The downside is those people have kids that didn’t vote for this.
And while I’d like the people that did vote for this to understand what they supported, I really don’t want them to starve either. It feels more cruel than helpful. If we’re supporting basic human rights, which we should, that includes shitty people, for better or worse.
this is true. but the other replies are true too: they will say my kids are starving and it’s the democrats fault
because in a post-truth world, right-wing claims don’t need to be supported by reason, logic, evidence, or…anything. meanwhile claims from “the left” can be supported by mountains of research, facts, and literal “this object i have in my hand exists” evidence, and it’s still considered “fake news”
I agree with the assessment of willful/blind ignorance. This could hardly be proven more than by Rep. Kat Cammack blaming the Democrats for Florida’s abortion ban almost killing her. But while she almost got her own face eaten by the leopard, there would be some karmic justice there one could argue, but again, to see people in America suffer or die for very preventable conditions is insane to me.
The real upside, if we wish to see one from this spiteful and asinine budget cut, is an opportunity to show we’re not whatever it is they’ve been told we are. Make sure your neighbors and family are ok, if they’re MAGA or not. We can look for revenge, or we can live in an egalitarian way that we’d want things to be. Don’t preach people your beliefs, show them why you believe it. You won’t always win people over, but most folks will remember if you gave them a hand when they needed it and didn’t guilt them or hold something over them, but were just a good human being.
We’re allowed to be mad. We deserve to be mad. But we should still act right. Somebody’s got to be the adult in the room.
Truthfully I find it hard to have any grace toward someone who, or any group for that matter, who wants to rain harm down on marginalized people when they can not see past their own nose to see what that same vote does to them all the while we are over here pointing at project 2025 and trying to tell them just what will happen if they go ahead with that vote. My sympathy is gone. SCOTUS just voted to take away birthright citizenship and you want me to give these fuckers some grace. You want me to extend my hand in brotherhood? I turned the over cheek too long. All my grace is gone.
My patience is only for the everyday people in our lives. Most of them I think are poorly or wrongly informed or just have no interest or understanding of politics. I’m plenty interested in politics and the economy, etc, and I maybe have a solid grip on 1% of what all the government actually does or can do.
Those who are public officials, elected or appointed, or in some other way active participants such as citizen “militias”, Jan 6ers, etc… those people can burn in hell for what they’ve done to this place. They’ve done irreparable harm and did it purposefully over decades. They know and understand what they’re doing. They have no excuse. They’re criminals and traitors to our country.
I assume we’re all somewhere left of center here, so I may have not been clear on that distinction.
Pennsylvania, so it varies. My friends are of diverse backgrounds, but my extended family is very red and that was how I was raised.
Most people I talk to just follow what “their people” tell them and don’t learn about it any more. We’re on a political community because we’re into it, but the majority of people don’t know or care beyond the sales pitch they get from whomever their preferred media source is.
I find them more politically ignorant than malicious. They’ll say stupid stuff, but if you can get conversation going to where you can present things in a way that is equitable to most people you get “that sounds like a good idea” but tell them that’s a lefty stance and they dig in their heals and won’t believe it.
I’ll hear them say racist or sexist or homophobic things, but they’ve always been respectful to my girlfriends, my gay friends, and I’ve never actually seen them be rude to anyone they thought for their race. They’re just scared of shit they don’t know. Put something in front of them, they see it isn’t scary, and they can accept it because now it’s familiar.
The in laws are worse than my family, but they all drove 6 hours to the one cousin’s lesbian interracial half Jewish, half Christian wedding. They hated the food because it had flavor, but they didn’t make a deal about it in public, and they had a great time and celebrated them as much as at any other wedding, and they love her and accept them both.
Trust me, the cognitive dissonance blows my mind, and it’s hard to accept the duality that people can talk one way and support hateful things while they could turn around and be nice to the people they were just hating on, but that has been my years of experience with people here.
I got experience outside my bubble and learned to love it. I stopped being selfish, learned empathy for strangers, and started trying to understand issues, even if they didn’t directly affect me. They are capable of that. It might never work, but they’re not hopeless. I can’t say I’ve ever met someone who would look at anyone else and to their face wish harm or struggle upon them. They might not be immediately comfortable around them, but I can’t say anyone would wish something negative for them.
I know people that evil do exist, but I again say that is not the majority of people. Nowhere close to it. If we can’t see the potential of the other third to half of our country, we’re done for.
Come on down to WNC. I was born and raise here and the passive/aggressive harried of anything that is not christofascism is mind numbing. The take pride it their stupidity and look down on anybody that is not just like they are. I have turned the other cheek to these people my whole life, Now both sides of my face it bruised and I am sick of their mouth breath hillbilly ways. Helen exposed them for the hypocrites they are. There were truck loads of armed men driving around looking for FEMA workers. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. I am sick of the purposeful ignorance and hate and just as you said they make comments that are racist or sexist or homophobic things but they are not rude to those sorts of people’s faces. But yet you just accept that as duality. I am calling bullshit on you. I do believe we are done sir. You have a nice day.
They aren’t going to put two and two together. To them they earned it by paying taxes, it’s only socialism to them if it’s “free” (which literally nothing is)
the upside is that a lot of broke willfully pridefully ignorant magas are going to learn just how socialist they actually are
Living in a red state.
They won’t learn shit.
Misled people always learn the wrong lessons every time.
Lol…
They don’t learn. They’ll just blame Democrats yet again.
The downside is those people have kids that didn’t vote for this.
And while I’d like the people that did vote for this to understand what they supported, I really don’t want them to starve either. It feels more cruel than helpful. If we’re supporting basic human rights, which we should, that includes shitty people, for better or worse.
this is true. but the other replies are true too: they will say my kids are starving and it’s the democrats fault
because in a post-truth world, right-wing claims don’t need to be supported by reason, logic, evidence, or…anything. meanwhile claims from “the left” can be supported by mountains of research, facts, and literal “this object i have in my hand exists” evidence, and it’s still considered “fake news”
I agree with the assessment of willful/blind ignorance. This could hardly be proven more than by Rep. Kat Cammack blaming the Democrats for Florida’s abortion ban almost killing her. But while she almost got her own face eaten by the leopard, there would be some karmic justice there one could argue, but again, to see people in America suffer or die for very preventable conditions is insane to me.
The real upside, if we wish to see one from this spiteful and asinine budget cut, is an opportunity to show we’re not whatever it is they’ve been told we are. Make sure your neighbors and family are ok, if they’re MAGA or not. We can look for revenge, or we can live in an egalitarian way that we’d want things to be. Don’t preach people your beliefs, show them why you believe it. You won’t always win people over, but most folks will remember if you gave them a hand when they needed it and didn’t guilt them or hold something over them, but were just a good human being.
We’re allowed to be mad. We deserve to be mad. But we should still act right. Somebody’s got to be the adult in the room.
Truthfully I find it hard to have any grace toward someone who, or any group for that matter, who wants to rain harm down on marginalized people when they can not see past their own nose to see what that same vote does to them all the while we are over here pointing at project 2025 and trying to tell them just what will happen if they go ahead with that vote. My sympathy is gone. SCOTUS just voted to take away birthright citizenship and you want me to give these fuckers some grace. You want me to extend my hand in brotherhood? I turned the over cheek too long. All my grace is gone.
My patience is only for the everyday people in our lives. Most of them I think are poorly or wrongly informed or just have no interest or understanding of politics. I’m plenty interested in politics and the economy, etc, and I maybe have a solid grip on 1% of what all the government actually does or can do.
Those who are public officials, elected or appointed, or in some other way active participants such as citizen “militias”, Jan 6ers, etc… those people can burn in hell for what they’ve done to this place. They’ve done irreparable harm and did it purposefully over decades. They know and understand what they’re doing. They have no excuse. They’re criminals and traitors to our country.
I assume we’re all somewhere left of center here, so I may have not been clear on that distinction.
I am guessing you do not live in a red state.
Pennsylvania, so it varies. My friends are of diverse backgrounds, but my extended family is very red and that was how I was raised.
Most people I talk to just follow what “their people” tell them and don’t learn about it any more. We’re on a political community because we’re into it, but the majority of people don’t know or care beyond the sales pitch they get from whomever their preferred media source is.
I find them more politically ignorant than malicious. They’ll say stupid stuff, but if you can get conversation going to where you can present things in a way that is equitable to most people you get “that sounds like a good idea” but tell them that’s a lefty stance and they dig in their heals and won’t believe it.
I’ll hear them say racist or sexist or homophobic things, but they’ve always been respectful to my girlfriends, my gay friends, and I’ve never actually seen them be rude to anyone they thought for their race. They’re just scared of shit they don’t know. Put something in front of them, they see it isn’t scary, and they can accept it because now it’s familiar.
The in laws are worse than my family, but they all drove 6 hours to the one cousin’s lesbian interracial half Jewish, half Christian wedding. They hated the food because it had flavor, but they didn’t make a deal about it in public, and they had a great time and celebrated them as much as at any other wedding, and they love her and accept them both.
Trust me, the cognitive dissonance blows my mind, and it’s hard to accept the duality that people can talk one way and support hateful things while they could turn around and be nice to the people they were just hating on, but that has been my years of experience with people here.
I got experience outside my bubble and learned to love it. I stopped being selfish, learned empathy for strangers, and started trying to understand issues, even if they didn’t directly affect me. They are capable of that. It might never work, but they’re not hopeless. I can’t say I’ve ever met someone who would look at anyone else and to their face wish harm or struggle upon them. They might not be immediately comfortable around them, but I can’t say anyone would wish something negative for them.
I know people that evil do exist, but I again say that is not the majority of people. Nowhere close to it. If we can’t see the potential of the other third to half of our country, we’re done for.
Come on down to WNC. I was born and raise here and the passive/aggressive harried of anything that is not christofascism is mind numbing. The take pride it their stupidity and look down on anybody that is not just like they are. I have turned the other cheek to these people my whole life, Now both sides of my face it bruised and I am sick of their mouth breath hillbilly ways. Helen exposed them for the hypocrites they are. There were truck loads of armed men driving around looking for FEMA workers. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK. I am sick of the purposeful ignorance and hate and just as you said they make comments that are racist or sexist or homophobic things but they are not rude to those sorts of people’s faces. But yet you just accept that as duality. I am calling bullshit on you. I do believe we are done sir. You have a nice day.
They aren’t going to put two and two together. To them they earned it by paying taxes, it’s only socialism to them if it’s “free” (which literally nothing is)