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    For this comment, I want to be absolutely clear that I do not give a shit about AI, and that it in no way factored into my decision to buy this iPhone 16 Pro Max.

    With that disclaimer out of the way:

    I very much look forward to a class action lawsuit. Apple advertised specific features as coming ‘very soon’ and gave short timeframes when asked directly. And they basically did not deliver on those advertising promises. Basically, I think there’s a good case to be made here that Apple knowingly engaged in false advertising in order to sell a phone that otherwise would not have sold as well. Those promised AI features WERE a deciding factor for a lot of people to upgrade to an iPhone 16.

    So, I’ll be looking forward to some form of compensation. It’s the principle of it.

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    Siri still struggles with toggling my lights with voice commands, after nearly 8 years of tearful screaming at my HomePod.

    I want to see 1 Infinite Loop transformed into a giant toilet.

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      Me: Siri turn lights on

      Siri: Now playing Bon Jovi’s “Wanted dead or alive”

      Me: Siri shut the fuck up, you have one job, do that job

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    Apple will be pissed at you now shareholders! Why would you do such a thing? sue them? really ? Apple is a good company, would never do that! /S

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    Apple could have just…not gone for AI at all, they’re now in an awkward spot where they know it would make their product worse to implement it, yet they promised anyways

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    I really hope this goes somewhere.

    Not because I have any sympathy for the shareholders, mind you, fuck absolutely everyone involved. But I think it would be very funny to make Apple prove in court that AI is such dogshit it would’ve hurt the product more to implement it than not.

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      Meanwhile in my company the leadership just thinks that we have a messaging problem after the new AI stuff we implemented made absolutely no difference in the sales numbers.

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        I’m surprised they at least know they have a problem. I would think these companies would just say “look how the sales numbers haven’t changed, that means that we were correct in doing the AI thing. Without it, sales would be sinking into the ocean!”

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        I mean you do have a messaging problem. Your leadership has received bad messaging about what “AI” can do!

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          If they are anything like the leadership at my company they have received plenty of information about what AI can do from that IT, but you see they went to this convention in Las Vegas and some self-styled “business guru” told them everything they wanted to hear.

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        Advertise more and sell harder. Who cares what kind of trash the customers end up buying, because only profits matter.

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      The overpromising is criminal despite what the actual law says. Let the companies pushing AI beyond it‘s boundaries bleed.

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      The bad thing is that Apple would introduce Recall for all its devices in the future, just to keep its shareholders happy.

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        Local Snapshots have been available on OSX and MacOS since 2011 as long as you use Time Machine to make backups.

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          There‘s also the FSEvents database on the root of every disk which is a database of all the file events/operations that happened on that disk.

          Supposedly you can disable it, but I haven’t got it to work. For example if you download a sensitive file, do something with it, and delete it. You can see this in the FSEvents database.

          This is already a recall type feature at the file system level.

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            NTFS has that exact feature too, a log of file operations on the disk. They’ve had it long before Recall was a thing.

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          I’m referring to Microsoft’s AI Recall, but Apple should apply it to its MacOS or all its devices.

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    Apple professional management have run the company down with their many foolish decisions. Feels similar to how Microsoft became worse annd worse after XP.

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      I’m pretty sure you can trace the management downturn of American companies back to a change in MBA curriculum.

      You can see when they started getting hired after the shift. Where they were taught that as long as your department is doing well and has positive numbers, LITERALLY nothing else matters. The company could be crashing and burning around you, you might even be causing it, but as long as those numbers are going up, you’ll quickly get hired at another company. Because every single iota of their education is about pleasing investors who only care about money now, and not potential money in a few years.

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        They go on about long-term investment and then you find out that what they’re actually talking about is things that will start returning a profit in 6 months. Half a year is long-term to them.

        If you have a long-term view and want to make quite a lot of money you probably couldn’t do better than shorting Apple stock. They never innovate anymore (every iPhone is literally the same as the previous years), and they spend huge amounts of money on failed projects (Vision Pro), meanwhile they continue not to fix ongoing serious issues (Safari).

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      After W2K I didn’t like XP all that much, it felt slower and was too “Chinese-looking” (how it could be said in my language in those years). Now I’m nostalgic over chromecore aesthetic and that look, silver Game Boy, silver PS2, silver SW Phantom Menace interiors. Or matte black as an alternative, too looking very cool. Or at least that “normal” matte white. But in UIs - XP felt a bit too much, tiring for my eyes. Still, XP with default blue theme and jump-to-lightspeed wallpaper is what home and nostalgie are for me.

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        Never heard that phrase before. What language might that be if you don’t mind me asking?

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          Well, in Russia in early 00s (my childhood) they’d say that about things looking like Chinese toys of cheap plastic. As in “Chinese means cheap, but low-quality and probably a toy”. Such things were indeed mostly produced in China, so. It’s rather that back then you’d sometimes have better things, now everything is like this.

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            In English we used to use the word “Scotch”, like Scottish. We still use it to refer to scotch tape - cheap tape.

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              And the phonetic transcription of that is how we still call that in Russian.

              Well, with “Chinese” in Russian it didn’t stick. I’m somewhat sad, I think certain political conditions also make the Russian language poorer and weaker with time. In 00s I, despite being autistic, could somewhat “feel the wave” of the people around me. Now it just … feels as if someone tracks and tries to slowly kill all the good things, as if just being in control is not enough for those people.

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    Apple used rigged demos and made false claims about their own technology so outstanding that their own project managers were taken aback by how far behind the features actually were vs. what was pushed. There’s already informal documentaries on the massive internal disconnects within Apple that have lead to poor product testing and stagnation.

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          For this to be a good thing the shareholders would need to agree to a technical CEO rather than a marketing one and that comes with the wee lil’ issue of raining on their AI parade. If Tim Cook goes his replacement will be even worse.

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            As much as I dislike Steve Jobs personally, Apple needs someone at the helm who is product and customer experience oriented like he was. Obviously, technical know-how is good, but someone exclusively technical would flounder. Tim Cook is a supply chain guy. His replacement would almost certainly be someone marketing oriented, since innovation no longer drives Apple. Sales do.

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      So, your MO is fooling customers since Jobs. You learn that fooling customers doesn’t ever get punished. Then your shareholders become fooled well enough over time. Then your management is so involved in fooling customers and shareholders that they don’t know anything else. Then there’s bound to happen a moment.

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    Instead of focusing on battery life, they focused on some dogshit hype product that no one uses and no body asked for.

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      Peak ludites gathering here lmao

      I’d be willing to literally bet everything I own that AI will not be gone anytime soon. It’s absurd to even think that we would ever go back to pre-llm world unless a world ending event happens.

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      What?! Haven’t your heard?

      • FSD is happening next year, for sure,
      • we’re still 18 months away from developers being replaced,
      • it’s “deep” reasoning, basically nearly ASI!

      /s (obviously)

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    Let’s face it the problem is mostly the people. If AI was as super duper as claimed to be it would be able to construct advertising that makes everyone go: 'Yeah, I have to have this, it’s useful, ethical, the bees knees really. ’

    The little advertising that still makes it over my thresholds is bad to abominable and of that what registers for me has the opposite affect it intents - I go out of my way to avoid it.

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            I have, quite a few in fact. Recently I got into a discussion with someone who was complaining about how bad Linux was because installing it from scratch took an extra ~20 minutes of configuration to set up drivers, meanwhile his Windows systems “just work”. What he didn’t mention, though, was that his Windows systems that “just worked” were pre-build machines that came pre-installed with Windows, in other words the manufacturer already did the hard part of getting all of the drivers installed ahead of time and baked into the image. Turns out he had never actually installed Windows on a bare-metal system before and had to deal with the absolute fucking nightmare Windows driver management is, so he had no basis for comparison, of course he refused to recognize that as a possibility though.

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              That doesn’t sound like zealot as much as someone who doesn’t want to think about it though

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                In his mind, Windows works, Linux doesn’t, and nothing and no-one can convince him otherwise. That sounds like a zealot to me, but maybe you had something else in mind.

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                  And claiming that it works is zealotry? Sounds like he does like Linux, that doesn’t make him a Windows zealot. Apathetic is kinda Windows target demographic and the antithesis of zealotry

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            They exist. Go on a Steam discussions page for a popular game that doesn’t currently support Linux, and create a new post politely asking about the possibility of Linux support.

            *A wild WINDOWS ZEALOT appears*

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          As a FreeBSD zealot, I really don’t see anything far from norm with Linux zealots. They are a bit conflict-seeking and ignorant, but that’s ok.

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    I think Apple is going to have to release Safari for Windows and Linux to use new users as guinea pigs.

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          I remember at one point the front-end guys I knew were laughing that it didn’t even support iframes. But I imagine it eventually got decent enough.

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          Generally, Safari was kind of middling in function and design until around 2018, when it got more streamlined or something; at least, its apparent performance improved over the other browsers on macOS. It was novel on Windows but pretty limited and just, meh.

          Edit: I forgot, the clean, minimalist, ad free reader view on the windows version was very nice to have. Long time ago!

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          It was fun! It worked well when compared with IE back in the day which isn’t saying much, but it was a sensible bedfellow with iTunes and all the Apple mobile support software that was common to run alongside for your iPod. I enjoyed using it as my main browser because it was aesthetically pleasing.

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          Normal. I used Opera. QuickTime player for Windows was nice. Used it under W2K for most of media things in the interwebs.