Contrapoints just put out a post reading “Thoughts on I/P” on her subreddit, and as you might expect, it is poopoo dogshit of the caliber you would expect from an enbyphobic white liberal trans woman who gallivants about with Hillary Clinton.
TL;DR Leftists didn’t do anything by protesting the genocide, being anti-Zionist is ‘shrinking the tent’, criticism of Israel is responsible for rising antisemitism, and so on, and so forth. At least she says the word genocide, I guess.
Link to post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ContraPoints/comments/1lvxfqo/thoughts_on_ip
“I don’t care what the Houthis have on their flag as long as Israel suffers monetarily for siccing rockets on civilians. I don’t care what Hamas have on their flag as long as doctors under their govt treat maimed civilians. If it’s unproductive to blast Dems for supporting Israel, what on Earth gives lefties the moral high ground to blast what little resistance Gazans have to do anything about their genocide?”
Very good point from someone in the replies.
You know what I hate the most about liberals and other spineless worms? We’re living through a genocide and they keep talking about it as if this is some kind of online fandom war or tumblr drama. Israel and Palestine are not funny little characters in a tv show or a book, they are countries made up of real people. In Palestine, real people are being ripped in half for fun and then if you say “Hey this is wrong” you’re swarmed by psychotic freaks who think they aren’t being killed fast enough.
Days like today, I’m happy Kamala lost because as bad as Trump is at least he doesn’t hide that he’s an uncaring ass like she did.
Neoliberals are scum of the Earth.
Right, who downvoted you?
It shrunk the coalition. “Zionist” is a very broad category. Most Jews are Zionists. Anyone who supports a two-state solution is a Zionist.
Maybe it is just me but I don’t think most pro-Palestine supporters are against the two-state solution. I think it is impossible with Israel being what it is but I think most people don’t care about Israel’s very existence and the immediate goal is halting the genocide. The discourse around Zionism has been poisoned by hasbara mouthpieces like ADL who have conflated “children should not be killed” with anti-semitism. It is disappointed but expected that she has adopted their framing of the discourse wholesale.
Yeah, I mean, it’s nuanced. If Israel were to start collapsing, they offered a genuine 2 state solution, and (critically) it was something the Palestinian people themselves wanted? I feel like it would be chauvinistic to say they should turn that down. But the point is, I’m not out here saying the 2 state solution is what we should pursue now.
After the events of the past few years, I’m 99 percent convinced that a two-state solution is impossible.
On paper, I have no problem with a hypothetical Israel existing. But the amount of suffering, pain, and trauma that this current iteration of Israel has caused, is just evil on a whole other level.
Israel should consider itself lucky if it’s even allowed to nominally exist, after all is said and done.
I agree but my point is that anti-genocide movement is narrow in scope. In truth any activist movement will never gain traction if its end goal is the erasure of any state, let alone one that is the darling of the US. Current activist movements are mostly trying to get target institutions to stop funding israel’s genocide and this demand is many steps removed from making any assertions about the legitimacy of israeli statehood.
People like this are adult children who never learned how to regulate their emotions, but did learn how to excessively rationalize every emotion they have and in this person’s case, went and made a whole goddamn career of it. So basically, their worst takes tend to amount to tantrums disguised as flimsy rationalizing.
This is the important part:
Trump is also, incidentally, a menace to me and basically everyone I care about. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.
The rationalizing isn’t really about Palestinians lives or what is tactically more effective, it’s that the person doing this self-centered tantrum is upset and probably scared, and so they’re going to take it out on a whole scapegoated entity “the online left.” It’s the same kind of empty, childish finger pointing that you see in a video game after the group has just failed a challenge; someone is mad that things went wrong, so rather than sitting down and trying to work with others to get a better outcome going forward, they start finding someone to scapegoat. Incidentally, this sort of treatment of others syncs up well with how fast liberals can go to fascist thinking. They are more interested in othering than accurately investigating and dealing with real problems or threats.
The line about “A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this” is part of what makes it clear to me how tantrum-like it is. It suggests that the emotion is somehow out of the person’s hands, like they have to be perfect not to feel this way. But it’s beside the point of maturely dealing with emotions. There’s nothing wrong with feeling bitter about something, it just is, emotions just kinda happen sometimes. The important part is what you do with the emotion; how you process it and in what way you act on it, if you do act on it at all. And people like this try to make their emotions other people’s problems and put it on them as responsible (“it’s the online left”) and they try to avoid any sense of agency in being a feeling being (“a perfectly enlightened being would do better but I am not…”).
In short, this kind of person wants to escape responsibility for feeling because they don’t know how to regulate feeling. They probably notice on some level that the way they dysregulate looks immature, so instead of maturing, they find a way to excuse it or reframe it as something else.
I’ve said it before and I’ll said it again: if leftists are so important that we lost the election, then maybe the Democrats should have listened to us. If we are so unimportant that we don’t matter, then stop blaming us for losing the election.
They never will. They don’t mind losing to Trump, but they won’t even try and win with a social democrat let alone a proper leftist
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Zero Palestinian lives were saved.
This might not be true. Trump actually got Israel to temporarily slow down at least at one point. Ineffective but more than Biden ever did. More importantly, his economic wars against China caused the US to be denied the means of manufacturing weapons.
It may have slightly contributed to the reelection of Trump, guaranteeing that the US will put no diplomatic pressure on Netanyahu for at least four years
Oh please. Why do you think the Democrats would care about pressuring Netenyahu? They never did. They have historically been the more militant party. It’s not in their interests to impede Netenyahu. Trump has actually done more on this already, I’d say.
And making protests against Israel both much riskier and less effective.
Less effective than zero?
Trump is also, incidentally, a menace to me and basically everyone I care about.
That’s a capitalist thing. It’s far from unique to him. Yes, he emboldened the transphobic fascists I wasn’t willing to make friends with anyway, but ICE deportations are actually less under Trump than under Biden. When Democrats menace those I care about, it’s much less likely to make the news. Meanwhile Trump, in his incompetence, is helping to save the world from the US. Global southerners are being less menaced than before. I do not regret voting third party. After all, among the eligible voters, POC in the US overwhelmingly did not vote. Do you care about them? Would you vote for a menace to them?
Leftists are stinky
I’m a runner, I can’t help that. Fight for better material conditions for us instead of voting for people that will make us homeless to fund imperialism abroad and maybe we’ll smell better.
It’s hard to believe I used to really like her back in the day. Now whenever I see her post I take psychic damage.
I’ve always said that she’s basically a neoliberal version of Blaire White, ever since she slandered Antifa.
guaranteeing that the US will put no diplomatic pressure on Netanyahu
Oh my god we had so much of that under Biden, didn’t we?
Trump is a menace to me and everyone I care about
Same, I’m just not willing to become complicit in the 21st century holocaust for the impression of my rights being safeguarded.
Arguably, Trump may have put more pressure on Netanyahu. Biden couldn’t suck his dick fast enough, while Trump at first at least pretended that support would be conditional.
A lot of liberals have an almost religious belief in the idea that on any given issue, Trump is worse than Biden. Biden could brag about how much he loves kicking puppies and people would still say “oh but Trump would kick the puppies even HARDER so you hate puppies if you don’t vote for Biden.” Extremely tiresome.
Indeed.
What utter garbage. You’re either against genocide or you aren’t. Whatever “middle ground” this is supposed to be just enables the oppressors. Fucking liberals
What’s worse than that post? The comments under it.
Genuinely. They’re so fucking wretched.
Sweet Jesus what the fuck is that?? What the fuck is that private points???
KKKontrapoints.
That’s… A strange argument to make, right? Number 1.
Yeah it’s extremely cynical. She is one of those terminal American turbolibs who would like to see Palestinians exterminated so they could go “😏 heh told you to vote for Harris”.
The correct response to those turbo windowlicking liberals is to beat them within an inch of their goddamn life and then ask them if Harris would save them.
Awful statement but I didn’t expect much anyways from war criminal Hillary Clinton’s friend.
enbyphobic
It’s been years since I’ve followed anything she’s done; what has she said about enbies?
The thing that initially started backlash against her started when she put out a thread complaining about people asking for pronouns and how it made things harder and more awkward for her as a “semi-passable trans”. It wasn’t that offensive, but people pointed out how asking for pronouns is good because it accommodates non-passing binary trans people and nonbinary trans people and she was… not the most receptive. There’s a lot to be said on the subject, but the TL;DR is that a lot of binary trans people look at the mechanism of misgendering (e.g. assuming gender) and see it as something to spin in their favor (once they pass well enough) to validate themselves as really being men / women.
“I’m sure this is not the experience of many NBs. I leave it to them to articulate what NB existence looks like in a binary world. I do not and cannot speak for them. But surely an account that begins and ends with “I’m not a man because I don’t identify as one” is pretty weak.”
She seems to be agreeing with what appears to be a transmed here (this was in response to a thread where she talked about ‘20 something boy moding trans women who will go up to you and tell you they use she/her pronouns’ and the generational gap between her and younger trans people)
Anyway, she continued to double down on that instead of apologizing, at one point going on a rant about how she’s “the last of the old school transsexuals” (whatever that means), and at another point expressing sympathy with people who are worried about the future of trans acceptance due to more radical / non-conforming members of the community. As the other person mentioned, there was also the whole thing with her platforming Buck Angel, a very bigoted trans man who is a transmed and outed Lily Wachowski without her consent. She eventually deleted her Twitter and went on a sort of “I’ve been cancelled” pity tour, making a video about how unjustly harassed she’s been in which, for whatever fucking reason, she compares herself to JK Rowling and seems to argue that even if Rowling was a shitty person, the harassment she received wasn’t necessarily justified (?). She also compared leftists & trans folk who criticized her to Kiwifarms trolls. In one of her videos, she also was really unnecessarily shitty towards that one Gamestop trans woman that had a video of her circulating a few years back.
She later returned to Twitter, having clearly learned nothing, and continued making insensitive, catty remarks about niche groups within the queer community - e.g. bi lesbians, asexual folk who have sex, etc - and generally proving that she had learned nothing.
Like, it’s not like she’s JK Rowling (although it took a long while for even JK Rowling to become JK Rowling) - she’s not going on crusades against nonbinary people - but she’s a privileged, white binary trans woman who is consistently insensitive towards other members of the community and instead of apologizing, doubles down in response to backlash and tries to paint herself as a victim of the ever ubiquitous cancel culture.
I’m non-binary, and I argue that ContraPoints is vehemently enbyphobic, despite her rhetoric.
And her platforming the rapist and evil, sociopathic Buck Angel is a whole other level of scum. They both need bullets in their heads.
The main thing I heard about was that she let a transmedicalist do a voiceover on a video way back when. There may be other more direct bad takes that I haven’t heard about (and I don’t particularly care to)
I can’t believe she’s the one who first led me to socialism
Yeah, I feel you. It was Bernie for me. Kill your heroes.
What a KKKunt.
Ever since she declared that Antifa are part of the problem, I’ve known she was trash.
