Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
It’s mindblowing how anyone still genuinely thinks what he did was anything but.
“iT wAs A rOmAn sALuTe” oh you mean the “salute” that appears in exactly one painting from the 1700s, long after the Roman empire had fallen?
There are videos of people being asked to recreate it, and while most refuse to do it (because of the implication), some add their own flourish to make it look like something else. That should tell you everything you need to know.
And was the direct inspiration for the Nazi salute.
Indirect inspiration. Hitler got it from Mussolini, who got it from Gabriele d’Annunzio, who got it from a Broadway production of Ben-Hur, which got it from the US Pledge of Allegiance, which got it from the painting.
Interesting. Do you have a source on that? I’d like to research this more.
The painting? I believe it.
Looks like people reaching out for swords rather than a salute to me. The Nazis played some mental gymnastics to get to where they are.
That was my thought when I first saw it. If it was a real salute, don’t you think the soldiers would be more uniform in their portrayed appearances?
If that’s a Roman Salute, then what happened to Richard Spencer was a “Roman Face Massage”
What happened to him?
He got punched in the face for being a white supremacist dickhead.
Excellent.
Forgot about that! Who’s got it?
Can’t really really refute painterly proof.
My coworker is convinced it was just ‘my heart to you!’ and to him is why he no longer trusts the news. It’s crazy to watch educated people get sucked into the alt right misinformation hole.
Show them this and ask again. It’s probably not going to change their answer, but there will be a moment of confusion that passes behind their eyes as they try to reconcile reality with their beliefs.
Your coworker is a nazi who hasn’t come out yet.
Does he ever tell people his heart goes out to them in the same way?
Not that I know of…
The one that always gets people to accept reality for me is
“If it’s just “My heart goes out to you!”, then do it in public and see what happens, do it at work and see if you still have a job.”
Are they an engineer?
They aren’t, no.
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Having been on several bar trivia teams, I can say that at least 80% of Americans know virtually nothing about history. I could imagine someone with only a vague familiarity with a Nazi salute just assuming there’s no way a fortune 500 CEO would actually do one, not recognizing how spot on of a Hitler impression that was.
Its noted in the wikipedia page for the ADL that since 2014 it’s chair has been a silicon valley tech CEO
Referring to this? The Anti-Defamation League is a joke.
If he didn’t mean it it would be very simple to at the very least post a tweet afterwards saying he’s sorry for the misunderstanding and that he didn’t mean it to look thay way. Like any innocent person would do in that situation.
The fact he didn’t shows all you need to know.
ADL Logic: Drinking milk is racist, the Hitler salute is not.
Yup.
It’s obvious deflection. Don’t engage. They have to convince themselves and by giving them the time of day they win.
It’s disgusting that people have to have this discussion at all.
Who am I gonna believe? The right-wing choads who are gaslighting us about this, or my lying eyes?
Just watched it again. I didnt remember it being that obvious…
It’s not ambiguous.
In the past two months, while some of y’all motherfuckers have been busy arguing over whether it was a Nazi salute or not, this guy and his orange fucko have been dismantling the Constitution in real time. But sure—carry on. This debate is clearly way more important.
Goddamnit.
Dammit! I was so busy all this time worrying about whether an extremely obvious Nazi salute was a Nazi salute, I didn’t even notice all that other stuff that nobody has been talking about at all.
Breaking: Elon Musk’s daughter has eyes and a working brain.
True, but shed also particularly able to speak on his mens rea. She’s spoken openly about how even when she was young he was bigoted and cruel. So while many of us may have witnessed a man get radicalized by the right wing as he lost his damn mind which might lead some to think it was him being edgy or something, she’s able to say that no, he in his private life as a man who was merely rich was a massive shit stain.
who the fuck still thinks it wasn’t …
All Republicans. My idiot sister. She’s like “I watched it” as if that’s proof it wasn’t? If the white superiority groups are applauding your actions, you’re in the wrong. That quieted her down but it didn’t change her mind. She thinks we’re all over reacting.
I will say, it’s not all republicans. And I mean this in a “there’s still the slightest sliver of hope” kind of way, bc my church is hella republican leaning, with lots of old people, and they’re all fucking pissed at Trump and Elon. Like they’re calling him King Trump (mockingly) and a lot of them have complained about Elon doing the hitler salute. And yes, they’re the idiots that voted for him and are now complaining that he’s doing exactly what he said he’d do but this is our best time to try to push them back towards “normal” republicans rather than the openly fascist ones
Yeah, she “begrudgingly” voted for Trump, just like the people you’re talking about. My parents on the other hand, lifelong Republicans, voted Harris. Sure “not all Republicans” but it is all the ones who voted for Trump. There’s no excuse for them to have voted for him the second time. I am sympathetic to Republicans who held their nose and voted red the first time, but it’s a different party now.
Doesn’t matter, these idiots would still vote for him tomorrow if they had the chance.
If she really watched it, she would have seen him turn around and do another Nazi salute to the crowd behind him.
My brother. He thinks it was just a normal heartwarming gesture and people are just finding reasons to hate on him. I had a… Pretty bad argument with him over it.
I personally know at least a few people that honest to god think it was a wave. You cannot reason with these people.
TV: Do you ever feel scared? He’s the richest man in the world.
VW: He’s a pathetic man-child. Why would I feel scared of him? Ohhh, he has so much power. Nah, nah, nah. I don’t give a fk. Why should I be scared of this man? Because he’s rich? Oh, no, I’m trembling. Ooh, shivering in my boots here. I don’t give a fk how much money anyone has. I don’t. I really don’t. He owns Twitter. Okay. Congratulations.
Absolutely based. The pathetic man-child was probably fuming when reading those lines. :)
While slowly dancing to the tune of The WMV Took My Baby Away
(WMV: woke mind virus)
This is the sort of person who would taunt her ex father by saying “shoot coward you’re only going to kill a woman” and I’m here for it
Yeah, we know.
Everyone that isn’t braindead or a pathetic shill knows.
It definitely was. He’s apartheid nepo baby. Autistic or not, he’s racist and a terrible asshole. Also a nazi.
If he’s autistic, that can be dangerous when mixed with narcissism. There’s research showing a link between it and mass shootings (practical example here). Possibly due to some autistic people thinking in polarised extremes, having poor social skills and lacking effective empathy.
That’s an exceptionally dangerous claim to make; it’s going to cause people to further alienate people that are on the autism spectrum. When you look at the report that the US Secret Service released on mass shootings (I’d have to find it; I’ve got a copy saved somewhere), autism spectrum disorder is not listed as a factor, while things like divorced parents is.
Perhaps you missed the part that said, “[Forensic psychiatrist Dr Iain Kooyman] found Prosper had an ‘extreme lack’ of empathy and remorse - something that could not be explained by ASD alone.”
And, BTW, people on the autism spectrum lack effective empathy, not empathy. That means that a person on the spectrum has a reduced ability to understand what a person is experiencing or feeling, not that they don’t feel empathy when they do know.
Youre right, I should have said effective empathy or similar, I’ll edit my comment. As a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate you pulling me up on it. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
And I agree, autism doesn’t explain mass violence or cruelty.
I think it can be dangerous because of the presentation, and singling out ASD.
There’s lots of otherwise harmless things can become danger multipliers.
Being sleepy is harmless. Driving a car is very slightly dangerous. Being sleepy while driving a car is incredibly dangerous.
Being on the spectrum isn’t dangerous at all. Radicalized people can be slightly dangerous. Sociopaths can be fairly dangerous. Gun ownership can be slightly dangerous. Radicalized sociopaths with guns on the spectrum are worth worrying about.
But the solution isn’t singling out the ASD, but other factors that can be more effectively controlled.
There’s discussion in this thread re him having autism, I should have mentioned that. Did you see that I said when mixed with narcissism it can be dangerous? I’m not saying neurodiverse people are dangerous.
Oh, I totally get it. You’re all good. I’m saying that presenting it in that manner is dangerous, not that you’re necessarily presenting it that way.
Yes, and I appreciate you pulling me up on it. I should have made it clear.
At least provide some scientific data to back up any claim like this. Posting this is an extremely harmful claim to make regardless, but to do so with a “practical example” is not only incredibly offensive it has the potential to be profoundly harmful. Please consider providing real data for your claims or editing your post entirely.
No problem at all, and as a disabled and neurodiverse person, I really appreciate your concern. I’m at work so I’ve only got a few papers to hand but there’s:
Kenyon, Baker-Really and Binder - lone actor terrorism, a systematic literature review. Ebbrecht - risk factors and mechanisms of radicalisation in lone actor grievance fuelled violence. Broad- incels, violence and mental disorder
Tysm for your information, I will look over these and follow up 👍
Np. Lone actor grievance fuelled violence is pretty interesting as a topic.
a comment on reddit, said vivian had less gender affirming care than elon musk.
I don’t know what that means exactly, but I’m intrigued.
It refers to the cosmetic enhancements he has had done to make him feel more comfortable in his own body. The most obvious being his hair plugs.
Everyone who isn’t a fascist or gaslit by wealthy nepo babies agrees
Do we really need her opinion on this? I mean we all know what it was, I mean we might as well ask the baker at this point and make an article?
Her statement isn’t for you. It’s for all the Trumpanzees that are still in denial.
You have a higher chance of winning the lottery than a Trumpanzee listening to a trans woman.
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The ADL saying it wasn’t makes me believe it was even harder, I mean literally they’re the same organization that said cartoon frogs, drinking milk, and McDonalds Mascots were all racist dogwhistles and that telling Israel not to kill Arabic Children is basically denying the Holocaust.
I think it’s time to stop caring about anything this organization says.
The potential side effects of ketamine include dissociative experiences that may lead to confusion or impaired motor coordination, cognitive disturbances, and, with repeated misuse, the risk of developing a substance use disorder.
I don’t see turning into a goddamn Nazi on that list
It’s in there. Being completely divorced from reality and convinced that every fever dream is truth leads to some strange places.
Yes that’s by design it’s literally a dissociative - that does not explain this behavior, at all. Also the research isn’t there for abuse, the only large scale studies have been from illegal street use, typically much higher quantity and much riskier quality than a clinical setting. I’m done trying to defend ketamine from you guys it’s obviously the easiest scapegoat you can find but you’re doing real harm here, on top of the harm this asshole has already done
There was a porn star whose ketamine addiction led to a series of events which resulted in a vegetative state. She shows signs of consciousness but no signs of intelligence just like musky
Source?
If you could maybe find a credible source - but regardless this woman was disabled in rehab, the syndrome described in the article is not linked to ketamine use in any credible way
Daily mail has done legit journalism in the past. The problem is that 90 percent of their content is salacious trash. But in this case they literally just copied their sources here so you can find the og on your own.
Yes you are right. But if you reread what I wrote i pointed out that ketamine wasnt the cause. But it was her ketamine addiction which put her in rehab. And while she was in rehab she had the medical issue.
I appreciate the gentle correction re: your original comment, I definitely just glossed that. My bad.
I appreciate that you are trying to get good sources and promote truth. Thank you for being nice too.
To be honest, you’d have to be very stupid to belive otherwise.
I suspect 90% of the people who want to give him the benefit of “doubt” when there actually is none, is very well aware of what he did.They are.
Everyone knows it was not one, but two, Nazi salutes.
The people who won’t accept it are either trying to cover for their team, or are too full of pride to admit they support Nazis, or both.
My mother both fully denounces nazi-ism and does not believe musk did a Nazi salute.
There are still people who are brainwashed unfortunately. Whether willfully or not, is another discussion.
His arm says “Nazi”, but his actions? His actions say “Super Nazi”.
Elon and Trump’s actions are indeed more nationalist, but we should not confuse it with nazism, that had nationalism as one of its traits but was much more than that. The genocidal part is what makes them evil, not the nationalism part.
If we take seriously the notion that nationalism = nazism, then China would qualify.
Oh for fuck sakes, the nazis were nazis long before they revealed any mass murder plans. In many ways the original nazis were more circumspect than this group of shit gibbons.
Just read any reasonably serious definition of fascism, which ‘nazi’ is a synonym for in casual international English.
PSA - the comment history of the user you responded to shows they are clearly either a really mediocre troll or have had their brain melted to a severe degree. You might improve your Lemmy experience by blocking them 👍
Indeed! And thanks. I was more responding to potential readers of the thread who might be in a vulnerable state of mind, but a block is now appropriate.
These guys are genocidal and the nationalism part does make them evil.
Borders aren’t real my guy
Well thats one member of the Musk family I can understand and who seems like a decent human being.
Hope she manages to get away from that cringe fucker as soon as possible.
The article literally said she doesn’t associate with him or his family. Seems like she’s away from him…
But damn… I can’t imagine what it would be like to be trans and have your dad as the most prominent and powerful Nazi in the world, spearheading a sham federal org called DOGE that is basically eliminating all reference to people like you and firing people like you in the most powerful country in the world.
So many layers to that experience, I imagine.
It really sounds like the plot of a kids movie.
I mean, ya know, aside from the Nazis. But just having an extremely powerful, single parent, and being a young woman who is everything that he’s against.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Especially that she’s becoming a rather loud voice of reason (and against her biodad), and that voice is amplified by sole fact of having half his chromosomes.
It would be neat if Vivian becomes President AOC’s successor. Here’s hoping we shift tracks onto that timeline.
It would…but I think the union would shatter first. We’ve never even had a white AFAB president.
Hmm, yeah, I can’t see Disney ever making a kids’ film with Nazis in it.
Even with the Nazis, I could see Disney making a movie like this.
Eh maybe you used to, now they’ve swung hard in the opposite direction. Cancelling their LGBT projects and doing Christian ones instead to try to win back the Right.
It’s gonna flop, that ship sailed ages ago… and they’re still doing shit like Live Action Snow White
If he’s abusive, she was maybe a target for it. Gender queer kids often get targeted by the perp cos they’re different.
Yeah she’s spoken on it
That’s sad but unsurprising
Wow it’s literally 1984! Can I get your autograph?
Are you proud to see your predictions on where humanity will go come to reality?
Its fashinating how humans build societies they dont want to live in. Who else does that… :)
