• felykiosa@sh.itjust.works
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    The Chinese communism revolution killed a shit lot of peoples. I hate capitalism but you have to be objective .also there were less comunism countries to begin with so yeah you can do what you want with statistics but its worth nothing more than a cry/Chad wojack

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      Meanwhile in the real world

      Between 1950 and 1980, China experienced the most rapid sustained increase in life expectancy of any population in documented global history. We know of no study that has quantitatively assessed the relative importance of the various explanations proposed for this gain in survival. We have created and analysed a new, province-level panel data set spanning the decades between 1950 and 1980 by combining historical information from China’s public health archives, official provincial yearbooks, and infant and child mortality records contained in the 1988 National Survey of Fertility and Contraception. Although exploratory, our results suggest that gains in school enrolment and public health campaigns together are associated with 55-70 per cent of China’s dramatic reductions in infant and under-5 mortality during our study period. These results underscore the importance of non-medical determinants of population health, and suggest that, in some circumstances, general education of the population may amplify the effectiveness of public health interventions.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/

      Should do an AMA on what it’s like to put those clown shoes on every morning.

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        Wow calm down you know you can talk normally to people , you dont need to insult them. Also I dont know if I m a clown but at least I know that when you tell to every peoples who make food : go make iron , it dont go very well at least on the moment. Also this does not contradict the fact that this graphic is based on data that is not worth comparing because the number of country /time spend under Communism and capitalism are completely different .

        Edit: Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine so yeah 30MILLION DEATH ,more than WW2 , so I wasnt even wrong

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          I love how when faced with an actual paper showing how life expectancy increased, you counter with wikipedia further highlighting your intellectual prowess. The idiocy of your “argument” is to ignore what life expectancy was like BEFORE the revolution, and the fact that famines were already a common occurrence. If you spend a bit of time actually understanding the subject before opining on it, then you’ll be able to avoid making a clown of yourself in public in the future. Maybe start by actually reading the paper I linked.

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      You’re literally blaming communists for the deaths of a civil war with multiple factions and you’re compaining about being objective lmao. Are you even aware of the conditions that led to the civil war in China? These events do not happen in a vacuum you know?

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        Actually I’m blaming China for thinking they could kill birds without repercussions. Turns out, that kills people. Like, millions of people. But capitalism bad bc reasons

        /thread

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          Máo was particularly annoyed by the Eurasian Tree Sparrow (Passer montanus, 树麻雀) part of the diet of which was grain. Chinese scientists had calculated that each sparrow consumed 4.5kg of grain each year — and that for every million sparrows killed, there would be food for 60,000 people. Armed with these statistics, Máo launched the Great Sparrow Campaign to address the problem.

          […]

          The campaign against the sparrows was finally terminated in late 1959 when the Academy of Sciences leaders highlighted the findings of scientists such as Zhu Xi and Zheng Zuoxin. Zhu and Zheng had autopsied the digestive systems of sparrows and found that three-quarters of the contents were harmful insects and only one-quarter was human food. This showed that sparrows were beneficial for humans.

          On this advice from the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Máo declared a complete halt to the Great Sparrow Campaign, replacing sparrows with “bed bugs” in the “Four Pests” campaign. Suddenly sparrows were not just protected but the domestic population was supplemented by imports of sparrows from [Soviet] Russia!

          Eventually, after several years of poor crop yields, the situation began to improve. The number of people who starved in the 1958–1961 famine is disputed — and it’s impossible to say how much of the disaster was caused by the extermination of sparrows — but there can be no doubt that this episode is a stark lesson about the unintended consequences of human interference into natural ecosystems.

          (Source.)

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      If we are to be 100% objective, the Chinese Revolution also saved millions. Life expectancy doubled, and hundreds of millions have been lifted out of poverty. We also know that the Black Book of Communism has long been debunked, it included made up numbers, Nazis killed during World War II as victims of Communism, and non-births as deaths.

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        We also know that the Black Book of Communism has long been debunked

        According to Wikipedia, even a few of its own co-authors have denounced it, saying the main author was obsessed with inflating the numbers.