Democratic National Committee Chairman Ken Martin will call for DNC officials’ neutrality to be codified in the party’s official rules and bylaws, two Democratic sources tell CNN. Martin has already been telling DNC members of his plans and will explain more in a call with members Thursday afternoon.
. . . “No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election, whether on behalf of an incumbent or a challenger,” Martin told reporters on a call Thursday. “Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.”
The DNC’s Rules & Bylaws committee is expected to vote on Martin’s proposal next month in a virtual meeting. If the committee approves the proposal it will advance to a full vote of the DNC membership in August.
The push for the new rule comes days after Hogg, who beat out a crowded field to become one of three DNC at-large vice chairs in February, announced his plan to help primary incumbent Democrats in safe districts through his group Leaders We Deserve. The organization plans to spend a total of $20 million in next year’s midterms supporting young people running for office.
Hogg stressed that his effort would not target Democrats in competitive districts or use any DNC resources, including voter files or donor lists. He told CNN in an interview last week that he would not endorse in the presidential primaries if he is still a DNC leader.
“I don’t take it personally,” Hogg said of the criticism of his primary challenge. “There’s a difference in strategy here, and the way that we think things need to be done.”
No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election, whether on behalf of an incumbent or a challenger
I’ll believe it when someone gets kicked off the DNC for helping incumbents.
Vote for the young guns in 2028 and get these fuckers out of there
The DNC’s Rules & Bylaws committee is expected to vote on Martin’s proposal next month in a virtual meeting.
That’s what the lawyers are supposed to argue. That prevents Jill Stein from saying she’s a Democrat and then suing because they didn’t give her the presidential nomination.
It may be what lawyers do, but it is not what a democratic system is supposed to do.
If voters decide Jill Stein is what a democrat stands for, she is a Democrat. It’s not up to whoever controls the DNC to decide that she shouldn’t be a candidate.
It’s technically right, but the problem is there’s just one DNC and no other viable party. If you had dozens of viable parties like other western countries, then it would no longer matter that one of them has opaque nomination processes, because there would still be competition on political positions.
It’s a shit sandwich.
But changes to the rules to say no more shit sandwichs will just be ignored.
“Let me be clear, this is not about shielding incumbents or boosting challengers,” Martin said.
Liar liar pants on fire. These people are so steeped in their own bullshit that they can’t even recognize how full of crap they truly are. I’d be willing to bet if this guy could reverse AOC’s win in the primary in her district in New York he would do so.
They say the DNC shouldn’t be choosing candidates, but that’s exactly what they want. The system is designed put establishment candidates in place, and keep them there.
How might registered Democrats and Democrat-aligned Americans support Hogg in this? Is there a good way to get the message across to DNC leadership that we WANT what Hogg is doing? That Hogg’s plan is better for party in every way?
They are not here to deliver what people want. They are here to deliver what they are told. They provide just enough cover so that the people not paying enough attention to them still blindly vote for them.
Abandon democrats while it’s still too late.
Dems have a 23% approval rating for voters under 30. As those voters age the dems better turn that around of they are just doomed. They seem to be changing nothing at all and counting on trump to shoot himself in the foot, but they keep mistaking disapproval of trump with approval of the DNC. Thats not how any of that works. They are well on their way to more losing. Idiots.
They need to do something major to win voters back. Primarying every single Democrat is what is necessary. Make them all earn it.
Primary every dem who doesn’t support ranked-choice-style voting, then primary every future dem that doesn’t work to implement ranked-choice-style voting. Until we abolish the two party system, the choice will always be between a “ruling class” boot licker vs. a worse “ruling class” boot licker.
As a registered democrat (though only because my state requires it to vote in primaries for democrats and I’m certainly not voting republican): pound sand, DNC.
“Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.” Since when has the DNC not put it’s thumb on the scales in the past few decades, or ignored the voters entirely?
DNC thumbing the scales is why we ended up with Trump twice. cause they kept insisting on running candidates no one wanted.
DNC: “Fuck Bernie, it’s her turn.”
Thumb on the scale…? The vote records are public, the primary races haven’t even been close for many decades.
Primary races haven’t been fair for decades.
Disagree, I blame lack of participation.
Am I out of touch?
No, it’s the voters who are wrong.
*gestures to trump in white house
*gestures to the lack of a proper DNC primary
DNC Primaries happen even if you cover your eyes, pal.
Or general systemic failures of the dnc in general
The vote records are public
So is the lawsuit in which democrats successfully argued that they didn’t have to hold honest primaries.
Given that you’ve got about 100 years to play with - who else besides HRC did they put their thumb on the scale for?
Please show your work.
1968? There were literally riots
The loss was perceived to be the result of Johnson and Daley influencing behind the scenes. Humphrey, who had not entered any of the thirteen state primary elections, won the Democratic nomination shortly after midnight, and many delegates shouted, “No! No!” when his victory was announced
If you look at Alexandria Ocacia Cortez’s primary, when the DNC realized what was happening they tried desperately to undo her primary win. Going so far as to endorse the incumbent Democrat who stayed on the ballot due to a technicality.
These people are not trustworthy at all.
Another example would be Biden’s primary win in 2020. The DNC used the pandemic as an excuse to end the primary process early and just declare Biden the winner. And even before that they were heavily pushing Biden on everyone and doing their best to lock Bernie out of just about every poll they conducted, pretending like had no chance even though he was pulling numbers that were equalling, and even surpassing in places, Biden at the time.
Good examples. Both from ~six years ago and not the original claim of “decades” but good examples.
It’s probably easier to count the ones where the DNC didn’t have their thumb on the scale. First, it’s been way less than 100 years since voters even determined who the candidate was; before 1976, primaries were basically just opinion polls, and delegates picked who they wanted regardless of voter input. Also, after the Carter team blamed Ted Kennedy for their loss, the DNC started ostracizing candidates that made primary challenges, so they definitely put their thumb on the scale for incumbents. So off the bat, we’re looking at less than 50 years of primaries, and only in non-incumbent years.
Then the party definitely put its thumb in the scale for Clinton in 2016, Biden in 2020, and they literally just picked Harris in 2024. So, that means that the unbiased primaries would be Carter in '76, Mondale in "84, Dukakis in 88, Clinton in 92, Gore in 2000, Kerry in 2004 (though personally I think they kinda did a hit-job on Howard Dean) and Obama in 2008. Out of 12 primaries in over 48 years, 7 have been open and fair contests. About 58% successful in keeping their thumb off the scale.
Oh, the primary that gave us Obama was biased as hell. For Clinton.
It wasn’t enough. The party learned, though. Which is why they’ve been moving towards not even having primaries when they can just shove a centrist at us and order us to vote like they want.
I haven’t seen any evidence that Bernie should have won the 2016 primary. He was close by like 12% margin, but he still lost by millions of votes.
Bernie’s loss is seen as a direct result of DWS’s committee fuckery by most people on here. Which is not the same as it being true, it just gets a lot more attention.
It’s the case that he didn’t win enough votes. But I think it was the first time he got such good exposure for a national contest.
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I still remember the DNC talking points, along with the media going along with the bullshit superdelegate fuckery to custom the story at the time, radically changing the race. Bernie was absolutely rat fucked by the DNC. I guess people can argue He Isn’T eVeN a ReAL DemoCrat, true, but that just plays into the fuckery.
I mean, to me that isn’t fuckery. They let an independent run on their primary tickets and he only lost by about 12% margin despite not being perfectly aligned with their platform. Hillary might have had a lot of advertisement money to play with but we also know that outside influences were promoting Bernie on social media to create a spoiler effect.
outside influences were promoting Bernie on social media to create a spoiler effect.
Inside influences were promoting Hillary on mainstream media to create a spoiler effect.
You say that like it’s worse lol. Was it unclear that by “outside” I meant “outside of the USA”?
Was it unclear that by “inside”, I meant “inside the DNC”.
The DNC version of neutrality is blocking progressives. Sure they’ll happily codify a rule that Hogg cannot help young progressives primary incumbents election while pretending it’s about actually neutrality and letting the voters choose. But they’ll be just as happy to throw that rule out when they want to support some Republican in sheep’s clothing to kick out a progressive next time around.
The single most important job of the DNC is keeping corporate candidates in office and keeping the money flowing. These fuckos have never been impartial. Anyone else still pissed at fucking Hoyer and the DCCC trying to get the progressive candidate to drop out of a primary?
From the above recording, Tellemann to Hoyer: “So before we, before we go any further on that, Crow is the favorite, in no small part Congressman Hoyer, because the DCCC not only put its finger on the scale, but started jumping on the scale very early on…I mean, it’s undemocratic to have a small elite select someone and then try to rig the primary against the other people running. And that is basically what’s been happening”
This was after the DNC had rat fucked Bernie, foisted Hillary on everyone, and lost to the serial failure, Fuckhead.
For what it’s worth: I just copied this from my response on the other thread with the same article.
Hogg isn’t looking for young progressives. He idolizes Pelosi, Clinton, Jeffries. The do-nothing incumbents he wants to replace are useless, true. But he wants to replace them with younger versions of centrist corporatists, not progressives.
The guillotine party needs to remove him along with the rest of the DNC leadership.
I’m sorry where are you getting this information from? Everything I’ve read about him says he’s progressive and looking for progressive candidates. He’s a very staunch gun control advocate (I think you’d be shocked at how many corporate Democrats are not). Which is understandable because he was a survivor of a school gun massacre.
I’m sorry where are you getting this information from?
From his own statements about various prominent Democrats. When I talk about useless Democratic fossils, I’m referring to people like Nancy Pelosi, yet he calls her “effective” and a “fighter”. She’s not. She hasn’t been “progressive” in over 40 years. The centrist, corporatist leaders he supports should tell you he wants a younger version of the same corporatist party.
Disarming in the face of fascism is ludicrous. Gun control is not a progressive issue. Go far enough to the left, and we want our guns again.
I think you’d be shocked at how many corporate Democrats are not.
Every corporate democrat supports gun control. Gun control is keeping the party locked in the center. Every time we start gaining traction on progressive issues like universal healthcare, punitive marginal tax rates, wealth/securities taxes, or anything else to wrestle power away from oligarchy, the old-guard corporate lapdogs trot out gun control to stall any leftward movement and drive the party right back to the center.
I’m sure that’s why centrists are suddenly freaking out.
That’s a lot of accusing there. And Hogg is going to help through his PAC anyway.
And Hogg is going to help through his PAC anyway.
And he’ll probably be stripped of his position in the DNC for it.
Martin told reporters on a call Thursday “Voters should decide who our primary nominees are, not DNC leadership.”
So they’re doing away with superdelegates? Ope wait, nope, Martin is just full of hot air.
Superdelegates don’t vote in the primaries. And it’s presidential only. And they only comprise 15% of the delegates.
Funny. The corporate press counted them at the start of 2016 when Clinton needed a boost.
No DNC officer should ever attempt to influence the outcome of a primary election
Yeah, the DNC would never do that.
Looking at YOU 2016…
Don’t forget 2020
And 2022. They did ad buys for republican candidates in the primaries and then gleefully announced that they had no money for progressive candidates in the general.
uh huh.
if bernie actually did the work to attract me actual base of the party, which by the way are not college age kids but black people, specifically black women, he would not have lost the primary.
and since that election he had another 4 years to work on his extreme deficit with black voters, but had zero outreach with that cohort. instead he doubled down on the youth vote.
that’s not a strategy to win a primary. but it’s a perfect strategy to try to split off young voters into not supporting the democratic choice in the future. and not shutting down conspiracy theories about rigged primaries doesn’t help either. what it does is create distrust where there shouldn’t be, fracture the party to turn against itself instead of the real threat which is the republican party, and in fact increase the chances that republicans win in greater margins because the super bernie side refuses to be smart and do damage limitation by not voting for the viable non republican candidate.
and by the way a few additional things that need to be considered:
- if he wants the democratic nomination, why doesn’t he formally join the party? what he was asking for has been equal access to resources without a full commitment to the party. you all would rightfully object if I declared I’m running for president as a democrat even though I’m a registered non partisan. what makes him any different from me as far as the party is concerned?
- it really is rich how you are all upset about the democrats (allegedly) putting the thumb on the scale for a candidate so now there is a pledge that all people in dnc leadership have to agree to that formally states that leadership will be neutral in all party races from now on. so which is it, you don’t want the dnc influencing races or do you not want the voters in the districts to decide who their candidates should be without party influences?
- you also all think that the super progressive democratic candidate will play everywhere in the country. sure, it may work where I live. but I’m a blue® dot in a state trump won by 31 points. you have to run candidates that will win and super liberals in places like appalachia, oklahoma, or wyoming would consider it a good race if they lost by 50 points.
what it seems like to me is that what the vast majority of people here want is to destroy the democratic party from the ground up in the name of a stupid purity test the vast majority of the party does not agree with, and they want to do it while the most dangerous, insane person who is also the head of a violent cult is in the white house. you’re trying to make your own left wing cult with either bernie or aoc as the head and the rest of the party is not with that.
as I said above I’m not a registered democrat. I find myself politically closer to aoc and bernie. and I’M telling y’all that following and supporting hogg’s move will end the democratic party or any viable non republican party for generations.
Pictures of Bernie getting arrested protesting for civil rights contrasted with Biden’s fight against school integration should have been enough to put that to rest. But people are going to believe what they believe. If the fact that the DNC is corrupt, had a lawsuit they won about not being open (kind of like that Fox News lawsuit where they didn’t have to report the truth), and that the DNC bullshit has been a factor in getting that orange fuckhead elected twice isn’t enough, I’m not sure where to go from there.
Black women are not the base of the party, that’s a common misconception.
In 2023, just 14.4% of the US population identified as black. Women are just over 50% of that.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/fact-sheet/facts-about-the-us-black-population/
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045224#PST045224
So Just over 7% of the US population are black women. You don’t win elections catering to 7% of the population. Even if they all vote for you, which they won’t, a party can’t survive on 7%.
The Democratic party represents 45.1 million people out of 186.5 million people registered to vote. 24.18% of the voting population.
https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-voters-have-a-party-affiliation/
No no. See the Democrats need to only hyper focus on specific groups or even just specific counties in states cause their brother they paid 3 million dollars to to consult on their campaign said their intern ran a computer model and decided that was a group they could pick up more votes in. And don’t you know hyper specific identity politics is clearly more superior to general pro-citizen policies that would support a wider populace cause aiming for a wide audience is something only Republicans can do.
We just have to be excited for the flavor of the week getting their extra attention and hyper specific to the point of unhelpful policies if we vote DNC.
Yeah I would second the view, if it weren’t for decades of the opposite of the DNC bending over backwards for it’s incumbants. If they had a history of staying neutral and not regularly backing the incumbents. But as they do… then the opposite needs to happen.
I wouldn’t mind then backing the incumbents, if the incumbents had any fucking spine to stand up to the Republicans.
well yeah… backing should be merit based not seniority based. You’ve been there 30 years, and no one knows what the hell you are doing, you’ve not fought for anything we want. Get lost… if you’re still backing good policies, standing up for what’s right and making people happy, stick around as long as you want.
A bit of why I fear the general concept of term limits. Bernie sanders is still far and away one of the best in congress. He’s old as fuck, been there forever… but easilly in the top 5 most active senators…
Yeah I would second the view, if it weren’t for decades of the opposite of the DNC bending over backwards for it’s incumbants.
For centrist incumbents. Henry Cuellar gets protection. Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman do not.
Debbie NEVER Could’ve
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Pretty sure they got the memo
They did not get the memo; they saw a credible effort to threaten their chokehold on national politics and want to shut it down on a technicality. There’s literally no reason to believe this is an act of good faith; if it was they wouldn’t have elected Hoggs to the position of DNC vice chair in the first place.
This is the same DNC fucks that did this?
Fuck off with you request for ‘Neutrality Now’.
I hope this kid haunts their fucking nightmares. Cunts.
He’s going end up killed when he gets “robbed” while jogging some night soon
Breitbart
Well, it was kind of a joke, but maybe not.
Fascinating stuff.
I am not American (have previously lived in North America for a decade and travelled extensively in the region), but based on my experiences this is a very good example of how the US centre-right opposition is completely unqualified for any kind of real action. They clearly lack the risk tolerance and gumption to deal with current internal challenges in their country.
Yep! As an American who has been active in local Dem party activity, they need to be rooted out and replaced. It’s really our best hope.
They clearly lack the risk tolerance and gumption to deal with current internal challenges in their country.
I didn’t get that from the article. I thought the article was showcasing some real gumption to change things, something the RNC would never dream of in a million years (or need to).
Respect to David Hogg. I meant this in a more broader perspective.
I am comparing to global examples. One would be Hong Kong. They failed, but they actually were able to shut down the local airport for a short period.
Or say the initial phase of the Syrian revolution. The population openly protested against a brutal regime that was in power for many decades and there were many examples of their brutality.
I specifically chose failed or highly controversial situations (to highlight how a fight for freedom involves scary and painful choices, this is not a movie). From my experience living in the US, I thought local risk tolerance was low. On a certain level, the US is too well off to have the motivation for resistance (be it mass scale ptotest, 10% of pop or more, weekly protest or violent rebellion).
I don’t know how to say it diplomatically, but true fight for freedom doesn’t seem like the American way.
Things will get progressively worse for more Americans soon enough. Those who are hip to the scene already probably can’t accelerate the process of awakening that will come. We are all Cassandra here. It hella sucks.
Economic doldrums if not depression, pandemics and a fragmented response in the coming autumn if not sooner.
Accelerating assaults on due process.
New public enemy groups generated at will.
All them that know can do is build capacity to organize as the general realization emerges. It won’t happen soon enough for my taste. We are trying to redirect a high mass object and even in politics, the physics here is clear.
My plan is to be as social as I know how to be this summer. It’s not escapism. I’m building my network.
Hopefully also getting laid.
The first rule of the rebellion is to be sure that at least the sex is good.
See? They can push back on something.
