections of the Autobahn.l, with some outliers based on rarity of the various speed limits. The most common speed limit on the autobahn being 120 (substantially higher than the average speeder in the U.S.). Here’s some data from a 2022 study on the effects of speed limits and their effect on accident frequency on Autobahn. It lists several different speed limits and crash results, with the primary comparison being between 120 and none. With the other speed limits being rarer outliers.
TL;DR It’s not that severe accidents happen more often on non-limited sections of the autobahn, it’s just that the smaller amount of accidents that do happen are more likely to be severe. It’s hard to compare these results to accidents caused by traffic impedes, because as previously mentioned that’s a particular problem that Germany seems to have eliminated. An argument could be made that it’s be a prudent decision to add a 120 speed limit to the rest of the autobahn, and trade a higher accident rate for fewer fatalities, but that’s a luxury that Germany has because they’re not dealing with more dangerous behavior like in the U.S, such as uneducated, unpredictable, and slow drivers impeding the flow of traffic.
I know you want what you’re saying to be true, but you’re wasting a lot of energy that you could spend on becoming a safer driver instead. Take all this effort you’re making to find numbers that almost look like they’re supporting what you’re saying, and put it into learning about your states driving laws instead. I’ve at this point put a lot of good faith effort in educating you, but I’m not going to continue poking holes in the logic of your responses.
I’ve seen so many wrecks because of assholes trying to go 85-150 MPH on a god damn road. The comments here enforce the idea that people are just selfish, self centered motherfuckers when it comes to driving on the highway. There is a posted fucking speed LIMIT for a god damn reason. Leave earlier if you want to get to your fucking destination on time.
Is your point the speed limit signs should be followed, but the “keep right except to pass” signs are ok to ignore?
I’ve never seen one of those in my state. I DO see plenty of SPEED LIMIT 70 MPH signs though. I think the keep right is fucking stupid, because it just causes drivers to swerve in and out of traffic, which is dangerous for multiple reasons, but will also cause congestion on the on ramps on to the interstate itself. It just goes to show you how each state having it’s own laws for driving is fucking stupid also.
It is the law in all 50 states for slower traffic to keep to the right when driving on the highway, regardless of the speed limit. So you just clearly don’t know how to drive, and have never bothered to learn, or even educate yourself in your own states driving laws. Keeping right also isn’t stupid at all. A lot of people, much smarter and experienced than yourself, armed with decades of data have decided that keeping right is the safest course of action. Obstructing the flow of traffic by driving slowly in the left lane continues to be far more dangerous than speeding ever could be.
After many years in EMS I’ve seen the disastrous results of self righteous speed keepers and unpredictable drivers like yourself first hand and I really have less than zero sympathy. Stop worrying about the speed of other vehicles on the road and start worrying about your ability to drive predictably, in a way that keeps you inside the flow of traffic, in the spot you’re supposed to be.
https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/SLOWER-TRAFFIC-KEEP-RIGHT.pdf
EDIT: And for someone who was supposedly in EMS, that means you would have seen the direct consequences of what going TOO fast can do to the human bodies, and their vehicles involved. So, therefore if you were a sane individual, you would encourage people to follow the posted SPEED LIMIT. Also, I’m worried about what other drivers are fucking doing dangerously, BECAUSE I HAVE TO SHARE THE SAME FUCKING ROAD WITH THEM, YOU IDIOT.
Oh, no. you hurt my feelings by saying shit you know nothing about! I might just cry. :(
No, I learned what NOT to do from idiots who think they can safely drive over 90-100 MPH. Get the fuck over yourself, and just realize that going faster than 90 MPH DRASTICALLY increases your chances of colliding with something, someone, or LOSING CONTROL OF YOUR FUCKING VEHICLE.
seen the direct consequences of what going TOO fast can do to the human bodies, and their vehicles involved.
At highway speeds, whether you’re going 55 mph or 75 mph makes little difference to your survivability. Crashing your car at highway speeds is going to hurt. The difference is somebody who’s speeding in the left lane is a lot less likely to cause an accident than somebody going too slowly in the left lane. People like you are a much larger danger to yourself and others than somebody going over the speed limit by a marginal amount, in an appropriate lane. And the fact that we have to share a road with people like you is infuriating. In my eyes you’re no better than drunk drivers. At least they were impaired when they made the poor decision to drive drunk. You make the choice to put everyone on the road at risk fully sober, because you just don’t care.
Oh, no. you hurt my feelings by saying shit you know nothing about!
Evidently I do, since I had to send you proof of your own state’s driving laws that by your own admission you were completely unaware of and also apparently don’t mind breaking. I guess it’s not about the law for you, just control over other people.
The worst thing about scumbags like you is it’s not just simple ignorance that drives your self-centered, life threatening behavior on the road. You also just refuse to learn.
55 vs 75 no difference?
speeding cause less wrecks than driving ‘slowly’ in the left lane?
yeah, you’re the scumbag speeder who refuses to learn. not someone who passes left but isn’t going fast enough for you. you’re gonna kill someone some day. psycho.
55 vs 75 no difference?
Yeah if you think a 75mph crash will kill you but you get to walk away unharmed from a 55MPH crash, I have really bad news for you.
speeding cause less wrecks than driving ‘slowly’ in the left lane?
That is correct. Speeding is involved in a minority of accidents, and is the cause of even less. Over the course of a decade, I’ve seen two fatalities due to speeding, they didn’t harm anyone but themselves in the process, and both were on residential boulevards, not the freeway. I’ve seen far more caused by erratic unpredictable driving, driving too slow for traffic, and turning into traffic.
I’m a man who’s been fortunate enough to have saved dozens of lives that were almost ended by people like you that become road hazards on purpose, and less fortunately the witness of far more innocent people losing their lives because of drivers like yourself. People like you have caused far more injury and death than any speeders could hope to. Speeders are nothing more than a convenient scapegoat. As long as they themselves are not driving erratically or switching lanes unpredictably, they’re of minuscule concern. There are countries with freeways that have speed limits more than twice the U.S. and they do just fine.
I rarely see law enforcement go after the people driving like aggressive idiots. Always the poor Joe late for work going 5 mph over…
Drive a newer looking pickup truck. They won’t mess with you because you’re obviously “good people” if you can afford something like that. Avoid driving a clapped out Nissan, because you’re a bad person if that’s what you’re driving. You have to think like an idiot with a highschool education.
I try to drive so I am as far away from other vehicles as possible. I also try to avoid ever inconveniencing other people. It doesn’t matter if I’m going 140, if you come up behind me, I’m moving over to let you by - as quickly as I can while still being safe. I expect the same from others. Changing lanes isn’t hard, I often move over to let someone by and then go back to continue passing.
Also, please stop passing on the right. You’re just making everything worse.
140
You mean km/hr, right?
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Km/hr, right?
Meters per second
If you’re in the left lane, and there’s someone behind you but no one in front of you, move over and let them pass. Simple.
I always do unless you have those crazy fucking headlights…then not a chance
You won’t see their headlights anymore if you let them pass
We don’t negotiate with terrorists!
A lot of misunderstanding here, as should be expected, considering the topic and the reality it relates to.
Let’s put it simply: if you’re “passing” in the left lane and there’s space between the first vehicle you’re overtaking & the next one, and those also passing behind you are going faster than you prefer/are capable of? No biggie. Just say these words along with me, ok?
Get. The fuck. Over. 🤗
You can continue your Sunday afternoon cruise after the adults have left you behind.
See those lights/blinkers in your mirrors? They’re for you and because of you. Get. The fuck. Over.
And, if you feel the urge to whine about it, that’s fine too. Out of the passing lane. 🤷🏼♂️
It’s pretty simple: not the fastest vehicle in the passing lane? GTFO. You can harumph to yourself about life not being fair once you’re no longer CAUSING FUCKING TRAFFIC, chucklehead. 🤣🖕🏽
