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I guess that means they don’t have an XBox or play a lot of PC games? Maybe they prefer Nintendo or PlayStation?
I too would be wary of anyone working at Microsoft (or Oracle, or Salesforce, or SoftTech, or Tata or a bank).
Speaking as a developer myself, it’s likely not the devs’ fault that Teams is as shit as it is. They are all intimately familiar with its shortcomings and are perfectly able and willing to fix them, but are prevented from doing so by management who insist that shovelling crapware down their customers’ throats is far more important.
Honestly, what I find frustrating with Teams is that both MSN Messenger and Skype were right there. It’s not even an issue of copyright or trademark as MS owns both. Even just lazily re-branding Skype would have been head-and-shoulders above what we have now.
Teams is the evolution of the excellent Microsoft Lync which then became the horrible Skype for Business which then was replaced by the superior Microsoft teams.
What is it people don’t like about Teams? It’s mostly about integration with SharePoint
It’s that. It’s been a hot minute, but (IIRC) for me it was the less-than-great UI/UX that really adds up to a high friction experience. Especially when compared with software like Slack or Discord.
Then again, in a world that needs developers badly everywhere, a developer that stays in a job where management forces them to maintain crappy software, is an idiot (or plain greedy). /also a developer
The job market is pretty shit for a world that supposedly needs developers everywhere.
We need them badly, just not enough to pay not shit wages
Not in Europe - for now. Will be different of course if fascist America murders us all over here. Or Putler. Doesn’t make much of a difference in the end…
tbf though, which other Microsoft project could he have said that would not have gotten himself kicked out?
Clippy designer.
The whole notion of LSP has been nice.
C# is a decent language. I’ll stick with Java because the api ecosystem is so vast.
Flight Simulator maybe. Age of Empires… not sure how much they are tied into that anymore though
Did you see the launch of flight sim 2024?
No, what happened (gets popcorn)
Well, they decided to launch mostly via cloud, which greatly reduced my install requirements, however, it also didn’t work, and had input issues. The servers couldn’t handle load at launch(shocking).
They also added weird sounding AI voice over to everything that sucks.
Then, they promised backward compatibility with any aircraft purchased in 2020 and launched 2024 without a content manager or the said backward compatibility.
That’s only scratching the surface too. I think it should and would have been delayed if 2024 wasn’t in the title and Microsoft would have had to eat crow if it didn’t release in 24.
Shit, that blows. Make a decent product for over 40 years and didn’t think to load test and have everything proper for launch. That’s sad
Mouse without borders is pretty rad
Better him than whatever sewer dweller is responsible for Amazon chime.
What a pile of garbage. That we rely on teams at my org causes me endless frustration.
We are using Zoom, not sure which is worst.
I’ve used Teams, Zoom, Google Meet. Teams is the worst.
The only real issue I have with zoom is how it immediately dumps you into the call with your previous settings. Sometimes (most times) I’d rather start with the microphone muted. I’m not a regular user though, just when third party meetings get kicked off.
Why does it have to be so heavy
What else could he say to not be thrown out? Dude works at Microsoft
“I killed Clippy”?
“I worked on Space Cadet.”
Doesn’t windows have a software repository type thing now that attempts to do the whole Linux thing?
Or maybe a developer for Excel? People seem to like Excel.
I had to use Teams for a hybrid conference. I used a Black Magic ATEM as my capture and the team’s camera kept crashing. Checked every setting imaginable. Yet when I used OBS Virtual Camera as my video source and used the ATEM through OBS there wasn’t a problem.
Teams is one of those things I don’t understand why companies use. Just why
Because it’s bundled in their office subscriptions
When I used to install collaboration systems, the main thing clients would tell me why they chose say a Logitech Rally with MS Teams over Cisco and WebEx was it’s cheaper. With that said you can setup a Cisco Room Kit with Teams integration.
Microsoft bundles all of their software in a way that makes it much more expensive to pick and choose which software you want from Microsoft and which one you would want from someone else. It’s a very similar strategy to that of Adobe.
Because they needed a way to attempt to micromanage during COVID, and to do it ASAP.
Teams has even an internal micromanager that reports to your boss how “productive” you have been (read, how fast you are typing in Office apps).
Do you have a source on this?
His arse, probably.
Almost certainly. If people saw how little I actually do on most days I wouldn’t have a job. I just call myself then switch my status back to available so my dot stays green all day.
Because it’s essentially free and hooks into the existing MS tools for data retention, data loss prevention, security monitoring, etc.
Bloated piece of shit. Can we just use Matrix?
I used Planner in the past. Its integration with teams makes a webcam pointed at a white board a lot better.
Planner can no longer be connected to outlook and thus probably no longer to teams as well. Though I am not exactly sure a fan of any of these, connecting Planner was helpful.
Nope, planner is still integrated into teams. My department uses it regularly.
New Outlook? It’s the only one I can use nowadays but there seems to be no way anymore.
What’s wrong with teams? I use it everyday and it’s fine.
The interface is terrible and nothing works like it should. Example. So I’ve got a shared folder which I set up in Teams and I mount it in OneDrive. I used OneDrive to populate it, ignoring the folder called “General” because what’s the fucking point of that? You can’t delete the “General” folder which seemed odd. So I’ve been happily sending out links to documents in my file structure, not realising that my colleagues had no idea there was even a folder structure there. The reason? Fucking Teams defaults to showing the empty “General” folder so people think there’s nothing there. I can’t move stuff into it because it would break the links. I can’t create a shortcut because they don’t work in teams - it just downloads a file when you click on it. So I’ve created a file in “general” with the title “click on the link next to the word General above to get to the files.txt”. Very professional. And don’t get me started on the miserable abomination that is Outlook.
And people have the absolute fucking gall to say that open source UI is bad.
Look, I truly mean this as softly as possible, because Teams does not in any way make this shit easy, but you are using it wrong.
Teams groups should have Sharepoint sites (on Azure) backing them, and are meant to be interacted with through the Office 365 online SharePoint “portal” thing if you need more than you can do through the Teams UI.
Why in the hell Microsoft has both OneDrive and SharePoint is one of the universe’s stupidest and most confounding mysteries.
And in my experience, links to the documents through sharepoint do auto redirect/correct/stay working if you move the files around within the same sharepoint site, as long as the person opening the link still has rights to open stuff in the new location. If they didn’t, I have a large project with a lot of interlinked documents that would have gotten absolutely fucked.
OneDrive also tends to do really fucky shit with that top level folder structure. Like trying to save things in the root of my onedrive that isn’t synced instead of in the synced documents folder I always save to. Anyway, I stay away from using OneDrive as itself as much as possible and just use the automatic folder sync/redirect and interact with my local drive like OneDrive doesn’t exist and my documents folder is magically synced across multiple machines by a capricious spirit. Don’t even get me started on how it handles fucking one note stuff stored in onedrive when you browse through the web ui. Just fucking madness.
But if you’re concerned, just make the only thing in the general folder a link to where shit really is. Probably the easiest solution.
The problem stems from Microsoft products not working with each other in the way you would expect. I don’t mind SharePoint and OneDrive both existing - they have different use cases, but add in teams for accessing files as well, and it all gets very complicated, and things start not working like you think they should.
On a personal level, I find most Microsoft products a confusing mess these days. Outlook on browser is insanely awful. The ribbon thing in office is just random.
The one thing that hasn’t terrible is VS Code. It does get a bit random in places, but mostly it’s pretty intuitive and nice to use.
I feel like you’re the only person making sense. I work for a big corp that has a competent IT department. We shifted over to teams from Skype after COVID like a lot of other companies. There were some growing pains especially with some of the older folks at work but honestly it’s been a net benefit. I have my personal gripes but my company is over 20k people and our implementation of the system is honestly awesome for corporate work.
Everything now is linked through our SharePoint site and smaller org based teams groups within that. We each control our own little micro site within the greater whole and it’s much easier to share things between groups vs sending directory links through email or Skype. It’s much more secure as I can control the permissions of files I share when I make the link. Very helpful when communicating with outside vendors. Timed permissions are really nice too as I can share access to a file for a certain amount of time before they have to request more access. Auto save has saved my ass tons of times but that’s more of a SharePoint thing. But it does cause Excel sheets to calculate slower which is a big bummer and a tradeoff.
Does teams fuck up sometimes, ya it does. Especially when sending pictures or videos but fuck I don’t know how you would even run a huge org like ours without something that is this integrated. People that complain about teams on Lemmy have interacted with it very little or work on teams that are small and don’t implement it right. Id rather use a different system if I was working in any other environment and I do when I work on personal projects or small volunteer teams. Mostly slack and discord.
Sure the better option is a home brew system internal to the company you work for but when our company is already using Azure and 365 the switch to teams has been a no brainer.
Thanks for an actual answer. I haven’t noticed anything that bothers me, but others might.
You have exactly ten minutes to get the fuck out of this post
Everything. From UI to server. Including Forms and stream. They all suck hard.
Everytime I open teams, I am greeted with “You need to login again to continue” button, which doesn’t even work.
That sounds like your workplaces network issue, not teams. The only time I have to relogin is after I leave the VPN’d wifi of the office building. But the button works
my org’s Teams is accessible from outside the network, so I guess it’s impossible
Most likely their Firefox support is horrible
Nope, that problem happens on Edge too.
Ew dude, gross
I’m so sorry for you, hope you get all the help you need.
Nothing about it is fine
Found the NSA plant 🕵🏼♂️
Slack is way, way, way better in almost every conceivable way.
First of every month we start new exel books. Simple set up, 1 page per day, 1 per book, 1 year per folder.
So lets say my first day if the month is the third. I come in, open edge, teams etc etc. thrn i have open the new exel files. So what do i do, do i search spot pick up jan. Nope that obly shows files from years ago. Do search for 2025? Nope that won’t up the January spot pick 2025 file. I have yo click through the whole dam file system in teams. Why cant search work!
Good we don’t use for anything else.
Navigate through the documents by going to the sharepoint site for the teams group. Much much easier, and better search functionality.
I have no earthly idea why Teams itself doesn’t just send you there and insists on having its own shitty file browsing UI.
Chat and video calling is fine. Everything else is hot steaming garbage.
What else would you want to use something like teams for??
Group task planner, shared calendar, shitty wiki functionality, shitty file sharing with multi user real time collaboration and revision history… which works infinitely better if you go through the underlying sharepoint site for the group instead of the batshit Teams UI.
I’ve used it here and there but my job isn’t dependent on it. I have no issues with it. 🤷
Are you the project’s lead developer or something?
No, just wondering what all the negativity is about.
It’s just the hive mind of people unable to think for themselves. It works perfectly fine for organising communication and files within projects, but it’s MS so everyone must hate it such is the law of these people.
They hated him because he spoke the truth.
Yeah slack is better, but teams isn’t exactly bad.
Tin cans with string is better
Your funeral…
Both are shit as they are corpo proprietary applications.
Especially the mobile app, fucking trash
Written by someone who has no idea how software gets made.
Teams or the meme?
Lol. Yes.
