How’s that incrementalism working out for you? Your party implied that small baby steps would march to the left, your party is barely to the left of trump. You were advocating and pushing for your own country’s shift to the right and further and deeper into fascist authoritarianism. Your party has shifted from people that are building houses for the homeless around the world to embracing cops and zionists on their party stage while blowing Republican dog whistles. Hoping to get the Republican vote while welcoming war criminals with open arms into the party
You’re a coward because you don’t take responsibility for your actions. You’re a liar who says they don’t support or defend the democratic party when you support and defend them in the only way they care about.
And now I can say you’re an idiot because of this tepid, rote reply. Le epic internet insult argument. Smarm smirk smarm.
You seriously don’t understand that you can vote for a party because it is the closest thing that can win to what you want without belonging to the party?
It’s real easy to rag on others for trying something practical when the shit you do has zero chance of succeeding, I guess.
Do you know what an observed probability is? The chances of the shit you call practical ‘working’ is zero out of one.
You supported a genocide. You are a nazi. If you want to talk about how close that is to what you want, I have no patience to listen to it. Fuck you, nazi.
Don’t confuse refusing to vote for a party that does not represent the working class as apathy. That’s like telling a Democrat they’re apathetic because they won’t vote for a Republican
When the options are “capitalist party that will kill more people” and “capitalist party that will kill fewer people,” the answer is obvious
You could not vote, or you could vote third party, but when 97% of the country agrees that one of these two capitalists is gonna win, you have to try and make sure that the less evil one does
This comment thread was a massive waste of time. I’ll sum it up: AntiOutsideAktion believes that trying to mitigate harm makes one complicit in it, and I think that calling people nazis for trying to mitigate harm is stupid. I offered paragraphs and paragraphs of reasoning for my position, and AntiOutsideAktion offered literally nothing
What actions are you judging me by? The only thing I’ve done is vote for Harris.
A third party was never going to win 2024, and there is no number of absurd accusations you can throw out on the world’s most obscure social network to change that. The average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. I would love for a third party to be a realistic option, but when polling indicates they’ll account for approximately 1% of the vote, I’m going to act accordingly. When you got to the polling place, you had to think of the possible outcomes of your vote. You knew that a third party would not win. If you voted for one, you have done the same thing as not vote at all, because again, the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. The choice was between Trump and Harris, and you decided that you’d rather let Trump win than vote for Harris.
I know you communists hate the trolley problem, but it really is analogous here. You’re sitting there drawing a new track with crayons and pretending to try and save all the people tied to the tracks, while the grownups are trying to pull the lever to actually reduce the amount of harm done. Then you call us fucking nazis for not playing make-believe alongside you.
I don’t think you’re sincere. I think you’re lashing out because over the last few months, you’ve seen just how bad a Trump presidency is going to be, and you want desperately to believe that Harris would have been just as bad.
Can you explain how trying to prevent an ongoing genocide from expanding makes me a nazi? Can you expound on how a vote is the same thing as explicit and material support for the worst aspects of a politician? Can you acknowledge that the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats, and so the only possible winners of this election were Trump or Harris? Can you acknowledge that my position, that one should cast their vote in a way that is most likely to do the least harm, is valid?
Can you offer any actual rebuttals if you disagree with me?
Of course, you can’t. I’m pretty sure you’re a literal bot, trained to just call people nazis. I hope you’re not a real person, because it must be a sad existence if you are
Can you explain how trying to prevent an ongoing genocide from expanding makes me a nazi?
Acting like words have no meaning and that they are simply your playthings that your opponent must take seriously is classic nazi shit. You voted for limitless unconditional support for genocide. That’s what your candidate stood for. That’s what your party did. Anything else out of your mouth is a fucking lie.
I really don’t care if some communist thinks I support genocide. I don’t, but go ahead and think that I do. But are you really gonna condemn me for trying to save some lives? I could have bitched and moaned and joined the 3% who voted third party or the 40% who didn’t vote at all, but I’m not so naive as to think that would help anything
Edit: I decided there was a better way to respond to the comment, and my edit went through after they replied. My original comment read
Do you think Palestinians will fare better under Trump than they would have under Harris?
If you see an ongoing genocide, and decide that you would rather see it get worse than try to mitigate it, you also condone that genocide. The difference between us is that I want fewer people dead, and you apparently want more
I wanted none, which is why I was not willing to support the ones that was actively allowing them to get killed. Democrats were terrified of what Trump *might *do while having their head up their ass with what their party was actually doing.
I wanted none too, but we both know that wasn’t an option. The choice was between more or less, and you thought “eh, we can’t have none, so either works for me.” You may pretend to have very strong feelings about it, but unless you’re planning on doing something really based within the next couple days, strong feelings are indistinguishable from apathy.
Democrats were terrified of what Trump *might *do while having their head up their ass with what their party was actually doing.
Again I ask the question I’ve asked so many times since november: do you actually think the Palestinian people will fare better under Trump than they would have under Harris?
Are you seriously in a communist space advocating a vote for capitalist parties?
Do you really think acceleratioism is not the dumbest fucking idea?
How’s that incrementalism working out for you? Your party implied that small baby steps would march to the left, your party is barely to the left of trump. You were advocating and pushing for your own country’s shift to the right and further and deeper into fascist authoritarianism. Your party has shifted from people that are building houses for the homeless around the world to embracing cops and zionists on their party stage while blowing Republican dog whistles. Hoping to get the Republican vote while welcoming war criminals with open arms into the party
First: not my party
Second, how’s your apathy/voting for a third party in a system where that literally hurts your own goals working for you?
Coward. Liar.
Not too bright are you? Nuance seems to not be your strong suit.
You’re a coward because you don’t take responsibility for your actions. You’re a liar who says they don’t support or defend the democratic party when you support and defend them in the only way they care about.
And now I can say you’re an idiot because of this tepid, rote reply. Le epic internet insult argument. Smarm smirk smarm.
You seriously don’t understand that you can vote for a party because it is the closest thing that can win to what you want without belonging to the party?
It’s real easy to rag on others for trying something practical when the shit you do has zero chance of succeeding, I guess.
like winning a lottery ?
Do you know what an observed probability is? The chances of the shit you call practical ‘working’ is zero out of one.
You supported a genocide. You are a nazi. If you want to talk about how close that is to what you want, I have no patience to listen to it. Fuck you, nazi.
Buddy you entered this conversion with two one word sentences. At least your username checks out, you’re certainly staying inside your glass house.
Don’t confuse refusing to vote for a party that does not represent the working class as apathy. That’s like telling a Democrat they’re apathetic because they won’t vote for a Republican
When the options are “capitalist party that will kill more people” and “capitalist party that will kill fewer people,” the answer is obvious
You could not vote, or you could vote third party, but when 97% of the country agrees that one of these two capitalists is gonna win, you have to try and make sure that the less evil one does
You sold your soul to vote for a genocide and you didn’t even win. You are not less evil. Doesn’t matter who you’re comparing yourself to.
After all the Palestinians are wiped out, I hope you rest easy knowing you didn’t even try to save some of them
The dnc as a party weren’t interested in saving any of them. They’re still in 100% genocide denial. Their own party denied ceasefires.
You hope the Palestinians are wiped out so you can be smug about it.
You hope Donald Trump gets a third term to stick it to the Dems.
It’s fun making shit up about other people
You tried to save them by supporting the person exterminating them?
If you’re being sincere right now, you’re the biggest fucking fool on the planet.
I don’t think you’re being sincere. I have your actions to judge you by. I think you’re a nazi.
This comment thread was a massive waste of time. I’ll sum it up: AntiOutsideAktion believes that trying to mitigate harm makes one complicit in it, and I think that calling people nazis for trying to mitigate harm is stupid. I offered paragraphs and paragraphs of reasoning for my position, and AntiOutsideAktion offered literally nothing
What actions are you judging me by? The only thing I’ve done is vote for Harris.
A third party was never going to win 2024, and there is no number of absurd accusations you can throw out on the world’s most obscure social network to change that. The average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. I would love for a third party to be a realistic option, but when polling indicates they’ll account for approximately 1% of the vote, I’m going to act accordingly. When you got to the polling place, you had to think of the possible outcomes of your vote. You knew that a third party would not win. If you voted for one, you have done the same thing as not vote at all, because again, the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats. The choice was between Trump and Harris, and you decided that you’d rather let Trump win than vote for Harris.
I know you communists hate the trolley problem, but it really is analogous here. You’re sitting there drawing a new track with crayons and pretending to try and save all the people tied to the tracks, while the grownups are trying to pull the lever to actually reduce the amount of harm done. Then you call us fucking nazis for not playing make-believe alongside you.
I don’t think you’re sincere. I think you’re lashing out because over the last few months, you’ve seen just how bad a Trump presidency is going to be, and you want desperately to believe that Harris would have been just as bad.
Right. You’re a nazi. You explicitly and materially support a genocide. You’re fucking scum.
Can you explain how trying to prevent an ongoing genocide from expanding makes me a nazi? Can you expound on how a vote is the same thing as explicit and material support for the worst aspects of a politician? Can you acknowledge that the average American likes the Republicans or the Democrats, and so the only possible winners of this election were Trump or Harris? Can you acknowledge that my position, that one should cast their vote in a way that is most likely to do the least harm, is valid?
Can you offer any actual rebuttals if you disagree with me?
Of course, you can’t. I’m pretty sure you’re a literal bot, trained to just call people nazis. I hope you’re not a real person, because it must be a sad existence if you are
Acting like words have no meaning and that they are simply your playthings that your opponent must take seriously is classic nazi shit. You voted for limitless unconditional support for genocide. That’s what your candidate stood for. That’s what your party did. Anything else out of your mouth is a fucking lie.
Your party wouldn’t even acknowledge that a genocide was occurring.
Lesser evil is bullshit that liberals tell themselves because they know what they support is evil. There is no lesser evil.
And by all measures the party that you’re saying is killing lesser people helped kill an absolute shit ton of Palestinians the last 2 years.
I really don’t care if some communist thinks I support genocide. I don’t, but go ahead and think that I do. But are you really gonna condemn me for trying to save some lives? I could have bitched and moaned and joined the 3% who voted third party or the 40% who didn’t vote at all, but I’m not so naive as to think that would help anything
Edit: I decided there was a better way to respond to the comment, and my edit went through after they replied. My original comment read
If you voted for people that was funding and condoning genocide, you also condone that genocide.
If you see an ongoing genocide, and decide that you would rather see it get worse than try to mitigate it, you also condone that genocide. The difference between us is that I want fewer people dead, and you apparently want more
I wanted none, which is why I was not willing to support the ones that was actively allowing them to get killed. Democrats were terrified of what Trump *might *do while having their head up their ass with what their party was actually doing.
I wanted none too, but we both know that wasn’t an option. The choice was between more or less, and you thought “eh, we can’t have none, so either works for me.” You may pretend to have very strong feelings about it, but unless you’re planning on doing something really based within the next couple days, strong feelings are indistinguishable from apathy.
Again I ask the question I’ve asked so many times since november: do you actually think the Palestinian people will fare better under Trump than they would have under Harris?
That question is pure speculation. What we do know is Harris saw them as acceptable deaths to achieve whatever end game Netanyahu wanted.
Maybe not, but then again, today is the wrong day to be pushing that line lol.