Read the comments in the chains that are beneath it. https://old.reddit.com/comments/13ylk42/comment/jmnp04a
My participation will be low here for the time being, but this is something that affects all. Brace yourselves.
Additional information that borderline fascistic instances like sopuli.xyz already exist (Finland NATO supporter), and lemmy.one (PrivacyGuides admin) is run by a US/Canada nationalist that defederated Lemmygrad day 1 and calls people here liberals.
I’m not worried.
We don’t have aspirations at lemmygrad to become the biggest or most active instance. We’re happy to have a space where we can be with each other. If we wanted to be big we wouldn’t be running a communist instance. In fact, we get a lot of new account requests, but we deny a lot of them for being ultras or anarchists (some we let through if they seem good).
Those new arrivals don’t understand the nature of federation and the nature of open source software. Like others have said, they want reddit just on a different domain name. Then let them have their Reddit, I’d rather they confine themselves to a single space than spread all over the fediverse.
Frankly Lemmygrad can survive without federation, what’s important is that Lemmy is the most advanced open source software to run a link aggregator, no other project comes close. Someone in the reddit thread was saying that because of the devs’ political leanings, the project would never grow and this is exactly the type of elitism reddit produces. This person discovered Lemmy yesterday, but has very strong opinions on it and apparently understands the ins and outs of the project. Meanwhile the Lemmy project keeps growing and is the most robust and popular open source alternative to Reddit. But we’re sorry our volunteer developers are not slaving away hard enough to produce your toys, great Redditor 🙏
Anyone can use lemmy, and what we should start thinking about is when the fascists will start opening their instances. There is no way you can prevent that at a fundamental code level; lemmy cannot stop anyone from opening their instance. All you can do is defederate from them. The fascists are probably not going to start opening their instances because of said politics from the devs though, so once again tankies are saving libs from fascism and get ostracized for it lol. They’ve had 4 years to try and coopt this project and they haven’t done it.
There is no way we will defederate from Lemmy.ml or that Lemmy.ml will defederate from us. People can clamor for it all they want, it’s never gonna happen. If they’re not happy on lemmy.ml then they can join one of many dead liberal instances that keep popping up because they want to be administrators of their own space rather than work with others.
We’ve handled an “exodus” before (they go back to Reddit in the end no matter how much they criticise it), we’ve handled trolls, we’ve handled DDoS attacks, they can’t bring anything we haven’t seen before.
I completely agree that this is most likely a temporary phenomenon, and once things come down in a few weeks a lot of these liberals will stop engaging.
One point I’d like to add is that we should actively participate on lemmy.ml to prevent libs from taking over. The way I look at it is that Lemmygrad is an instance where communists can talk to each other, and lemmy.ml is a place where we can educate people and counter liberal propaganda. It’s also valuable for us to see the arguments libs make and how to counter these effectively in a forum that’s not fundamentally biased against us.
Agreed, someone merely mentioning they liked a community here started to get a mini brigade (post got 4 quick downs, I’m honestly surprised it recovered and came out positive). Deleted reply was something like “Tankies and communists are cringe”. Oh noes, M-Ls on a .ml domain?! How long until they notice the admin’s Che profile pictures haha.
On one hand, a little co-ordination can go a long way against votebombing. On the other, I don’t want to encourage straight-up brigading.
It’s quite a culture shock for lost redditors on Lemmy. They’re so used to their views being mainstream and basically unquestioned. All a sudden they’re not the absolute majority, and it drives them nuts. I’d advocate to just engage politiely without downvotes first, but if they brigade then we can respond in kind.
Most of these “Reddit refugees” will go back whence they came once they start missing having corporate propaganda shoved down their throats 24/7 I would assume.
Which makes the whole “spirit of starting something new” over there very funny - because you know they’ll just crawl back to Reddit at some point anyways. Libs don’t have a very long attention span
Without corporations telling them what to think they’d have to develop thoughts of their own, and that’s very much at odds with being a liberal.
I like the idea behind Lemmy. But before the front-page was taken over by reddit-bad posts, you could see that the flagship instance lemmy.ml is largely used for pro-russian propaganda. And the main developers who also run the instance seems to be very OK with that. I honestly would have issues working with such a person.
from my experience, the tankies are (mostly) coming from @lemmygard.ml, not lemmy.ml.
not everyone’s cup of tea.
Beehaw excludes that instance and has strong moderation for safe spaces. it’s a lovely space. Lemmy.ml is more open, but is not as tolerant to assholery as lemmygrad.ml. and times are… fluid at the moment, so nothing now is how it will be in a day or a week or a month.
Stay tuned, and best wishes
I appreciate the irony of coming into a lemmygrad community to complain about tankies and say lemmygrad.ml is “tolerant to assholery”.
I’m sure you do, but why would I expect a rational counterargument from a reactionary whose ideological existence depends entirely on contrarianism rather than logic? and why would I subject myself to pointless and logical-fallacy-fuelled back-and-forth from you?
If your position had a sound argument, I would never have had anything to object to. By the tone of your indigent response, I know I can only expect trolling. i stand to gain nothing by engaging such childishness.
Invading another sovereign nation is wrong (and illegal), and, therefore, Russia is wrong.
come on man you just didnt see what instance this was posted to, this is embarrasing
if you expect me to feel bad for upsetting a bunch of fascists, you’ll be waiting forever.
The rest of the world learned how awful and evil you all were 100 years ago. time to catch up, cupcake!
huh??? You clearly left a comment thinking this was lemmy.ml, it’s ok to admit you messed up this is actual nuclear grade cope I’m reading
awww, you don’t get it. don’t blame me for your inadequacies. goose your own step, but don’t cry when others call you out for it.
goddamn I’ve never seen cope make someone act like this. Please, it’s not to late, you can get yourself off of copium your family loves you
“There is no flagship instance. The developers actively push sopuli.xyz and beehaw.org instead of lemmy.ml for multiple reasons.”
Lib is salty 😝
That’s not salty, the developers intentionally state it’s not the flagship instance and
help promote more “centrist” instanceshave stated a desire to see “mainstread, or liberal” instances to avoid lemmy.ml becoming… what it just became.Here is one of the devs saying so, in an official announcement post linked in the lemmy.ml sidebar: https://lemmy.ml/post/70280
Interesting…I wonder how the devs will respond to this situation when it unfolds
Currently i seen:
- They temp banned Yogthos for week but not anyone who were attacking him.
- They banned Freagle for 3 days for arguing, again, none of guys attacking him was banned
- They removed some comments by an open fascist troll, not banning him:
- Appointed new admin, seems kinda liberal iirc
- Only one of the new fash was banned (for a month), and he needed to write something like this:
Which community is this? Are communities allowed sovereign control over their content or does this fall onto the shoulders of the devs since it is in the primary Lemmy instance?
Afaik all lemmy communities had to respect overall lemmy rules, but they are free to make their own too. I’m not sure who deals the bans, but i guess lemmy admins can override community mods since i seen some weird ban/unban combos few times.
