• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    10 hours ago

    Everyone should have empathy for everyone no matter who they are … except for Hitler … and Elon Musk

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      6 hours ago

      Wow. This is just wrong. Wrong on so many levels.
      I mean, you’ve completely missed off tRUMP from that list. How dare you, how very dare you!!??!

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      8 hours ago

      If you truly want everyone to have empathy for everyone no matter what then you can’t make exceptions. If you can make exceptions you allow for others to do so too while maintaining the guise of being empathetic. Even if you, your loved ones or anyone else you deem worthy of empathy are the exception in their eyes.

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        8 hours ago

        If you can make exceptions you allow for others to do so too while maintaining the guise of being empathetic

        That’s a false dichotomy, as pointed out here:

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          7 hours ago

          It’s not about tolerance though. You can both have empathy for someone and not tolerate their behavior.

          If we don’t have empathy for the people we can’t tolerate we will only ever fight symptoms and not root causes.

          This is especially made clear with the example you gave. Because guess what, we have nazis on the rise again.

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            7 hours ago

            In the case of intolerant statements and actions, empathy and tolerance are functionally the same.

            You don’t need to empathize with fascists in order to understand them and the lies they’ve been tricked by/are tricking others with.

            What you need to fight fascism is knowledge about how propaganda works, the underlying societal issues granting fascists an opening, and the strategy and courage to defeat both the fascists and the less obvious people and problems that enabled their rise.

            You CAN empathize with fascists if you have the necessary emotional bandwidth to do so without destroying your own sanity and/or joining them, but it’s not necessary or even helpful when it comes to defeating them.

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              7 hours ago

              the underlying societal issues…

              You gave me so much hope. I really thought you’d say “the underlying societal issues that lead to someone becoming a fascist”. But then…

              …granting fascists an opening

              Where do these fascists come from that are tricking people and look for openings to poison good peoples minds? Are they evil demons sent by Satan himself? Are they just born bad people?

              But hey, you keep on fighting the good fight against these evil humans like you’re on a crusade. I’m sure the current generation of fascists will be the last one if we just keep on doing what we’ve been doing.

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                Yeah, people become fascists by demagogues tricking them into thinking that their REAL problems can be solved using fascistic means.

                In the case of Nazi Germany, rampant poverty and wounded national pride (as well as several other things, but those were the main ones) paved the way for malignant actors like Hitler and his backers to sell them fascism.

                In the case of 2015 and onwards US fascism, gradually ballooning wealth and opportunity inequality, a press that focuses on attention and profits over objective reality and a duty to inform the people of same, a gradual realization by the vast majority of the population that the system is broken, and a two party system where the ratchet effect has been causing a rightward drift of the Overton Window for several decades has enabled Trump and other bad faith actors to convince millions of people that mask off fascism is the solution.

                You can’t make people fascist without lying to them, but lies of that magnitude need critical real world problems to gain traction.

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                  Yeah, people become fascists by demagogues tricking them into thinking that their REAL problems can be solved using fascistic means.

                  People become zombies by demagogues biting them.

                  Are demagogues not zombies? Otherwise it’s kind of a circular argument.

                  You can’t make people fascist without lying to them, but lies of that magnitude need critical real world problems to gain traction.

                  That’s just wrong. You can if you believe what you are saying is true. I’d say it’s even more likely that you will be successful in spreading ideas if you believe them to be true.

                  I could say you lie to people because you demonize fascists. But you believe it’s true. I believe fascism is a symptom and if we really want to get rid of it we need to look at and fix the root causes.

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      11 hours ago

      See, what you don’t understand is he has Divine Right: he was born a Prince, deserving of worship and adulation. His mother told him so.

      /s

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          10 hours ago

          probably disappointment.

          That stupid nazis salute he did has cost him about 100 billion in wealth. probably more. Oh you thought she’s bothered by him being a nazis? naw.

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            10 hours ago

            Oh, no. He’s still The Prince.

            We peasants don’t understand him, and his Divine Mandate.

            And we keep being mean to him!

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    9 hours ago

    Whenever someone uses the expression “How dare you” when something is getting done to them… it really doesn’t sit well with me. It’s like someone should be afraid to do something against them, for some reason. Like they are better than everyone else. Screw that noise.

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      Yeah for me when someone saying that it means that they are saying that it absolutely shouldn’t be happening to them. Usually it is said by people who it should happen to.