• brrt@sh.itjust.works
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    8 hours ago

    Yeah, people become fascists by demagogues tricking them into thinking that their REAL problems can be solved using fascistic means.

    People become zombies by demagogues biting them.

    Are demagogues not zombies? Otherwise it’s kind of a circular argument.

    You can’t make people fascist without lying to them, but lies of that magnitude need critical real world problems to gain traction.

    That’s just wrong. You can if you believe what you are saying is true. I’d say it’s even more likely that you will be successful in spreading ideas if you believe them to be true.

    I could say you lie to people because you demonize fascists. But you believe it’s true. I believe fascism is a symptom and if we really want to get rid of it we need to look at and fix the root causes.

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      6 hours ago

      Clearly you’re ignoring or ignorant that the very core of fascism is not a coherent ideology, but power.

      A fascist politician will contradict his stated beliefs without hesitation if he believes it to be beneficial to his chances of retaining and/or increasing his power.

      It’s not just a Donald Trump thing and it’s not even the exception: pursuit of power and attempts to not lose it is the thing itself.

      The persecution of the Others, the flouting of law and simultaneously systematic and chaotic behavior while proclaiming to be the valiant champion of law and order are not the ideology or the point, it’s just means to an end and the end is power.

      Even the dupes who are tricked into ACTUALLY believing the lies either feel powerless, desire to be powerful, or both. It’s like the regular “poor people considering themselves temporarily embarrassed billionaires” symptom of “normal” conservativism taken to 11 and broadened to include race, ethnicity, nationality, sexuality, gender, and cult membership.