I agree with you, and I appreciate the links, but I will say that this isn’t common knowledge. The prevailing narrative is something along the lines of Russia invading Ukraine in 2022 for conquest and the US + allies intervening to save democracy. Tons of people will dismiss you if you point out western involvement prior to 2022 (not on lemmygrad tho).
This seems like a bit of a strawman, tbh. It’s true that the average person in the street in the U.S. may think that the war started last year, but certainly doesn’t square with what the mainstream media have been generally reporting over the last ten years.
No it doesn’t match our own reporting, but people really, truly believe this anyway. Go on any other Lemmy instance and talk about the 2014 Ukraine coup, Ukrainian Nazis, or Russian diplomacy and see how quickly you get dogpiled/banned. I can attest that it’s similar in real life in the US, albeit people are more polite when they’re face to face.
We’re going to have to do a media analysis to retort, but the evidence is clear - if you talk about 2014 then all social media platforms immediately respond en masse with “that’s Putinist propaganda”. If the MSM had truly been pushing this larger historical context, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
If the "
evidence is clear", can you show me an example? You’re not the first person to say this, but no one yet has actually provided a citation or source to demonstrate what you’re talking about.
I have been following the conflict fairly closely across many different sources, and it certainly hasn’t seemed controversial to say that the conflict began in 2014 instead of 2022.
That’s what I am saying. We need to do an analysis to find the evidence. It’s primarily been a social media experience. There’s a lot of places talking about the real context in the media, but clearly there’s a dominant narrative on social media coming from somewhere.
But in fairness, this was run of the mill news that was mainly just reporting the facts and it got completely memory-holed and overwritten with the crazy slavering warmongering shit we’ve gotten all over the western media since last year. Nobody is able to remember the origins of the war. Some people still deny Ukraine’s Nazi revival.
P.S. Here you go:
I agree with you, and I appreciate the links, but I will say that this isn’t common knowledge. The prevailing narrative is something along the lines of Russia invading Ukraine in 2022 for conquest and the US + allies intervening to save democracy. Tons of people will dismiss you if you point out western involvement prior to 2022 (not on lemmygrad tho).
This seems like a bit of a strawman, tbh. It’s true that the average person in the street in the U.S. may think that the war started last year, but certainly doesn’t square with what the mainstream media have been generally reporting over the last ten years.
No it doesn’t match our own reporting, but people really, truly believe this anyway. Go on any other Lemmy instance and talk about the 2014 Ukraine coup, Ukrainian Nazis, or Russian diplomacy and see how quickly you get dogpiled/banned. I can attest that it’s similar in real life in the US, albeit people are more polite when they’re face to face.
We’re going to have to do a media analysis to retort, but the evidence is clear - if you talk about 2014 then all social media platforms immediately respond en masse with “that’s Putinist propaganda”. If the MSM had truly been pushing this larger historical context, we wouldn’t be in this situation.
If the " evidence is clear", can you show me an example? You’re not the first person to say this, but no one yet has actually provided a citation or source to demonstrate what you’re talking about.
I have been following the conflict fairly closely across many different sources, and it certainly hasn’t seemed controversial to say that the conflict began in 2014 instead of 2022.
That’s what I am saying. We need to do an analysis to find the evidence. It’s primarily been a social media experience. There’s a lot of places talking about the real context in the media, but clearly there’s a dominant narrative on social media coming from somewhere.
You honestly never heard the expression “unprovoked invasion” in the mainstream media?
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Also good examples:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger
But in fairness, this was run of the mill news that was mainly just reporting the facts and it got completely memory-holed and overwritten with the crazy slavering warmongering shit we’ve gotten all over the western media since last year. Nobody is able to remember the origins of the war. Some people still deny Ukraine’s Nazi revival.