“If you replace this word in your sentence with the totally different concept I mentally substituted here, your argument is despicable.”
What you suggested was an obvious extrapolation is not obvious to others. You have read into the original argument something that was neither explicitly nor implicitly stated.
You have constructed a strongman argument going from “Spending all day jacking off instead of experiencing physical intimacy with another person is alienating” to “Doing or enjoying indoor or solitary activities is inherently reactionary and communism necessitates extroversion.”
I don’t even necessarily agree with OttoboyEmpire’s argument, but you mischaracterizing it in this way in order to describe it as ableist is absolutely unfair bad faith behaviour on your part.
If you are unable to understand why twisting a comrade’s argument around into something else entirely so that you can call them bigoted is unacceptable and CoC violating behavior, I think we’re done here.
If you’re going to read malicious intent into my genuine confusion, then yes, we’re done here. I would’ve thought that five years on this site would buy me enough goodwill that I’d be allowed to ask for clarification when I apparently misinterpret something, though.
Are you asking for clarification on how Strawmanning is bad faith, or are you asking for clarification on how what you did here was Strawmanning OttoboyEmpire’s argument?
E: Like, I don’t need any help understanding why straw manning is bad. That much is self-evident. I’m just not sure where exactly I made the wrong leap of logic here.
what i understood from the original comment: online porn and the sexualization of everything replaces actual bonding with instant gratification, making people lonely
what you’re claiming they said: jacking off is counterrevolutionary because you do it alone
which is not their point at all. you completely missed the mark
The wrong leap in logic seems to be like, right at the beginning.
Jorking ur peanits for 16 hours is not the same thing as playing a video game or reading a book or spending time with a pet. Are you suggesting that these are equivalent activities? Is this really what you believe to be the substance of OttoboyEmpire’s argument?
Constant, incessant sexual self-gratification and the forgoing of intimacy and interpersonal attachments does mean that one is not in community with other people - this is the concept of alienation.
Not being in community with others, that is being alienated from other people, does not mean you’re somehow reactionary or counter-revolutionary. OttoboyEmpire never suggested that it does.
Is this a thing people actually do all day every day? I’d think the limits of the human body preclude that. But yeah spending all of your time on any given solitary activity is a bad idea.
a world in which you can instantly gratify yourself alone, all the time, in lieu of having to go outside and talk to and then fuck someone else, is one which forgoes the development of constitutive attachments with others, a necessary requirement of community.
Emphasis mine, but literally the exact text you quoted as the upvoted comment which you described as, again directly quoting: “Enjoying solitary activities is counterrevolutionary because communism is about community.”
Nobody but you equated obsessive self-destructive masturbation with enjoying solitary activities. Nobody but you said that it was counter-revolutionary. Nobody but you said that communism is about community.
But yeah, we’re in agreement. Nobody should spend the whole day just doing one thing.
“If you replace this word in your sentence with the totally different concept I mentally substituted here, your argument is despicable.”
What you suggested was an obvious extrapolation is not obvious to others. You have read into the original argument something that was neither explicitly nor implicitly stated.
You have constructed a strongman argument going from “Spending all day jacking off instead of experiencing physical intimacy with another person is alienating” to “Doing or enjoying indoor or solitary activities is inherently reactionary and communism necessitates extroversion.”
Absurd leap to make.
Okay, fine. I want to understand why the word replacement is invalid. Why is masturbation alienating but not other solitary activities?
I don’t even necessarily agree with OttoboyEmpire’s argument, but you mischaracterizing it in this way in order to describe it as ableist is absolutely unfair bad faith behaviour on your part.
If you are unable to understand why twisting a comrade’s argument around into something else entirely so that you can call them bigoted is unacceptable and CoC violating behavior, I think we’re done here.
If you’re going to read malicious intent into my genuine confusion, then yes, we’re done here. I would’ve thought that five years on this site would buy me enough goodwill that I’d be allowed to ask for clarification when I apparently misinterpret something, though.
Are you asking for clarification on how Strawmanning is bad faith, or are you asking for clarification on how what you did here was Strawmanning OttoboyEmpire’s argument?
The latter.
E: Like, I don’t need any help understanding why straw manning is bad. That much is self-evident. I’m just not sure where exactly I made the wrong leap of logic here.
what i understood from the original comment: online porn and the sexualization of everything replaces actual bonding with instant gratification, making people lonely
what you’re claiming they said: jacking off is counterrevolutionary because you do it alone
which is not their point at all. you completely missed the mark
Okay thank you this is the summary I was looking for.
The wrong leap in logic seems to be like, right at the beginning.
Jorking ur peanits for 16 hours is not the same thing as playing a video game or reading a book or spending time with a pet. Are you suggesting that these are equivalent activities? Is this really what you believe to be the substance of OttoboyEmpire’s argument?
Constant, incessant sexual self-gratification and the forgoing of intimacy and interpersonal attachments does mean that one is not in community with other people - this is the concept of alienation.
Not being in community with others, that is being alienated from other people, does not mean you’re somehow reactionary or counter-revolutionary. OttoboyEmpire never suggested that it does.
Is this a thing people actually do all day every day? I’d think the limits of the human body preclude that. But yeah spending all of your time on any given solitary activity is a bad idea.
Emphasis mine, but literally the exact text you quoted as the upvoted comment which you described as, again directly quoting: “Enjoying solitary activities is counterrevolutionary because communism is about community.”
Nobody but you equated obsessive self-destructive masturbation with enjoying solitary activities. Nobody but you said that it was counter-revolutionary. Nobody but you said that communism is about community.
But yeah, we’re in agreement. Nobody should spend the whole day just doing one thing.