US has 4-5x less the population of the PRC. The PRC is doing a better job, with room to improve, of feeding its citizens.
Which means, given the government’s record in improving the quality of life of China for the past 50 years, the CPC is on a trajectory of virtually solving food insecurity in China.
Now, let us be honest. All of your questions in this thread are just begging the same questions other federated instanced posters are asking:
Why don’t you share our hate for China?
Personally, hate doesn’t make me happy. I don’t hate China because if their prosperity would mean US decline, it means there’s something wrong with the economic system that treats survival in a world of post scarcity production as a zero sum game. After China is balkanized, and a decade of harvesting China and the rest of Asia occur, the US would invent new enemies and power blocs to exploit and eviscerate. An elimination of the last world powers would just reinvent the same exploitative power dynamics that the US and Europe had with the continents of South America, Africa, and Asia in the 18th and 19th centuries.
I would live in prosperity off exploiting others or in perpetual misery supporting alienated, affluent, and hollow people.
Even if that doesn’t bother you, or you don’t care about China, you should still know that the elimination of those enemies won’t result in the reintroduction of a New Deal in the 21st century. Paraphrasing from someone: You’re not going to get Star Trek, or the world of Interstellar. You’re getting Elysium and then we’re all getting extinction.
Just a life of meaninglessness under the leadership of the West.
You don’t have to praise or fawn over China but you can’t delude yourself into believing that the collapse and dissolution of America’s enemies would mean that their spoils would be shared with you. It’ll be shared among the masters, administrators, and enforcers of annihilation. And all that cheerleading, xenophobia, and chauvinism would just end up wasting your own time and your colleagues time in preventing the annihilation of meaning and solidarity between humanity.
Man, the thought terminating cliche rigging of the brains of people on these subjects is really depressing.
We make long well thought out good faith posts and get dismissed as propaganda, even though we’re just regular people with earnest opinions. Like come on, have some intellectual curiosity. Think. This isnt even a enthusiastically pro-China post. Please. If you’re going to come to our instance, please, please actually come here in good faith.
Earnest and good faith? I clicked the fucking link, there was a literal NSFW pig, shitting on its fucking testicles. Why would I listen to what they have to say after that?
99% of the post was earnest and good faith, it ended with one of our memes. Stop doing that thing libs do where they pick out one element of a post to refuse to engage with the rest of it. You’re just making excuses to not think.
Also, you’re switching lanes here anyway. You said it was propaganda. Not that you were put off by the meme at the end.
Why would I “engage in good faith in the marketplace of ideas” with authoritarian, fake communists that justify or deny brutal genocides like the Holodomor and cultural genocides of the Uyghurs? See I don’t think you’re as bad as fascists and nazis but I also find the kind of authoritarian rhetoric very scary and dangerous.
The only cultural genocide committed against the Uighurs is the one you support by believing the lies of the US and Saudi backed separatists
Uighur culture is Muslim but not traditionally super conservative; the real cultural genocide was when they banned dancing and drinking alcohol in public, not when China cracked down on the reactionary religious extremists who were oppressing Xinjiang and becoming a threat to all of China
I wish we had the power to do the same to reactionary Christians here in because re-education is the only hope for any of them
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
The real event you’re thinking of is the Bowlodomor, that was when Stalin loaded all the weed in into the bowl of his giant bong and inhaled it all in a single breath before exhaling a breath of smoke so large it covered the whole Ukrainian sky while saying “look at me, I’m the dragon of communism”
While that did cause a famine, to be fair it was really really funny
Easy to paint all Uighurs as enemies that need to be “saved” and “helped” by the “superior Han race” because some of them were extremists. You really don’t think Uighurs as a whole were persecuted? This is like justifying when America detained random Muslims because the Nation of Islam existed.
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
“denying” the “genocide” of the holodomor, or, in other words, not downplaying the actual literal Holocaust. Please, go read some serious historians and not Robert Conquest. No one who has seriously studied the issue, and actually had access to the Soviet archives thinks that it was a genocide. Take just one small fact for example: if the holodomor was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, why did more Kazakhs die during the famine? Why do they not cry “genocide” like the Ukrainian state?
Regardless, it’s responses like this that warrant the pig poop balls. No investigation, no right to speak.
What in that users post that you rejected as propaganda had anything to do with the Uighurs or Holodomor. Like, you’re wrong about those things and the facts are on our side on those issues, but I don’t even care about that. And neither do you, they’re just excuses to not engage with things intellectually for you. You dont give a fuck about Uighurs.
When they say something like “I’m not reading that propaganda!” or “Umm acktually, no u!” or “You’re being rude to me! I’m not listening to you! Waaaah!” it’s just a sign that they know they don’t actually have a counter argument anymore. They know their position is one of smug ignorance, and they’re just too pathetic to admit they might be wrong about something.
I’m saying your China hate isn’t going to make you happy or wealthy. No one on Hexbear here hates China with you, and you just come off as a nihlistic anti-intellectual loser.
You’re probably a troll, but it still bears worth typing out why I - and others who share my view or are malleable to it - don’t waste our time scapegoating a country for a decline in quality of life here in the West.
You’re smelly. You have poop running down your pants and piss making squishy sounds on your shoes. I, and all humanity, cringe at you.
That’s really rude, you asked a question, someone gave you an answer, and then you dismiss the answer as propaganda without reading it because it’s difficult to read. This isn’t what Bernie would do.
10% or in other words china is currently 4x better at feeding the hungry than the US is. 10% of 300+million is also around 30+million, so a comparable number but just out of an incomparably smaller population.
So you, following the advice of people who cannot get hunger below 10%, in a country with enough food waste to solve the problem, think that people on the other side of the world, whose hunger problem is only a quarter of your neighbors, should fix their hunger by growing LESS FOOD in favor of cash crops? Is that correct?
It does because you’re claiming that the system that America is the best example of: letting the free market run food security, is superior to what China is doing. This is an incorrect statement as proven by statistics.
It does because you’re claiming that the system that America is the best example of: letting the free market run food security
Putting words in my mouth.
Also you used a different metric from the metric I used. China and America have the exact same (2.5%) hunger rate using the same source. Typical Hexbear lying.
You’re using a different source than I used. Look at the US hunger rate under the same definition as the China hunger rate. Different sources have looser ways of defining hunger.
You’re being facetious: How do you expect underpaid, overworked farmers to turn a profit and provide for their families if you’re making them grow a bunch of dirt cheap rice?
There is no other way to interpret this comment other than demanding the farmer(s) sell the product of their choice at the market, favoring the individual over the collective here.
China and America have the exact same (2.5%) hunger rate using the same source.
Because the PRC is still a developing country, and their hunter rate was much worse in the past, that means (pretending your lies and misdirection are real) they are improving to close the gap and ensure food security.
Again, all of your posts boil down to:
: NOOO YOU HAVE TO HATE CHINA!! SEESEEPEE BOTS NOOOO!! STOP GIVING ME COUNTERARGUMENTS!! NOOO!! HATE CHINA WITH ME!! NO!!!
There is no other way to interpret this comment other than demanding the farmer(s) sell the product of their choice at the market, favoring the individual over the collective here.
The government could make them grow green rice but give them extra money to make up for it. Farmers deserve fair pay. Of course, the millionaires and billionaires of the CCP wouldn’t want that.
Ok but why are you so angry about people so far away from you when your neighbors are suffering more (at the hands of the people telling us what it’s like 'over there’s)
Nah it’s pointing out how the approach you suggest (let the free market decide what’s profitable to grow for food security) is inferior to what China is doing.
Give me a break. Stop lying. 35 million Chinese go hungry.
Similar amount go hungry in the US
US has 4-5x less the population of the PRC. The PRC is doing a better job, with room to improve, of feeding its citizens.
Which means, given the government’s record in improving the quality of life of China for the past 50 years, the CPC is on a trajectory of virtually solving food insecurity in China.
Now, let us be honest. All of your questions in this thread are just begging the same questions other federated instanced posters are asking:
Why don’t you share our hate for China?
Personally, hate doesn’t make me happy. I don’t hate China because if their prosperity would mean US decline, it means there’s something wrong with the economic system that treats survival in a world of post scarcity production as a zero sum game. After China is balkanized, and a decade of harvesting China and the rest of Asia occur, the US would invent new enemies and power blocs to exploit and eviscerate. An elimination of the last world powers would just reinvent the same exploitative power dynamics that the US and Europe had with the continents of South America, Africa, and Asia in the 18th and 19th centuries.
I would live in prosperity off exploiting others or in perpetual misery supporting alienated, affluent, and hollow people.
Even if that doesn’t bother you, or you don’t care about China, you should still know that the elimination of those enemies won’t result in the reintroduction of a New Deal in the 21st century. Paraphrasing from someone: You’re not going to get Star Trek, or the world of Interstellar. You’re getting Elysium and then we’re all getting extinction.
Just a life of meaninglessness under the leadership of the West.
You don’t have to praise or fawn over China but you can’t delude yourself into believing that the collapse and dissolution of America’s enemies would mean that their spoils would be shared with you. It’ll be shared among the masters, administrators, and enforcers of annihilation. And all that cheerleading, xenophobia, and chauvinism would just end up wasting your own time and your colleagues time in preventing the annihilation of meaning and solidarity between humanity.
This infographic would explain my point better
Aint reading allat propaganda 🤣🤣
Man, the thought terminating cliche rigging of the brains of people on these subjects is really depressing.
We make long well thought out good faith posts and get dismissed as propaganda, even though we’re just regular people with earnest opinions. Like come on, have some intellectual curiosity. Think. This isnt even a enthusiastically pro-China post. Please. If you’re going to come to our instance, please, please actually come here in good faith.
Earnest and good faith? I clicked the fucking link, there was a literal NSFW pig, shitting on its fucking testicles. Why would I listen to what they have to say after that?
99% of the post was earnest and good faith, it ended with one of our memes. Stop doing that thing libs do where they pick out one element of a post to refuse to engage with the rest of it. You’re just making excuses to not think.
Also, you’re switching lanes here anyway. You said it was propaganda. Not that you were put off by the meme at the end.
Why would I “engage in good faith in the marketplace of ideas” with authoritarian, fake communists that justify or deny brutal genocides like the Holodomor and cultural genocides of the Uyghurs? See I don’t think you’re as bad as fascists and nazis but I also find the kind of authoritarian rhetoric very scary and dangerous.
The only cultural genocide committed against the Uighurs is the one you support by believing the lies of the US and Saudi backed separatists
Uighur culture is Muslim but not traditionally super conservative; the real cultural genocide was when they banned dancing and drinking alcohol in public, not when China cracked down on the reactionary religious extremists who were oppressing Xinjiang and becoming a threat to all of China
I wish we had the power to do the same to reactionary Christians here in
because re-education is the only hope for any of them
The holodomor is a lie propagated by literal nazis to downplay the actual genocide of the Holocaust and you are committing Holocaust denial every time you call it genocide
The real event you’re thinking of is the Bowlodomor, that was when Stalin loaded all the weed in
into the bowl of his giant bong and inhaled it all in a single breath before exhaling a breath of smoke so large it covered the whole Ukrainian sky while saying “look at me, I’m the dragon of communism”
While that did cause a famine, to be fair it was really really funny
Easy to paint all Uighurs as enemies that need to be “saved” and “helped” by the “superior Han race” because some of them were extremists. You really don’t think Uighurs as a whole were persecuted? This is like justifying when America detained random Muslims because the Nation of Islam existed.
Tf? Two things can be genocides you know.
“denying” the “genocide” of the holodomor, or, in other words, not downplaying the actual literal Holocaust. Please, go read some serious historians and not Robert Conquest. No one who has seriously studied the issue, and actually had access to the Soviet archives thinks that it was a genocide. Take just one small fact for example: if the holodomor was a targeted genocide of Ukrainians, why did more Kazakhs die during the famine? Why do they not cry “genocide” like the Ukrainian state?
Regardless, it’s responses like this that warrant the pig poop balls. No investigation, no right to speak.
That’s a good point-- I’m sure it’s overlooked that Stalin was committing genocide on Muslims even moreso than Ukrainians!
FYI I like Lenin just not authoritarian capitalist Stalin that caused the decline of Soviet communism.
What in that users post that you rejected as propaganda had anything to do with the Uighurs or Holodomor. Like, you’re wrong about those things and the facts are on our side on those issues, but I don’t even care about that. And neither do you, they’re just excuses to not engage with things intellectually for you. You dont give a fuck about Uighurs.
LMAO banger site tagline, Bernie would be proud of your contribution.
When they say something like “I’m not reading that propaganda!” or “Umm acktually, no u!” or “You’re being rude to me! I’m not listening to you! Waaaah!” it’s just a sign that they know they don’t actually have a counter argument anymore. They know their position is one of smug ignorance, and they’re just too pathetic to admit they might be wrong about something.
@Bernie2028@midwest.social
I’m saying your China hate isn’t going to make you happy or wealthy. No one on Hexbear here hates China with you, and you just come off as a nihlistic anti-intellectual loser.
You’re probably a troll, but it still bears worth typing out why I - and others who share my view or are malleable to it - don’t waste our time scapegoating a country for a decline in quality of life here in the West.
You’re smelly. You have poop running down your pants and piss making squishy sounds on your shoes. I, and all humanity, cringe at you.
That’s really rude, you asked a question, someone gave you an answer, and then you dismiss the answer as propaganda without reading it because it’s difficult to read. This isn’t what Bernie would do.
Reading?!
Yet you’ve spent hours posting bs in this thread. Go read a real book or something you milquetoast social democrat.
Incredible work
Lmfao
Cool then shut up
maybe this is why they’re focusing on growing food crops
2.5% is the hunger rate of China according to your source. So I decided to look up the US and see how it compares. https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance/
10% or in other words china is currently 4x better at feeding the hungry than the US is. 10% of 300+million is also around 30+million, so a comparable number but just out of an incomparably smaller population.
So you, following the advice of people who cannot get hunger below 10%, in a country with enough food waste to solve the problem, think that people on the other side of the world, whose hunger problem is only a quarter of your neighbors, should fix their hunger by growing LESS FOOD in favor of cash crops? Is that correct?
If I’m misrepresenting you please let me know
Whataboutism.
That isnt whataboutism, it is a comparison.
An unnecessary comparison. I’m talking about 1 in 40 Chinese people facing hunger, this has absolutely nothing to do with America.
It does because you’re claiming that the system that America is the best example of: letting the free market run food security, is superior to what China is doing. This is an incorrect statement as proven by statistics.
Putting words in my mouth.
Also you used a different metric from the metric I used. China and America have the exact same (2.5%) hunger rate using the same source. Typical Hexbear lying.
What is this, if not support for a more laissez faire approach?
What is (33 million divided by 330 million) multiplied by 100?
You’re using a different source than I used. Look at the US hunger rate under the same definition as the China hunger rate. Different sources have looser ways of defining hunger.
You’re being facetious: How do you expect underpaid, overworked farmers to turn a profit and provide for their families if you’re making them grow a bunch of dirt cheap rice?
There is no other way to interpret this comment other than demanding the farmer(s) sell the product of their choice at the market, favoring the individual over the collective here.
Because the PRC is still a developing country, and their hunter rate was much worse in the past, that means (pretending your lies and misdirection are real) they are improving to close the gap and ensure food security.
Again, all of your posts boil down to:
The government could make them grow green rice but give them extra money to make up for it. Farmers deserve fair pay. Of course, the millionaires and billionaires of the CCP wouldn’t want that.
That is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve heard in my life.
Ok but why are you so angry about people so far away from you when your neighbors are suffering more (at the hands of the people telling us what it’s like 'over there’s)
Nah it’s pointing out how the approach you suggest (let the free market decide what’s profitable to grow for food security) is inferior to what China is doing.
China, state whose economic decision you disagree with, hunger rate of 2.50% in a country of 1 billion people.
America, state whose free market approach to food security you generally agree with, hunger rate of 10% in a country with 1/3 the population.