• happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    It’s so goofy ass that NATO thinks they could train an army on peer-to-peer war, something not seen by a NATO power since the Korean War. The US can’t even beat an infinitely weaker enemy with complete control of the skies and drones piloted from the safety of Arizona, but they’re the white saviours who are going to teach the Ukrainians how to use a gun.

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        Even then it’s so fundamentally absurd. The last time the enemy of a NATO power had a functioning plane was Vietnam and they’re trying to explain how to fight against an enemy that more or less has air superiority. The only countries that should be advising them are Iraq and Afghanistan, and even then those militias seem quaint in the new era of small drones. What is a western veteran of those wars going to explain to them other than how to find the Burger King on base?

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          I think that’s exactly what is going to happen. We keep seeing articles like this always phrasing it as the “ungrateful Ukrainians dismissing superior NATO tactics” rather than admitting they have no clue what they’re doing. Losing this war will be blamed 100% on Ukraine, they won’t ever admit that their tactics were involved in the loss.

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            Ukrainians when the calipers are used on the Russians pigmask-off

            Ukrainians when the calipers are turned back on themselves pigmask

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            I expect so as well, the impetus will be to spin this as all being the fault of Ukraine and to deflect blame from NATO, which means no actual lessons will be learned from any of this.

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    they sometimes find more help on YouTube

    “Best ways to survive heavy artillery fire???”

    *plays unskippable 30 seconds advertisement

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      Hey guys thank you for coming to my channel. Let me first just say that if you’re after security from artillery fire you probably also need to be protected by WireShark.

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      🔍 Artillery survive how

      Top 10 artillery shells the 5th one will SHOCK you * clickbait thumnail with red arrow and shocked face

      A DEPLETED URANIUM shell fell on their CAMP, you’ll never guess WHAT happened next! * Venom CGI on the tumnail for some reason

      Try not to get bombed challenge 100% impossible (gone sexual)

      I CALLED the ENNEMY top GENERAL at 4AM (bad idea)

      I survived 100 days in the trenches

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        |These MASSIVE shells will DESTROY YOU thumbnail of very large breasts on a battlefield background

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    When faced with an emergency, they sometimes find more help on YouTube.

    Imagine being the largest military alliance in the world and the soldiers you trained find fucking YouTube tutorials more useful than your training.

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      Onetime, I asked a sargent what we were supposed to do if we were hit with a chemical weapon and had drained our canteens before we could get cleaned up. Specifically, how do we get the potable water out of the 5 gallon jerry cans into our canteens without killing ourselves seeing as how, we’re out in the desert and all.

      They didn’t have an answer and were a bit upset that I even asked.

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        I’ve long been the opinion that colleges award you a certificate which is further and further removed from actually understanding anything and it’d still be shocking to me if the rot has set in so much that it applies to soldiers

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          Kinda makes sense though.

          A lot of the “professional soldiers” are either kids trying to get some college money/first job or serving some required term. Nobody really gives a shit about soldiering, they’re just there until they can move on to something else.

          And the officers I had been around seemed more interested in paper pushing projects than battlefield readiness.

          I was in heavy mechanized units and 99% of my time was spent turning a wrench on ancient vehicles (I was not a mechanic) or cleaning up oil/fuel spills. We didn’t “train” for shit.

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      Circa 2014 I found one of those crazy chud American doomsday preppers on YouTube that had somehow managed to make a ghillie suit which was invisible to thermal optics. I think he was planning to fight Obama/the land management authorities if they did something to his ranch? So maybe stuff like that.

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        I was thinking more “how to make decent trenches” or “how to avoid getting hit by artillery”, or even stuff like “camouflage considerations against IR equipped opfor”. Maybe quite a few videos for trying to figure out what random shit in their nato vehicles do so they don’t do something silly like accidentally turn on the heater when you meant to disable the weapons safety feature.

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      Survivalist videos? How to avoid hypothermia/how to reduce your heat footprint to escape thermals/ how to clean and maintain your guns (many military weapons have identical civilian counterparts minus full auto), how to clean water in emergencies, how to identify edible plants/mushrooms.

      Basic battlefield and squad tactics. How to make booby traps, tripwires, and traps. How to organize squads and advance/retreat.

      Ironically the US military has some very good videos on YouTube for how to advance a squad, lay down covering fire, set up ambushes, effectively use different squad roles, and how to coordinate air and artillery forces. I’m sure there are plenty such videos for a wide range of topics.

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        Ironically the US military has some very good videos on YouTube for how to advance a squad, lay down covering fire, set up ambushes, effectively use different squad roles, and how to coordinate air and artillery forces. I’m sure there are plenty such videos for a wide range of topics

        Oh I’m well aware of the official stuff and even the stuff made by non-professional veterans doing their civil war 2 larping, I’m curious about what specifics do the guys over in Ukraine are looking up since it would serve as a good barometer of what actually works in field conditions vs what works in theory. But that’d require me to dive into the Ukraine war pigs side of the internet and I don’t want to inflict psychic damage on myself lmao.

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    find more help on YouTube

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    Of course they don’t. NATO was never planning on fighting in an actual war with an enemy that can fight back.

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      I just don’t think that’s true, considering the history. I think it’s just all their plans are, at best, for fighting 80s soviet russia and haven’t been updated since

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        NATO plans against USSR were mostly about nuking everything that moved and bombing whatever still moved after. There wasn’t really much direct fighting involved.

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          Instructor: …and then you use your balistic Nuclear Weapons to strike first. Soldier: But We gave them up in the 1990s.