I don’t need to look at the articles, I literally grew up on a horse/donkey/goat ranch. Besides, why would I look into articles suggesting to abuse the farm animals?
I bet most everyone, including the Wikipedia article writers, and even the references they mention, most of them have probably never even rode a horse or donkey before. I have though.
There are proper ways of training large farm animals, and beating them with a stick isn’t one. That’s straight up animal abuse. And such large animals will quickly remind you who is in charge by stomping your skull in.
I learned how to peacefully and safely train animals. Dangle a carrot in front of a donkey, you can guide it around all day, until the work shift is over and you guide it to the food trough.
Why is everyone sharing links on how to beat animals with sticks, when I’m literally explaining from experience that there are much better ways to train farm animals?
You’re approaching this from the wrong direction. No one is saying this is the correct way to raise animals, everyone is just saying this is LITERALLY what the phrase means.
For wha it’s worth I have ridden both a horse and a donkey, though I am unsure why this is a sticking point for you on a language question
I do appreciate you for looking into older references, but I was hoping for some articles from before the digital era, like a scan or three from a couple encyclopedias or other relevant articles before the modern digital era.
Find me something from like 1950-60 and I might be more inclined to believe it. Other than that, given my life experience, I tend to believe what I literally learned on the horse ranch.
People were trying to gently educate you on a metaphor and you decided anything pre-internet is a requirement. Then you keep talking about your lived experience when you got it wrong. Then you attack people when they said they’re not going to do work for you and if you want info you can look it up yourself. You got some real boomer energy my guy/gal.
You don’t use a stick on a donkey or a horse, unless you want your face kicked in and trampled to death.
Have any of you ever heard of a horse whip? When used correctly, they exceed the speed of sound, and keep trainers and riders at a safe distance from them.
I don’t give a fuck about some stupid metaphor that probably came from republican propaganda when they have no experience on a farm.
Because I have no experience with said stupid ‘metaphor’, I’ve never heard it as a metaphor before today.
Coming from over 10 years on a horse/donkey ranch, I speak from real life experience. I didn’t realize that people were so dumb as to think you whip such a large animal with a stick, that’s just fucking stupid and asking to die by the animal’s hooves.
So once again, there’s a reason they make horse/donkey whips, and if you don’t know what that is, well go spend a few days on a large animal farm and learn how dangerous the untrained can be.
You don’t hit a donkey or a horse with a stick, unless you want your face kicked in. Which actually happened on our ranch, thankfully not to me though.
You ever heard of a horse whip? Do you know how to use them? They’re usually over 8 feet long, and when swung, aimed and popped correctly, that pop exceeds the speed of sound, keeping the trainers at a safe distance with a safe advantage.
Wanna try again troll? I literally grew up on a horse ranch, and the proper tools of training horses and donkeys would rip your flesh open.
I asked for before the enshittification era.
I’m not about to trust a controversial article that could have been manipulated by almost anyone these days.
Dude the Wikipedia article proves that both metaphors are correct
Ok, nice. 👍
Have a good day.
You can just go look at the sources of the article man.
I don’t need to look at the articles, I literally grew up on a horse/donkey/goat ranch. Besides, why would I look into articles suggesting to abuse the farm animals?
I bet most everyone, including the Wikipedia article writers, and even the references they mention, most of them have probably never even rode a horse or donkey before. I have though.
There are proper ways of training large farm animals, and beating them with a stick isn’t one. That’s straight up animal abuse. And such large animals will quickly remind you who is in charge by stomping your skull in.
I learned how to peacefully and safely train animals. Dangle a carrot in front of a donkey, you can guide it around all day, until the work shift is over and you guide it to the food trough.
Why is everyone sharing links on how to beat animals with sticks, when I’m literally explaining from experience that there are much better ways to train farm animals?
You’re approaching this from the wrong direction. No one is saying this is the correct way to raise animals, everyone is just saying this is LITERALLY what the phrase means.
For wha it’s worth I have ridden both a horse and a donkey, though I am unsure why this is a sticking point for you on a language question
OK, cool? Your experience doesn’t mean this doesn’t happen though, and no one is saying this is any kind of proper way to train an animal.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carrot_and_stick&oldid=1111746136
I do appreciate you for looking into older references, but I was hoping for some articles from before the digital era, like a scan or three from a couple encyclopedias or other relevant articles before the modern digital era.
Find me something from like 1950-60 and I might be more inclined to believe it. Other than that, given my life experience, I tend to believe what I literally learned on the horse ranch.
Honestly, people have given you examples. If you want examples from pre-internet then you should do some work yourself to find it.
I’ve known how to ride horses and donkeys since I was 6 years old, I grew up on a horse ranch.
I don’t need no fucking examples dumbass, I lived it.
The metaphor is not about how to ride horses or donkeys.
People were trying to gently educate you on a metaphor and you decided anything pre-internet is a requirement. Then you keep talking about your lived experience when you got it wrong. Then you attack people when they said they’re not going to do work for you and if you want info you can look it up yourself. You got some real boomer energy my guy/gal.
You don’t use a stick on a donkey or a horse, unless you want your face kicked in and trampled to death.
Have any of you ever heard of a horse whip? When used correctly, they exceed the speed of sound, and keep trainers and riders at a safe distance from them.
I don’t give a fuck about some stupid metaphor that probably came from republican propaganda when they have no experience on a farm.
If you don’t care about the metaphor what the heck are you doing in this conversation
Because I have no experience with said stupid ‘metaphor’, I’ve never heard it as a metaphor before today.
Coming from over 10 years on a horse/donkey ranch, I speak from real life experience. I didn’t realize that people were so dumb as to think you whip such a large animal with a stick, that’s just fucking stupid and asking to die by the animal’s hooves.
So once again, there’s a reason they make horse/donkey whips, and if you don’t know what that is, well go spend a few days on a large animal farm and learn how dangerous the untrained can be.
Don’t feed the troll.
Here is a story from a ranch
Funny you think you are.
You don’t hit a donkey or a horse with a stick, unless you want your face kicked in. Which actually happened on our ranch, thankfully not to me though.
You ever heard of a horse whip? Do you know how to use them? They’re usually over 8 feet long, and when swung, aimed and popped correctly, that pop exceeds the speed of sound, keeping the trainers at a safe distance with a safe advantage.
Wanna try again troll? I literally grew up on a horse ranch, and the proper tools of training horses and donkeys would rip your flesh open.
Did your ranch ever become under siege?