Cops most likely commit more sexual assault than they prosecute.
Less than 1% of rapes lead to felony convictions.
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The police aren’t there to keep you safe, they’re there to protect the interests of the oligarchs
Tesla Lives Matter!
I 100% guarantee you there are very proper, professional teams of investigators who do prosecute rape thoroughly.
For women with rich dads.
*white women with rich dads
FTFY
Actual police in small towns are way closer to Reno 911 than Law & Order.
Reno 911 is also copaganda
Really? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’ve always thought Reno 911 made cops look like incompetent assholes.
Which is still better than reality.
Now I’m wondering if there’s a cop show that isn’t copoganda.
It’s old, but The Wire
Great nod, but that show still makes you think you could get 3 cops in a room and not even one will be a racist shitbox.
Shit… That’s “old” now?
Their comment made me want to ask if Naked Gun and Police Academy are copaganda.
What about Ace Ventura? Or Paul Blart?
Neither one of those are cops.
I dare you to say that to their face.
Ace would be complimented.
Blart wouldn’t be able to catch me.
Reno 911 is copaganda if you see it as a comedy, but the opposite if you see it as a documentary.
Care to elaborate?
Not the other user but I’ll answer: It effectively kawaiis them. Makes them seem like harmless goofballs instead of the vindictive organized predators that they all too often are. Gives viewers a false sense of security surrounding interactions with cops. Effectively erases the scale of the intentional and traumatic harm that they do to communities. Makes them seem relatable, in the way that your stupid silly friend is relatable. All in all, excuses them.
I’m not sure if we watched the same show, I recall them doing all sorts of harmful and/or illegal things that most decent people would not find relatable at all. It definitely doesn’t portray them as the deliberate organized evil that real life law enforcement actually are, but it’s a comedy and this is the US it never would have been greenlit in the first place if they did. I think it does a good job of undermining the public image of US law enforcement in a way that deeply indoctrinated Americans won’t immediately dismiss as hostile.
Those idiots definitely shot each other and other people more than they should. When they did something illegal they would cover it up. I recall one episode where they arrested someone but accidentally shot each other and decided to pin it on the person they arrested.
I’d say the show was pretty accurate.
The word copaganda is a copaganda. Makes me think cops are like ninja turtles when they are not.
I’ve seen reno 911.
Ive also seen true evil where the sheriff rules the town with an iron fist, terrorizing everyone he wants to.
Surprised we don’t have more shows like that.
Watch the last season of Fargo.
Same with CSI and… [unpopular opinion] Brooklyn 99.
Brooklyn 99 was a genuinely good comedy
It was also copaganda
On the bright side, as far as copaganda goes it is pretty mild.
The cops are portrayed as human, and more often than not as incompetent idiots, the federal agents are almost exclusively portrayed as assholes, they never portray violation of rights or due process as a necessary evil, prison is portrayed as, quote, “real bad”, a pseudomasculine bigot gets punched in the face, a racist stop-and-frisker is unequivocally an asshole, the most competent cops eventually get sidelined, punished, or straight up quit in moral protest…
It is copaganda, but by the last season post-COVID and post-Floyd, you can feel the wind completely fall out of their sails. They try to wrap up the story quickly while acknowledging the ongoing horrors, and they do their best to recognize the role they played in romanticizing law enforcement by making it clear that everyone on the squad is disillusioned and disturbed by the system.
Several of them flat out quit, and they have an incredible scene of corruption in action where they make it clear that fixing the NYPD through its own internal buearacracy is literally impossible.
Still copaganda for most of the show’s run, and also absolutely a genuinely good comedy.
Fantasy comedy
Much like The West Wing
Edit: not that it’s much of a comedy, but it’s definitely a fantasy about how the executive branch should work if we had halfway ethical and competent people working there.
Watched it all again last year. Love me some competency porn.
I don’t know. If anything shows how blatantly corrupt cops are, it is that show.
the MSMs would never allow it, especially if the owners are conservaties too.
It can be both
I don’t disagree
but not as hard as the current shows though.
It wasn’t. It had a few good lines/scenes, but not very funny to me at all. Couldn’t make it through the first episode, Sandberg just isn’t funny.
You kinda have to give any American sitcom at least half a season before you can really judge it. They pretty much all start out rubbish and it’s only when the actors grow into the roles can you tell if it’s actually gonna be good.
FWIW Brooklyn 99 was very much an ensemble comedy by the time it got going rather than primarily focusing on Samberg, even though he was still ostensibly the lead role.
I tried. I like all the actors, but Sandberg and just couldn’t do it. I’d rather rewatch scrubs or the office again.
Sorry I just said that because you said you couldn’t get through the first episode—I don’t think I’d have thought it was any good if that was all I saw either. The standard American sitcom rule I follow is 4-6 episodes before I can really tell if it’s actually gonna work, until that point the characters usually come across as 1 dimensional even if it ends up being good.
But fair play regardless, everyone likes different stuff!
No I get it. It took a few tries to get started in the office and in the wire also. I just don’t have the time anymore to wade through stuff that I just don’t really care for.
Right but just because you personally didn’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t a good comedy. I understand that you are now saying it’s not something you personally care for, but your original comment was stating that it being bad was objectively true. Like, I can say that I think The Simpsons is a bad comedy, and I could provide a bunch of data to back it up but I can’t say that The Simpsons is a bad comedy, because how did it get to 36 seasons in counting if people weren’t enjoying it?
Yeah CSI made you think that there was this dedicated team of people trying to get to the bottom of every case being very diligent and careful with every piece of evidence and the chain of custody, instead of a couple of dipshits who forget to label every baggie and throw everything to a box and toss it in the back room someplace.
csi made it seem like it was well funded/overfunded in the labs and investigations too. im pretty most of the funding goes into PR/campaigning and police salaries and pensions, rather than the operations to solve crimes.
It goes like this: “Are they black? If so, we won’t even elaborate.”
Yeah as much as I love Jake and Amy and Captain Holt, B99 is copaganda. Once I saw it that way, I couldn’t watch it anymore.
CSI was fun but not as thirsty/sucking off as NCSI. on a several instances the showrunner was virtue signalling at the end of the episode for them, with a message.(its military propaganda but also ties into copaganda too since its on the “civilian side”
In Colorado right now, if a survivor goes through the ordeal of a sexual assault evidence exam, the state lab will take 554 days before they get around to analyzing it. (Here’s a CPR story about the backlog.)
The Rookie is another Copaganda show.
A bunch of cops all nerding out over following the law, ethical treatment of minorities, keeping each other in line, actively forcing out bad cops…
What planet is this?
I really like the cast and the show is fun, but it’s as much fantasy as the Rings Of Power.
I’ve got a buddy that worked out of the same precinct the show supposedly takes place in. He obviously can’t stand any aspect of the show.
Hates it? Why? Because it’s completely unrealistic?
Pretty much.
Edited to add: hate is probably too strong a word. He just doesn’t enjoy it and doesn’t watch it.
Because Fillions too pretty
on the other hand, maybe it will inspire people to become cops with morality?
i doubt it… but id rather hand a standard that they’re failing at, at leastI’m pretty sure anyone who becomes a cop to “reform it from the inside” will either be corrupted or pushed out. There’ve been a couple high profile cases of cops trying to reform, and they were rewarded with prizes like being shot in the head or having dead rats left in their mailboxes.
There was also a guy who was forcibly committed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft#Raid_and_involuntary_commitment
Oh, I didn’t know about this one. Thanks for the link. Adding it to my mental dossier on police bullshit.
This American life has some good bits on his situation.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/414/right-to-remain-silent/act-two-0
while agree, they can only do that with so many cops at a time… What if, in a larger city, the entire graduating class of police academy is extremely morally motivated, and grew up inspired to be a by-the-book, actually good cop? They couldn’t fuck all of them up.
also, Serpico was a really good movie…
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all i’m saying is: it could be doing more good as inspiration, than bad as copaganda… i dunno… could be… maybe…I mean, technically true in a “picture a spherical frictionless cow” kind of sense, but not something you’re going to find in real life. Most people are susceptible to corruption. Cops have a lot of power, and we all know the saying about power corrupting.
On top of that, I’m pretty sure much of the training they’re getting to be cops is bad. They don’t spend nearly enough time on deescalation, I think , for example.
So many problems in all the other cop shows.
- Shooting at people running away
- The suspect is always guilty, we just have to prove it
- One bad cop per two seasons always from a different precinct
Recommended: The Rookie & Why Tech won’t save Policing
I worked in a warehouse many years ago, one of the office people also worked in a cop shop. She said the people that worked in the sex crimes dept spent very little time in the dept before moving on because of how fucked up they would get working those crimes.
L&O: SVU was so much stupidity with the same 6 cops working there but not commiting suicide from having to deal with sex crimes 24/7/365.
a hybrid of copaganda, and military propaganda NCIS. especially the showrunner/writers goes all thirsty though.
criminal minds too, but FBI-ganda. pre-firing of Hotches actor.
otoh whenever i think of svu i think of
barry allenjohn mulaney doing ice-t being confused about everythingI think of Chris Meloni scowling and occasionally punching people
I usally think of Chris Meloni from Oz and… ok dont worry about where this going.
The irony with the punisher skull is that he loathed crooked cops, and they’re the ones who love the symbol the most.
The new daredevil tv show goes into this
Cause they know he isn’t real
Thank Jesus for The Wire
The one written by a crime historian, with help from a retired homicide detective
Go figure it paints the most realistic picture
Didn’t that show get only like one or two seasons?
5, and they only intended 5 to tell the whole story they had
And Homicide. When I started watching it, I was surprised when some episodes ended but the investigation didn’t lead to anything and the cops didn’t really care.
In The Wire, I really liked when the cop found out the code used by dealers. He started saying “Those kids didn’t go to school so the code should be simple…”
Believe it or not, also Copaganda
Oh, it walks a line for sure.
For those in doubt, check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOXQpkUhZyc (also on Nebula)
I really recommend the whole series. It explains the origins of cop shows and their use as copaganda, as well as analyzing everything from Marvel movies to Paw Patrol in their depiction of law enforcement.
TV would also have you believe being President of the US is somehow not a job for a clown.
…and then there’s “COPS”.
I vividly remember watching and loving many of the police dramas when i was younger. C.S.I. being my favourite.
I remember stumbling across COPS on one of the newer “cooler” swedish channels thinking, oh, thats so cool, they will totally be like the shows i like.
After one episode of screaming, loud, obnoxious and frankly stupid people being chased by their equals, my illusion was shattered. Or atleast i knew that COPS weren’t for those that likes to see crime get solved.
A guilty pleasure of mine is the bodycam footage channels on YouTube, its surprising how negatively/self-defeating some people react to police interactions. I steer clear of channels that have serious harm to the suspects, shootings and whatnot, but my job has me interact frequently with intoxicated or distressed community members and seeing how they process stressful situations is interesting.
These channels are copaganda but still, somewhat enjoyable and some deescalation techniques police use when employed gently have helped me with setting boundaries in customer interactions. I also feel like learning what not to do when interacting with police is helpful for me if I ever get pulled over, etc. Midwest Safety and Lens of Law are two that are more ethically run and primarily use FOIA requested bodycam footage.
What’s really surprising to me is how patient most cops are. I always said I couldn’t be a cop because my temper would involve beating dumbshits with a baton.
Look, I hate pigs far more than most of you guys. And I have personal experiences/reasons going back decades. But sometimes watching my wife’s cop show I’m screaming, “Just beat his fucking ass!”
Same goes for judges. Spent a night or two watching sovcits in court. Heysus, were I a judge I would bounce them out on their ear the second they starting talking that shit.
In case I get called a boot licker, and I will, here’s my latest cop story.
For brevity let’s just say I had words with my MAGA neighbor. No threats, well, except for him stomping down the street to kick my ass and me quietly walking inside for my Colt .45. This motherfucker call the cops on me! (First one to call wins. Every. Time. Remember that. I should have called first, but didn’t think some yelling would come to that. Fucking MAGA pussy.)
Pigs show up dressed in their finest Hugo Boss black and one fat fuck is trying to get me to talk. I would not, except to state that no threats were exchanged and that’s all he needs to know. Pig threatens to get a warrant and arrest me for “causing a public disturbance” if I don’t allow him to violate my 5th amendment right to STFU. I STFU, nothing happened, because of course it didn’t. Because I STFU.
What’s your old lady’s cop show? My girl is always looking for new trash TV while she works.
Like you, I hate the fucking pigs. Got stories about corrupt sheriffs and gang rape and shit. Fuckem.
Here’s a fun one from when I was a kid. Had a '65 Chevy fleet side pickup for my first truck. Worked at a tater farm. Was driving home from work and I got pulled over for the first time. I wasn’t even wearing boots, just jeans and a straw hat. Complete redneck, may still have had a mullet.
Cop walks up and tells me, “roll down your window.”
“I can’t, don’t have a handle.”
“Open the door.”
“I don’t have a handle for the door on this side, can you open it?”
Cop opens the door and asks me, little red in the face, “Do you know why I pulled you over?”
“It wasn’t for speeding because I can’t in this truck.”
“You don’t have a license plate.”
I look at the back glass where it was taped up, and sure enough, it’s gone. “Hang on, let me grab it.” So I search around in the passenger foot well and find the license plate, duct tape still attached. A Cheetos bag is stuck to it. I hand the assembly to the cop. “Sorry mister, it fell down.”
Watch the cop take the license plate, duct tape and Cheeto bag to his car. Could see his shoulders jumping in my rearview, I assume he was laughing his ass off while he radioed that shit in.
Gave me my plate and tape assembly back, told me to fix it, and let me go.
You ever end up in Yankee land, Pittsburgh way, holler at me and we’ll take you out to dinner.
It sounds like you’ve been luckier than most, because in my limited experience personally and my extensive viewing of YouTube videos, it’s so clear that the vast majority of cops in the US are bad cops. Remember, good cops don’t let bad cops do bad things. Bad things include intimidation, lies, crimes, and civil rights violations.
But what about patience? What if cops are only being patient because the law is not on their side? That doesn’t really make them good cops, now does it. For example, if the cop pulls you over and asks you for your license and insurance, of course you have to present it. But you don’t have to present it within 10 seconds. A cop might appear patient because they wait a minute or two, but actually state law probably requires them to do so.
I think it’s also fun to depart from the law and to briefly consider basic morality. If a cop pulls you over and asks you questions, you don’t have to answer any of them. How many cops tell you that before they start asking questions? None. They’re trying to take advantage of the fact that you might not know about, or you might be scared to express your constitutional rights. And the law is on their side, but morality isn’t. We should keep that in mind, because the goal might be or could be to make the country a better place, and not merely to follow Supreme Court rulings.
Yeah totally agree, even the most hardcore customer service falls far short of what cops have to deal with fairly regularly. I’ve never called the cops on a customer and only once or twice has it come close, they have a totally different set of interpersonal boundaries they work within.
I’ve also never been lucky enough to never have had any issues with cops myself apart from a few speeding tickets, I have usually lived in low crime areas and don’t belong to a more at-risk group that gets undue attention. With society changing so much these days I expect things to worsen, police could become more menacing to me or people near me in the future and I find some comfort in studying effective ways of interacting with them, and avoiding conflict with them.
I can respect how hard their job is while having deep concerns for a) the laws they enforce, b) how they are told to enforce them, c) a significant number of bad actors in the departments and leadership, d) a toxic policing culture pervasive in most areas, e) the current culture of gamification of sending the law after people you disagree with, etc…
Occasionally I speak briefly with them in my line of work and have mentioned bodycam youtube to a few of ]them. They seem aware of it and some watch it, some don’t, I figure anything that gives them more reason for self examination is a good thing, but I can also understand that some of them wouldn’t want to relive work over again on their downtime.
I feel like this is a self perpetuating problem: Cops experience bad shit, become cynic and corrupt, which leads to a general attitude that increases bad shit. Repeat a few rounds, and you end up with cops viewing citizens (especially of stereotypical minority groups) as enemies.
I also feel like learning what not to do when interacting with police is helpful for me if I ever get pulled over, etc.
Step 1: don’t be black or brown
Step 2: be rich
Step 3: if you are incapable of steps 1 and 2, be as stupidly polite as possible even if they get rough and hope they don’t shut off their body cams as they beat you half to death for “resisting arrest”
You should check out Audit the Audit. They’re largely focussed on covering police misconduct, but they’re also not afraid of occasionally criticizing those interacting with cops. Every episode comes with a thorough analysis of the legal subtleties involved.
